The great Man of Steel debate. Joined by Carmen the guys fight over the most iconic superhero of them all.

You can follow Carmen on Twitter @CarmenTS

SHOW NOTES

• Problems with Superman, comics and other media
• Man of Steel flaws
• The level of destruction and Michael Bay – Ben
• Nolan and Snyder collaboration is weird – Addy
• Problems with Nolan Batman – Addy
• Interesting themes in Man of Steel that went nowhere – Addy
• Zod’s motivations are questionable – Carmen
• Krypton opening and Jor-El scientific Badass?
• Pa Kent Problems
• Flashbacks and Poor Editing - Addy
• Ben defends Pa Kent
• Ben talks about Clark’s internal conflict
• Addy’s problems with Superman’s Savior Complex and Immigrant Status
• Addy’s suggestion for good Superman stories, focus on the villains
• Lois the Plot Device
• The fights make no sense – Ben
• Lois as part of the love triangle
• Batman vs Superman expectations
• DC Cartoon Universe
• DC Movie Universe

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