Another Pass at Power Rangers (2017)

On this episode, Case and Sam need a power and a force that you've never seen before (Nic Woolfe), as well as someone with the ability to morph to even up the score (Matty Limerick). Together, no one could ever take them down, since the power lies on their side as they Go Go on Power Rangers (2017)!

Transcript

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00:00
Matty Limerick
Now, Sam. Were you a Power Rangers kid growing up?

00:03
Sam Alicea
I was, yeah.

00:04
Matty Limerick
Okay, great.

00:05
Sam Alicea
Yeah. Lots of Power Rangers.

00:08
Nic Woolfe
I don't know if you can tell.

00:09
Sam Alicea
But I spent this morning obviously not a fan. Obviously just a couple collectibles.

00:15
Matty Limerick
Yeah, it's fine. Just a couple? Just a couple. Yeah.

00:20
Nic Woolfe
I should hit record. Welcome to Certain POV's, another Pass podcast with Case and Sam, where we take another look at movies that we find fascinating but flawed. Let's see how we could have fixed them.

00:39
Case Aiken
Hey, everyone, and welcome back to the Another Pass podcast. I'm case Aiken. And, as always, I'm joined by my Elise.

00:45
Sam Alicea
Hi.

00:47
Case Aiken
And Sam, do you know what time it is?

00:49
Sam Alicea
It's Morphin time.

00:50
Case Aiken
It is Morphin time. So we are today talking about the 2017 Power Rangers reboot. And for that conversation, we are joined by Nick Wolf.

01:01
Nic Woolfe
I'm so excited, Case, that I found an Ernie's Gym and Juice Bar shirt online and bought it to make sure I could wear it for this audio only medium that is more phenomenal y'all.

01:14
Sam Alicea
It is really good looking. I wish you could see it, but it's beautiful. It's beautiful.

01:19
Nic Woolfe
I'll probably post it on Instagram, but.

01:21
Case Aiken
In addition to Nick, we also have Maddie Lemrick because obviously we're talking about Power Rangers.

01:27
Matty Limerick
Yeah, I've never heard of them, Case, but thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

01:32
Case Aiken
I'm glad to finally be talking about this movie. It's been a while since it first came out. We did a review of it on Certain Point of View for that screening. We actually did, like, a pre show and then post show conversation with me and Addie, and at the time, I wasn't sure if this would ever be a movie that I felt ready to talk about, and having some distances has.

01:50
Nic Woolfe
Sort of helped that.

01:51
Case Aiken
But what were saying before we got started is that I liked this movie fine, but I thought it was like, a bit generic when it first came out, and coming away from it, I actually like it more. Although my complaints, I think, have remained. I think it doesn't quite know what it wants to be, and I think that it's certainly taking advantage of the assets that were available in specifically 2017. It's the type of movie where the After Effects templates have already been set up and they're like, oh, cool, we can use those ones and we can run these things. But I'm curious. What is everyone's association with Power Rangers? Maddie, you and I have talked a lot about Power Rangers on this call, so since we haven't with Sam and Nick yet, let's start with them.

02:29
Case Aiken
Nick, you're the one who brought this to the table, so let's start with you. What's your association with Power Rangers?

02:34
Nic Woolfe
I was born in 92 and Power Rangers came out a year later. Enough said. I think Power Rangers was only second to Star Wars. As far as franchises that have warmed their way into my heart and stuck with me through my adult years. Power Rangers a little bit more than Star Wars these days, but still, I remember watching it from Mighty Morphin to In Space. And then I tried watching Lost Galaxy. I think I gave up midway through the Lights of Orion Arc, came back for light speed, and then I watched a bit of Time Force before quitting again because I wasn't having fun with the toys. Which isn't too much of a surprise, because the Sentides, based on Time Ranger, had some of the lowest toy sales for that season. So I get it.

03:25
Nic Woolfe
But then what really got me back into Power Rangers was Linkara in history of Power Rangers series, which is like, oh, I never thought about this way before. And it wasn't until 2021, where I discovered a Power Ranger watch along podcast. It's been going since 2015. Called the Morphing Grid by Jake Mason and Josh Nichols. So I just made it my duty to watch from Turbo up to then current, which was SPD. And I played through those seasons in like a week. I already did Mighty Morphin through Zeo in 2015. I need to take my time before I go back into that well. But it's been a whole lot of fun. We're up to Overdrive right now, which.

04:09
Matty Limerick
Oh, I'm sorry.

04:11
Nic Woolfe
Oh, don't be. I'm actually not on the hate wagon as most other people are with Overdrive. My theory is that Overdrive came out a time when hypercritical opinions on the Internet were huge. Like one year before we had Anchor video game take off. And then 2008, one year later, is the rise of Nostalgia Critic and Channel awesome. I don't know. I'm not hating myself watching the series currently.

04:41
Case Aiken
Yeah, I mean, Overdrive is just also, like it's nested in a pretty strong selection of seasons. So the fact that it's probably the least compared to SPD is really good. Ninja storm. RP is really good.

04:52
Nic Woolfe
I was honestly more annoyed with Mystic Force than Overdrive, and some people are.

04:58
Matty Limerick
That's a whole other podcast episode, then, that we have to have.

05:03
Nic Woolfe
We'll talk about it.

05:04
Case Aiken
But suffice it to say, there is something to love in every Power Rangers, though, because Operation Overdrive did have the Once a Ranger crossover, which, while I don't think they did enough with it, is the only time we've ever had a team assembled of Rangers from different eras. So there's cool stuff going on even in the seasons that people have problems with, even Turbo, which is where I initially jumped off. There's a lot to really like when I went back and rewatched it. There's good stuff in every iteration of Power Rangers, which also holds true for this movie.

05:32
Nic Woolfe
During the past month, while I was trying to come up with my pitch, I used my 30 day comixology trial to read through most of the comics, which I bought some and Also Because YouTube Is Now Rereleasing The Series In Like Five Episodes, Six Episode Batches. I watched all of Rpm to make sure it still held up. I didn't like it just because I was turning 18 at the time and thought, OOH, this is kind of edgy. No. Rpm still holds up for the most part.

06:02
Case Aiken
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Rpm slaps like Whoa. So it's safe to say, though, you are a Power Rangers fan.

06:08
Nic Woolfe
Who.

06:08
Sam Alicea
Yeah. More than safe to say is versed.

06:11
Case Aiken
In the franchise as a whole. Because there is a lot going on with the franchise. Like you brought up toys, which I think is important for us to have any conversation about Power Rangers. We've talked about the longevity of the programming. The fact that it started before you were really able to absorb media and it has persisted is a really cool spot. So you're coming with a wealth of knowledge.

06:29
Nic Woolfe
My brother was also born in 1990, so that also helped because the toys probably went to him first and then to me. Oh.

06:37
Case Aiken
In addition, you've got the older sibling with the fan kind of thing going on, which can really reinforce fandom.

06:43
Nic Woolfe
Sam.

06:43
Case Aiken
How about you? What's your association with Power Rangers?

06:45
Sam Alicea
Yeah. So it's going to be a lot less extensive. It's going to be just the original series because I was like about well, I'm older, so I was about like maybe eleven when it started airing. And it was just on every afternoon when I was at my grandmother's house. And it was really fun. I actually come from a family that does martial arts. And so automatically, that was something that I was totally into. And the putties were funny. And I actually did not watch this movie as one of the people that abstained from watching this movie because I just was so upset about the Rita design that I could not bring myself to go to see this film. However, watching it, I have to say that I did the film a disservice because I did enjoy it.

07:31
Sam Alicea
And I'm kind of sad that I missed out on the opportunity, even though Rita is not what I wanted to be, which I was a little sad because it's Elizabeth Banks and I think she's the bee's knees and I love her. But we can get into it. When we get into it.

07:45
Case Aiken
We'll get into it. I'm excited because I have a note that literally just is elizabeth Banks is inspired.

07:50
Sam Alicea
Listen, she's not bad. She's not bad in this. She's not bad in anything she does. I will die on that hill. People can attack me on that hill. I love Elizabeth Banks. She is the bee's knees. She's the best thing since sliced bread. However, that costume, the design? I don't know. I'm not feeling it. I'm not feeling it for not I'm drawing the line in the sand. I see Maddie kind of moving around.

08:16
Matty Limerick
As a costume designer and an avid nerd. I think we're going to have a conversation on this, which is but again, I always like to go in and be like, I was not in the room when the decisions were made. It's none of my business ultimately, but discussing what is an effective versus not effective creative choice for me is always something I enjoy, especially with science fiction, which I think a lot of my comments have to do with the design overall. So I think that will be a large section of where we fantastic, I'm ready.

08:45
Case Aiken
I don't think we need to go too deep into Maddie and my own love. If anyone needs to go check out the episode that we did on the original Power Rangers movie wherein we spent our entire post credits going season by season discussing every single season of Power Rangers at that point.

08:57
Matty Limerick
And that's why it's a three hour f****** I always forget that it's a three hour episode.

09:02
Case Aiken
It's a 1 hour episode with a two hour post credit.

09:06
Matty Limerick
And then we've talked twice on my show about it.

09:09
Nic Woolfe
I relistened to that episode actually this morning while I was rearranging it's one and a half hours with a half hour post credit.

09:19
Case Aiken
Okay, I'm sure it was longer because.

09:21
Matty Limerick
I think we recorded for 4 hours.

09:23
Case Aiken
So I'm sure I cut that thing down like crazy on that one. But either way, we have had plenty of fun conversations about Power Rangers in general. I will say at the moment I had tuned back in for a good chunk of the neo Saban era and then Ninja Steel came out and that I haven't had a chance to really catch up with stuff after that because Ninja Steel made me take a pause. But I still love the franchise. And the franchise I think is way more interesting than people give it credit for. The fact that it is still going is f****** mind blowing. Every year it just is more and more insane that it's like, oh, it's still happening.

10:00
Matty Limerick
I think we're at peak insanity right now, which I'm sure will get brought up at some point. But I think we're about to see a renaissance. I don't want to speak out of turn, I don't want to speak ahead of time. I think we're about to see some renaissance of Power Rangers coming in this new Netflix era, but I am excited to see what happens.

10:16
Case Aiken
Yeah, fun franchise that people keep doing stuff with is the coolest part about it. And of course, Power Rangers is not an entity unto itself. First of all, it's an adaptation of the Super Sentai from Japan. And there's all the stuff that goes into that you can take it all the way back to Japanese supaida man if you want. But the point is it's a franchise that keeps going and the American iteration has kept going as well. But there's always this nostalgia for that original season of Power Rangers. It was such a phenomenon just nationwide. People were so into it. It inspired movies. It inspired f****** jingle all the way. It inspired all kinds of things. And like I said, it keeps going and people keep having callbacks to it.

10:57
Nic Woolfe
You can still buy the toys that.

10:58
Case Aiken
Were sold in association with the season from 1993. Like classic megazord stuff, classic Power Rangers stuff. Things that were changed by the time you get to season two, people still are really invested in. And so it makes sense that the idea was let's reboot that they tried kind of before when they did that off season of Power Rangers where they just re edited season one with additional inserts.

11:21
Matty Limerick
F****** Disney.

11:22
Case Aiken
And then they've also done the comics which are all around the same cast of characters at the same period. But this movie is a full reboot. But it's taking the original premise and updating it for now. And I overall like it, the movie is not a success. The movie cost $100 million to make and they brought in 142. And with Hollywood math, you always doubled the quote unquote budget to account for any sort of marketing and promotions and everything else. So they claim that they lost $70 million. Yeah, I believe it. This movie was PG 13 and this movie should not have been PG 13 is my big take on this one. It either should have been PG so you could get kids in the audience or leaned more into the PG 13 or gone full R and really gone for it.

12:03
Case Aiken
If you wanted to go that way, which I don't think is the right choice, but I think the choice to have a movie where very quickly characters are saying like we'll kill you. Or where they grab lead pipes to beat someone to death. Just all these moments of like, oh, you're pushing it too far. Like you're going a little too hard. The aesthetics are a little too dark for what is ostensibly a kids movie.

12:21
Sam Alicea
Yeah, it's also very interesting because there's like this weird there are moments where you get glimpses of the original series, which was very silly. Right. The putties were very silly. They were very silly. And you'll get them punting someone to the air and then being like, oh, kind of thing. And you'll get like a moment where it's like, oh, that's the original series. And now, granted, there's been a lot of Power Rangers, right. And so this movie has to trying to grasp all those fandoms, which I think is part of the issue here, right. It's like trying to please all the people all at once, like, oh, here's a little bit of your era, this era and this era.

12:57
Sam Alicea
But it just feels so weird to have that moment of silliness in a movie where someone grabs a lead pipe or where one of the characters actually dies and is resurrected. And it's weird there's like tonal shifts all over the place. There's also abrupt shifts between scenes, like in the middle of it that we're kind of like I was like, wait, where are we? I would rewind a little bit because were like, there was a moment where Billy, he's finding the stone and he basically goes to the Krispy Kreme and then they cut to a funeral scene right away. And there is, like, the audio, but my brain was like, whoa, whoa. What just happened was I not paying attention because I have Add. So I thought I had trailed off, but I had not. That was just an abrupt switch.

13:44
Sam Alicea
There's a lot of that in this movie. It's like they were trying to do too much.

13:47
Case Aiken
Yeah, I think that was for time. Like, this movie is 124 minutes. It's pretty long.

13:52
Matty Limerick
Too g****** for what it is.

13:54
Case Aiken
And I definitely have some thoughts about how it could be not that long because it's too long for a kids team movie. And again, I think this movie should have been leaning more towards a PG kind of crowd there. Speaking of just, like, missing details, did any of you have trouble tracking Becky G versus Naomi Scott? Like, every now and then a scene would start and because the movie is fairly dark, there'd be moments where I'm like, wait, which girl is seen?

14:17
Sam Alicea
You might just have face blindness.

14:21
Matty Limerick
Well, they're also very different shaped. And Becky G is so much shorter than also A, there is a lot of dark hair in this movie. That is the one thing where everybody has dark hair except Darcy. So that is a thing. It is very dark. That wasn't specifically one of my things, where I was like, oh, I'm confused as to who's actually in the scene. There are some scenes where I went, are there actually people in the scene? Or do we have voiceover right now? Was stuff handled in ADR. But that's also just because I think they were doing that thing where it's like, oh, we want to give some impendingness so we're just going to give everything a dark tone to it, even visual and script wise. But a lot of the visuals are dark because they had to happen at nighttime.

15:04
Matty Limerick
But it's the suspension of disbelief in film that they all now want this very realistic idea of what nighttime looks like. And that's not why we go to film. It's that thing of like, in theater, the moon isn't blue, but in theater the moon is blue. And you use blue light to recreate moonlight because that is expected and it's what shows up. That wasn't necessarily what I had issues with.

15:28
Case Aiken
Well, it wouldn't be like once the scene started, but it would take a second to establish. Like when Trini gets attacked by Rita in her room, even though this was my second time seeing it, like the start of the actual assault, I was like, Wait, which girl?

15:39
Nic Woolfe
Oh, okay.

15:40
Case Aiken
Wait, it's those every single time, there was, like, a pause of, Wait, which one? Oh, and again, most of that was because it was just so dark at all these spots.

15:49
Sam Alicea
Yeah, there were a lot of dark spots. I think the only time I was kind of confused was when you are first introduced to Trini and she's doing a yoga stance on the mountain. And I think that's just because I'm only seeing her from behind and she has the same kind of loose waves done into her hair know, Naomi's character. And so I'm just like, Wait, is that like and then you see Kim jump into water somewhere else, and I'm like, how did she get there? And then I realized later on, because then they show me the face of a totally different girl, I was like, oh, okay, it's a different girl. But it's mostly because their hairstyle is so specifically similar.

16:31
Matty Limerick
Well, it's also because we get a really solid intro to Billy, Jason, and Kimberly, and then we get really questionable intros to Trini. And like yes, that also makes like.

16:43
Case Aiken
That'S the thing with when what you're talking about right there is that we haven't met this person before. And then we get a shot of her and then we immediately cut to a scene with Kim, and it's all in this dark f****** light.

16:53
Matty Limerick
And we had weird hot guy on top of a circus train caboose.

16:57
Case Aiken
Like, weird hot guy who's a decade older than all of them.

17:00
Matty Limerick
And I don't want to be an a******, but he did not understand the assignment. I just want to say, like, when it comes to performance, he also didn't have a ton of experience in this kind of thing. So it's one of those things. It's like it's not necessarily his fault, but when it comes to all of them together, you feel like they're pulling Black Ranger along behind everybody else, which is why a lot of the scenes I go, Oop, I'm out. Oop, I'm out. Oop, I'm out.

17:23
Case Aiken
Yeah. So why don't we start talking about the recast? Think this is I have the same basic note about Zach, who's played ludilin. It didn't feel like the character was really well written as anything. There's a whole like oh, I'm crazy. And then I also love my mom, and I like the mom stuff. I thought that was actually really good. Yes, but his persona around the friends in general, it just didn't fit in. And being an outsider could be fine if that was, like, an arc for him, but they're all outsiders to each other. Like, none of them are friends already. So, like, well, what's so different about this one? Oh, he doesn't even go to school.

18:01
Case Aiken
Which could also have been interesting if that was, like, a thing that they were building on, where it's like, well, the actor is ten years older than the rest of them. Maybe he's actually ten years older than the rest of them. You could do that if you wanted to, but he's severely underwritten.

18:12
Sam Alicea
But I think that one of the things is, like, overall, they're trying to do so much, right? They're trying to rebuild an entire world, make everybody happy, and try to give each and every one of them backstories to the point that these two Rangers, the Black and the Yellow Rangers, their backstories are very diluted and confusing. Right. The mom stuff is good because you Get, like, an Actual hold on it and you only really get a hold on the Black Ranger at the point that he's expressing what he's going through with his mom, because all you see is, like, a bunch of pills and A cup and going to his mom and that Kind Of thing before that. But even like Trini's story, I'm not sure what is happening with her.

18:55
Sam Alicea
She possibly did drugs when she hung out with people because her mom really she may be LGBTQ, who knows? There's so much that's just questioned about that. She doesn't fit in with how her parents want her. But we never really get real answers and there's not time for it because there's already too much happening in this film for us to get time with. So these two characters, they're just floating in the air. Like they're there, they're interacting, but they're more devices to move certain plot points along than they are characters.

19:32
Matty Limerick
I think you can also tell that John Gattons, who's the writer all of the movies that he loves, also that he was like 48 years old writing this movie, which, again, isn't inherently bad. We do have older Power Rangers fans because he and Dean Israelite had familiarity with the franchise. Dean Israelite was a fan. But you can just tell that I was like, from the beginning, I went, oh, I forgot that this is a science fiction Breakfast Club. Like, I forgot that is the linchpin of this movie. Also, I think from the beginning, they want us to sympathize and put ourselves into Jason, and he's so unrelatable.

20:07
Matty Limerick
And Kimberly Hart being an actual b****, like, being an evil girl who is now having to repent for her actions was such a strange choice for this to then also be like, oh, Billy's the weird autistic kid who's, like, still mourning over the death of his dad. That one feels the most strangely natural to me because it has to be the most natural because he's how they discover the coins.

20:31
Case Aiken
Yeah, I think that the device of it being the Breakfast Club thing is interesting. And it would have been a really good excuse to get them all together very quickly. The fact that they don't when they all arrive at the quarry together and they didn't all come together, that's where it's starting to get weird when you already had this inserted element that isn't a thing from the show and is honestly from the wrong decade. It's weird. You should have just had Zach and Trini also with because at the end.

20:55
Sam Alicea
Of the movie, they're in detention. Like, they did something bad to be in detention with everyone else. What the what's this world coming to when your heroes do bad things to just end up in detention?

21:08
Case Aiken
Well, but especially because that would have been the shorthand for it, because they all have their reasons for why they would have been in that detention. Like, Trini apparently has history of drug abuse and her parents don't trust her or anything like that. So I could absolutely imagine her being in some sort of Saturday program and Zach doesn't f****** show up for school. And that's like a thing that happens throughout the whole element. So you could have used that as a we're all in the room together. Oh, we have to work on an assignment together. And that's how you get them to bond quickly and get the surface notes for each of them so that we can then have more exploration later that they don't. So you end up with two that are kind of mysteries.

21:40
Sam Alicea
Yeah.

21:41
Nic Woolfe
Let's move to Billy for a second.

21:42
Case Aiken
Because I really like Billy. I think we all yeah.

21:45
Matty Limerick
RJ is the standout of the five agree?

21:47
Case Aiken
Oh, yeah, he just got it.

21:49
Matty Limerick
He really got it. And he's having fun with it. Like, you can tell him and Elizabeth and Bill hader all were having fun with what they were doing and they understood that there's still going to be some sort of camp to this, whether there was meant to be or not. Because Power Rangers is inherently camp and they kind of understood that. And he's so much fun. And I also love his mom just being like, Jason Scott is here, she's lovely. Just because I feel the two of them tied together. And I think he did a nice job of not pandering to the idea of what he thought autism was. Like, he was trying to be as truthful and earnest as he could. I mean, as somebody who's not on the spectrum officially, it's not my place, but it felt natural.

22:30
Matty Limerick
It didn't feel like he was pandering like some of the other characters were.

22:33
Case Aiken
Yeah, I think it was an interesting balance to strike. There has been a lot of conversation about how the archetypal nerdy stereotype of past media often is related to characters on the spectrum and that is just a lack of understanding culturally that we would pigeonhole them as like, oh, they're the nerds. And so it's interesting to explore that here. I think they do a pretty good job of having it not feel like overwhelming message or anything to that effect going on with it. And he's fun, he's nice, and you can understand why everyone likes him and why when he is the one who they potentially lose, why they're all upset and why he's the unifying factor.

23:10
Case Aiken
Like, I think it's really good, and it's working with the template of Billy Cranston from the TV show where you had probably the biggest, strongest person on the team was the one playing the nerd and having to make that all work side by sides of David Yost and Jason, David Frank. And you look at their biceps next to each other and you're like, oh, weird.

23:30
Nic Woolfe
Yeah. So as someone who has had a history of ping ponging around the spectrum and I'm tired of being bounced around and telling me why I'm a liability to those who love me. Just watching Billy be super charming and just watching him be the cool guy. Love it.

23:50
Sam Alicea
Yeah. And being accepted. I think what's nice about the writing of him is he just kind of like, lays it out. He's like, oh, yeah, I have autism. And then he's like, what was the joke? He's like, yeah, I didn't get it. He's so straightforward. It's a character that is very self possessed. He explained this is what it is. Okay, I didn't get that. Yes. DA DA. And then he's the heart of the movie. He's so sweet and he's so kind. And I think universally, he's like the character that people actually do relate to. I think that he's actually the character that you're rooting for everyone else you're like. And that's why the team actually comes together when he goes, because he's the only one that they know that we all like for sure.

24:32
Matty Limerick
I think it's interesting just kind of looking at who all these actors are now. Like, everybody now knows Darcy from Stranger Things, where he gave an absolute star turn as Billy. Absolute fantastic performance. Naomi Scott and Becky G were both Disney Channel kids. They had the largest resumes. They'd been working the longest, largest resumes I used when air quotes. But I think it's interesting that for a movie about the five Rangers, all of their star power went to their adult alien roles. Bill hader Brian Krinston and Elizabeth Banks. I thought it was interesting that this was the first big thing that wasn't like kids TV for all of them.

25:11
Case Aiken
Pretty much this adaptation of kids TV.

25:14
Matty Limerick
But it's one of those things to then make it not kids TV. I think they were trying to keep a casting budget low because this is post Breaking Bad. Elizabeth Banks can do whatever the f*** she wants with her career at this point in Bill Hader. This is pre Barry post SNL, so I'm sure they were expensive. Because then it brings up the question is, does it matter if we know who those actors are? Is it necessarily going to bring you in to see the movie, or is it going to make you go, no, those aren't those characters?

25:38
Sam Alicea
Yeah.

25:38
Case Aiken
For the leads, I think that it didn't matter. In fact, it was good to have relatively unknowns versus, like. Brian Cranston was specifically cast because the trivia factoid that he had been a voice actor on the original show had circled around the Internet and everyone was like, oh, isn't it funny that f****** monster was voiced by the guy from Breaking Bad? So I get why they were like, all right, we're going to stunt cast Brian Cranston. Elizabeth Banks is going to be told, like, just do whatever the f*** you want. Have fun. Bill Hader, while there was buzz at the time that he was in it, I don't know if it's necessarily selling the movie on the fact that Bill Hader's in it. I think it was just like I.

26:10
Matty Limerick
Thought he was hilarious. Yeah, I think he's great.

26:12
Sam Alicea
I thought Pat and Oswald was just busy and why they casted, honestly, a thousand percent. Because actually, when he first said his first line, I thought it was Pet and Oswald. And then I was like, Wait, no, it's not. And I was like, oh, it's Bill Hader. And I feel like it's like one or the other. I feel like their voices sometimes.

26:29
Case Aiken
And Bill Hader does a great job of getting some of the some of his IIIs actually get pretty close to the TV show level. And I think they do a really good job in terms of having this compromise of the completely absurd robot from the show with a more realistic kind of design.

26:44
Matty Limerick
Well, so they did a lot to kind of make Alpha like Deca From in Space, which I liked, but also make him more Star Wars droidy, which I also appreciated because he really serves such a high function as, like, the pilot of the ship and operating system of the ship. That I did appreciate a lot. Also, just because more Alpha is always a good thing. And there was a little bit of dangerousness about Alpha, too. Like, there's just a few moments with that swirling vortex of a brain and you're like, oh, Alpha's programmed to do one thing, and that is to protect the power and protect the zeocrystal. That is Alpha's goal, which I appreciated. And Bill, if anybody's seen Barry, does nuanced danger so well, like, Bill Hader is just a really great actor.

27:27
Case Aiken
Yeah, I think he was a good choice for the character. While everyone's response when he first shows up is like, stay back or we'll kill you. That's like one of my moments of like, oh, this is too much. He was appropriate in his response, which.

27:38
Sam Alicea
Is like, how yeah, I loved that. How it was so wonderful because it's kind of cocky, but also really asking, how would you do that?

27:47
Matty Limerick
Why do we think they settled on Elizabeth Banks? Now, I'm going to preface that question with, I will see anything that she's in. Because even when it's absolute garbage, I'm looking at you pitch perfect. I will always see something that she's in because I love Zach and Mary make a p****. She really is great and I love that. She didn't give a s*** about Power Rangers, but her boys loved it. And so she was like, sure, I'll watch a little, I guess. Sure I'll do this thing. Do we think she was their first choice? Was she the pull or was she like the good comedian who they could afford at the time?

28:19
Case Aiken
I mean, I think she was good casting for the moment when this movie was being made for the type of Rita they were developing. I think that the choice to have Rita be the fallen Green Ranger is honestly a really good idea of lore updates that they're working with. This movie likes Power Rangers lore a lot. It's the thing I really appreciate about it. And so having the Green Ranger element be tied into her at least as her starting point, even if she has accrued more power, I think that's really good. And so you need an actor who can be an active physical presence on screen.

28:51
Case Aiken
And so if you're going to have a Rita, you're probably going to go with someone who is young enough that she can be convincingly doing physical stunts, even if a lot of it's CG or with a stunt double. So they needed someone who was in appropriate enough shape that they could be in a tighter uniform for that kind of a thing. And I think they needed an actor who could go pretty big on that one, who could really ham it up, and she can. So even if she wasn't the first choice, I can't imagine that she would not have been on the shortlist of who would have made a good Rita.

29:18
Matty Limerick
I would love to see the casting notes from this because this is one where no casting things have leaked. It's never been talked about, like who some of the other options were. I would love to see who else was on that list just to see what camp they were in. Because this isn't really a pitch thing. This was just if Rita was different and she wasn't being the physical one, because this something I did appreciate was the fact that it's Rita and then all of her magic. Power is what makes the putties in Goldar. And we don't need a Finster, we don't need a baboo, we don't need all those. And Goldar isn't really sentient. If were going another way and they really wanted to pull in like, oh, let's do another thing, of a well known actor who's also been in Power Rangers.

29:55
Matty Limerick
I was like, Alex Borstein, as Areta would have been fired because that's a little closer to that classic Rita, but do it in a really sleek new thing. Also, I just think with Elizabeth, I think they decided that no matter who they had, she needed to look like Lady Gaga because she looks just like the Born this way. I also feel like they were going for Angelina Jolie, but knew they couldn't afford Angelina Jolie was just some of the design directives, I think.

30:19
Case Aiken
Well, and I just don't think Angelina Jolie would have been readable.

30:22
Matty Limerick
I agree with you. I agree. But I think they wanted something that was similar to her hard looks and like, maleficent. I think physically they wanted somebody that was as close to her but had the camp chops.

30:33
Case Aiken
Yeah, the camp is a thing. You need someone who can really bring it. So that's why I do think Elizabeth Banks is a really good choice there.

30:38
Matty Limerick
I agree 1000%. I just kind of wanted to ask but it's also because 2017 wasn't that long ago. It was only six years ago, but it feels 1000 years. And I can't even remember the other movies that came out that year that weren't Marvel movies. And I don't remember.

30:53
Case Aiken
Same year was pitch perfect.

30:55
Matty Limerick
Three.

30:56
Case Aiken
So in terms of, like, where Elizabeth Banks'career was and two years prior was Hunger Games mockingjay part two. And then she's, like, gearing up to do Charlie's Angels in two years.

31:06
Matty Limerick
Which she must have really liked working with Naomi because she cast Naomi as the thing. And I mean, I'm not going to talk s*** about people's performance, but Naomi Scott is not where it's at as a performance. I feel like we're not going to see her in much else other than some Hallmark movies. But Case also knows that I am a Kimberly Hart purist. I am a Pink Ranger where everybody else is in the Tommy camp, I am a camp. So, you know, I'm going to have an opinion about it.

31:32
Case Aiken
Well, the great shame is that they didn't use the costumes from the Pink Ranger miniseries that came out from Boom a couple of years back that everyone got powered through the Pink Ranger, but they had their own costume but with pink trim. So, like, the Black Ranger had black uniform, pink trim, and also this really cool jacket. It was like, amazing designs. I'm so mad that's just not the default power.

31:52
Sam Alicea
I actually was a little upset with this Pink Ranger costume because I felt like the pink was a little muted. Like, the red was really bright and bold, and yellow was very bold and the blue looked good, but pink kind of felt sad. It didn't feel they made her fuchsia.

32:10
Case Aiken
Yeah, she had a lot of magentas or maroons instead of pink on in various scenes. And some of that could just be color correction. But the general aesthetic was they typically wore black clothes that had color pops. Like, it would be black with red text for Jason. And Kimberly usually had a more muted one, like you said, like fuchsia. Or there was a spot where it was like, oh, that's a distinctly maroon top, right?

32:31
Sam Alicea
Yeah. But honestly, in the clothing choices, fine. Not everybody has to dress color coded. But in the like, why wouldn't I want like a fun, bright pink pop. Give it to what? Why?

32:44
Case Aiken
Well, because this is a Tarnished Pink Ranger.

32:46
Sam Alicea
Well.

32:47
Matty Limerick
Oh, God.

32:48
Case Aiken
Here's the weird thing for me, talking about Naomi Scott, so she looks at, like, a perfect update to Amy Johnson in terms of if you had told me that was her daughter playing the same role, I would have been like, yeah, okay, that makes sense. And I realized that they're not literally that close, but they're just the same type. And she was very buff for this movie, which I appreciated the shots of her breaking s*** while wearing a tank top. And you could see her guns. And it was like, oh, okay, cool. She's gotten in shape for this movie and for other stuff because she's just an actress. In terms of the look for the part, that part was solid. In terms of how we're going to write the character, oh, God. She's a cyberbully who has destroyed someone's life.

33:25
Matty Limerick
Like, whoa, that was a lot. But it is nice to see somebody being held accountable for that, but not in the correct like, because they still write it. Like, the other girls are the mean girls and Kimberly is the victim. I know how the movie is written.

33:38
Case Aiken
Doesn't their car get f***** up during the monster fight?

33:41
Matty Limerick
And she's very happy about it. And she's just like, oops, sorry. And I was like, oh, so you literally have not learned your lesson. Great.

33:48
Sam Alicea
Yeah. No, it's so weird because when you watch the first scene and she's just like, oh, my God, I'm so glad we could put this behind us. And then they're mean to her as the viewer. You want to side with her because you feel like she's being bullied and ostracized, like, off the team. And then later on you learn, oh, no, I actually did this really awful thing by basically sharing someone's nude with someone that they were not authorized to have. Like, wow, bro, that's a crime.

34:19
Matty Limerick
You can tell a man wrote the script. You can tell a man wrote the script because Jason says, oh, there's pictures of all of us just floating around school. And I was like, nope, that's not the answer. I'm sorry, BB. That is not the no.

34:29
Nic Woolfe
No.

34:30
Sam Alicea
And then he's just like, well, just own it and then be the best version of it's. Like, no. Like, bro, you should be like, that's not good. You shouldn't have done that. And he's not. It's so weird. It's such a weird take. It's like someone was like, oh, I'm going to rate it like this. So it just shows that all flood people can be redeemed or something. It's going to be a twist. She's not actually going to be the victim. And it's like, this is already a formula movie. It's okay if you just lean into the formula. It's okay if you let it be a misunderstanding. It's okay if you let the guy be the person who stole it from her phone. This is already a formula. The Power Rangers is a formula movie. Let it be a formula. Sit in the formula.

35:16
Sam Alicea
We don't need twisted terms. We don't need like an M. Night Shyamalan thing in this.

35:21
Nic Woolfe
Yeah, I listened to the audio commentary for this movie and one of the things that the director and screenwriter talked about is how they wanted to subvert more of the traditional superhero tropes and topics therein. And yeah, that was not the right choice. It's kind of like Lee's Hulk. It's trying to outsmart its genre, and you just can't do that with something so entrenched in genre.

35:52
Case Aiken
For one thing, it's a team movie. You've got five characters and you're not spending enough time with any of them anyway. This movie is too long. But also we don't get enough into some of it. But if the story was Kim learning that she not only did wrong, but that in spite of that, she can better and that there is hope for people and she has written herself off, that would be one thing, but she hasn't really written herself off. At the beginning of the movie, her cutting her hair is like, here's this defiant thing. I'm no longer going to let these people control me. But that's not what happened. We just don't have the story saying that this movie is trying to subvert tropes. I don't think this movie is subverting any tropes. I think this movie is very trope heavy.

36:32
Case Aiken
So we haven't talked yet about Jason Darcy Montgomery in real ways. Like, we mentioned his popularity from Stranger Things. I wish he was a bigger dude. Like, he doesn't look like a star football player, but aside from that, I'm okay with like I think that his speeches are pretty good. I'll be back here at four is pretty good. The moments between him and Zordon work fairly well, but where Naomi Scott looks like a perfect update of Amy Johnson austin St. John is just so f****** big. You needed a dude who looked like a brick shithouse, or you need to lean into how it's not and the fact that he's a football player. They insert that element for this movie and try to work from there.

37:07
Case Aiken
They even give the f****** dude from the office, like FAM's boyfriend or fiance in the first couple of seasons as his dad who just looks like a football dad. And that's a big story apart for him. The fact that he messed up his knee is a big thing for him and all of that. He just doesn't look like a big football player. And that's sort of like a weird dynamic there. But I like his performances overall.

37:27
Sam Alicea
Yeah. I mean, I think that's why they probably made him a quarterback, though. You don't have to be super huge when you're a quarterback.

37:32
Matty Limerick
I mean, Tom Brady's still yeah, but.

37:34
Sam Alicea
You don't have to be giant. You just have to be fast and cunning. And he was big enough. That wasn't like a make or break. Like, if you told me he was like a linebacker or something, like, I'd be like, oh my God, that guy's definitely not big. But like, quarterbacks don't need to be huge. So that wasn't a make or break for me.

37:50
Matty Limerick
I also think they probably designed the suits first, and then they knew how sleek and narrow they wanted them to be. And I feel like they probably went with body type over necessarily thinking about the character because I wanted somebody that was going to make Billy look smaller. I kind of agree with you, Case, because all of them are roughly the same size and roughly the same shape, like out of suit. That does not make for an interesting Power Rangers team in suit. We understand they're all stunt actors that are typically shorter or taller than the actual actor playing the role, which is really funny. And it's just kind of something we put up with.

38:22
Case Aiken
Yeah, well, especially with Power Rangers because it's also footage. So like, that was a big issue in the first season of Power Rangers, which is that the suit actor for Jason was like a skinny Japanese guy versus this American football player type. And it just didn't quite mesh. And then they flipped it in season two where Rocky was I did love that, though.

38:42
Sam Alicea
I thought it was hilarious.

38:43
Case Aiken
Yeah, I thought he did fine. I think that his actual performance as a leader type, I think worked really well. I don't think we actually really talked about Becky G, aside from mentioning yeah.

38:52
Sam Alicea
We just talked about how the storyline itself just kind of felt meddled. The thing is, the only real scene that we have, her character development to kind of understand her story is like one with her parents. And then when she's talking at the campfire and both of them are kind of open ended scenes. Right. So it's like her parents demanding that she share one good thing she did with them that day and her sharing the truth, which is that she has superpowers now and they don't believe her. And her mom decides that she has to pee in a cup. And so you're like, oh, I guess there was drugs involved in her past. Maybe. Possibly. Again, open ended. Right? Because we don't really know because her parents could just be crazy.

39:36
Sam Alicea
Her parents could just be crazy and demand that kind of thing of people.

39:40
Nic Woolfe
That was my read of it. Like, you're all talking about how she has a drug history. It's like, did she?

39:45
Sam Alicea
Yeah, because that's never confirmed. And then later on, she talks about how her parents are very normal people. They want a normal child that does really normal things, and they don't want to have to worry about her relationships. And it's like with your boyfriend, with your girlfriend, and you don't get answer on that either. It's just like everything's implied about the control of a home. What are you trying to say? What are you giving us, Movie? Is this our lesbian hero, or is she just like, a troubled youth? Are her parents just f****** nuts? I don't know. I don't know.

40:20
Matty Limerick
I don't think she's a particularly strong actress. I think you can tell she's trying to do her best after she's predominantly a singer. That's what she does. But coming from the Disney Channel School of Acting, which is like a long, funny joke kind of thing, I think she did her best. But again, you could tell that she was not used to doing the character work, wasn't really there to do the deep dive on the character. And I think it was really evident because the angst just felt on a very surface level.

40:50
Sam Alicea
I mean, I think also there's not a lot in the script to really tell her what that character development is. And I mean, you can tell her. You can probably tell that she didn't really make a decision. Like, she didn't decide either way what was going on with her parents. But the script doesn't tell her and it doesn't tell us. So that's not going to help Disney's School of Acting kid get through the script at all. I thought she did an okay job for what she was working with. I think that she was present in all of her scenes. Her and Naomi had good interaction when they were fighting over the piece of food. That was fun. Probably the only bit of martial arts, anything you really will see in this film.

41:30
Sam Alicea
Not really, because everything else is scenes of people, like kicking into an air or imaginary putties that can hurt you.

41:38
Case Aiken
Well, Alpha shows them how to grapple at one point.

41:41
Sam Alicea
It's very limited, but yeah. So she's fine. She's fine. And honestly, if the script had been tighter and there had been maybe some of these stories either simplified or better explained, the performances across the board from the young people would have been fine enough to get you through, considering what the original and what Power Rangers is, because you don't need it to be amazing. And they would have possibly gotten a chance to visit these characters again and get better. Maybe. Hopefully. Who knows?

42:17
Case Aiken
Yeah, because this movie has so much going for it that I do really like about it. Like, I think that the opening sequence setting up. It's kind of metal that it's like, oh, soron called on a meteor strike to kill Rita and that's why the dinosaurs died out, is a pretty extreme kind of stance on that one. It is the pop culture sort of science one that people would go for. And it's funny because they say Earth during the Cinezoic era, which is the era after the meteor strike. So it's like, okay. But I feel like every time someone's like, oh, look what this crazy thing that they did to Earth. Like Jupiter sending has the same moment where it's like, oh, well, last time were mad at the planet, we wiped out the dinosaurs.

42:52
Case Aiken
And it's like there have been a lot of mass extinctions, guys.

42:54
Sam Alicea
Only one case. The only one.

42:57
Case Aiken
Well, it is the big one that is actually like an exterior factor as opposed to climate change. So that also is a thing. I love the fact that the Zeo Crystal is a giant plot thread for this. This movie loves Power Rangers canon, and it's all over the g****** place. I think it's so f****** cool that we've got that in there and it works really well. So the opening sequence of Zordon calling down the strike, I thought works really well. I think it sets up the stakes pretty well in terms of how brutal the violence can get. And then the way that it transitions to Jason stealing the cow or the bull pardon me, I thought was effective editing.

43:32
Case Aiken
And then the one or as they're escaping from the cops actually was like a pretty good disorienting sequence right there that triggers this whole movie's issue, which is that it constantly wants you to have intense feelings about car accidents throughout this whole g****** movie. But particularly this scene where it's like, oh, wow, that's a really graphic depiction of a car accident in a movie that is for children. But I like that as a setup for it. It's a prank enough type of thing where you don't really get angry at Jason too much. Like, he stole the mascot. He didn't even do anything bad with it. He just took it into the locker room.

44:03
Sam Alicea
Also, he doesn't rat out any of his other friends. He takes all the responsibility. And that's kind of like, what a good leader would do anyway. That's actually pretty good because it leads you to feel like, oh, he's a person who can take on responsibility. He's the person who pays for his mistakes, and he's loyal. He could have been like, Well, I was here with blah, and blah. He doesn't do that. He takes 100% of the responsibility and the burden of that. Whether that's fair or not and whether or not he should still be friends with those people, that's another question. But he has leadership skills. Like, he's basically saying, like, no, I did do this.

44:42
Case Aiken
Is he friends with them? I don't think never see them again.

44:45
Matty Limerick
Never see him again.

44:46
Sam Alicea
Nope.

44:46
Matty Limerick
Never see them again. I think this movie is trying to do what some of Power Rangers did do, which was that story of the week element of, like, they're trying to say that it's like, look at all the pressure Jason was put under. And this is the only way he feel he can exert control over his life, is to take away all of those things because he couldn't just quit them. He had to literally be removed from them. The same thing with kind of Kimberly in many ways, I think it's that she felt like she was untouchable and had to be proven that she could fall as far as she could. But I'm not sure the movie they set up was the movie for those to be there.

45:26
Matty Limerick
That's like if they were trying to put a very special episode into Euphoria, like, it's one of those things that just doesn't connect together because this is around the time that we got Riverdale, sabrina was happening. Like Stargirl was even a little dark. Like all these teen centered shows were getting a little darker, which they were like, this is our gritty Power Rangers. Which you can tell from the choice of font at the beginning of the movie. But again, I thought it kind of worked. I just think that there were four story writers for this and then one screenwriter. So I think when you've got four people who are not connected to the franchise in anything and we're kind of picking buzzwords and things to figuring these things out.

46:05
Matty Limerick
Of course, when you've got four people who write Hollywood things, they're going to go archetypy with know we can say that the actors didn't do a good job or did do a good job, but they only had what was given to them. And this is what I think about all the adults, too, because none of them actually matter. Like the teachers, the parents, none of them actually matter to the story except Zack's mom. I would say Zack's mom matters at the end of the day more than anybody else. But it gets into my pitch a little bit. But I think the way that they chose to use the adults in this that weren't Zordon and Rita and having them as non recognizable faces might have done more damage.

46:42
Matty Limerick
I think they could have gotten more people into seats if they had done a little more in universe stunt casting, if you know what I mean, which we will get to in my pitch. But it's just things that I was like it seems like they were kind of missing the mark from the beginning. But also Dean Israelite. This was his second directing thing ever. He'd done project almanac before this. And so that was it. And that was a found footage movie. So it's one of those things that this seemed like a big thing to be given to people that necessarily didn't have a ton of screenwriting experience, didn't have directing experience. It just seemed like they kind of were set up for failure from the beginning.

47:17
Case Aiken
Yeah, although I don't think that the failure is necessarily in the finished product as a whole so much as just how it was received. For me, as a 38 year old man watching this movie, where I find it, oh, it's overly dark at these spots. It doesn't bother me so much as it seems like weird choices that are like, well, that's not commercial, but it's not going to prevent me from enjoying the movie. So I think where the movie suffers more is that it gets this reputation that kept people from coming back. Like the box office really dropped off in the second week. You could imagine that when people are like, oh, well, it takes forever to get to where it actually gets exciting.

47:51
Case Aiken
In terms of action, I think them all developing superpowers is kind of a weird element that they inserted here, which this is where I'm saying it's almost like more trophy than what Power Rangers normally is. The whole them waking up after the car accident and then like, oh, I'm super strong now. Oh, I can climb up walls really quickly. Like, oh, I can jump super far, or I can fall down like an infinite pit and be okay without morphing is too much too soon. But it did have moments where it kind of felt like the Secret World of Alex Mack. And I was like, kind of okay. Like, that felt like the right genre, even if it was not what I wanted in my Power Rangers movie.

48:26
Case Aiken
But it gave them an excuse to kind of meander, but be like, see, the Power stuff is happening already. I think that's why the movie ended up with a reputation of like, oh, it doesn't even really start till the third act. The fact that they all kind of come together at the quarry or whatever is a little strange. The fact that it's so exposed already is also a little strange. But then they all kind of flee and there's a good moment there for Jason to sort of establish himself as the leader, where it's like, okay, you drive. I'm going to pull them into the car and everything. And those are good moments, like the almost death and then kind of coming back about it. It's not necessary. Like the wake up after the car accident.

48:59
Case Aiken
Well, one, how'd they all get there, even if you're like, oh, they have superpowers now. Did they just wander home in a fugue state after being in a car accident? Did they die? And when they woke up, they got back up just like, walked home? We don't know. It's just sort of played for like, oh, the mystery of the Power, as far as I can tell. And maybe I just missed a detail there. As far as I can tell, Rita comes back independently. It was just like, oh, she was eventually going to show up again.

49:23
Matty Limerick
I think the way that was edited together was their coins activated, then Rita's coin activated. So it's like the idea that the team now forms together, it's whoever has that coin, she still has her coin. So she was then being activated. So and the coin was what, kind of revived her because they also did. That thing of like, oh, well, Jason left his coin in his bedroom and it suddenly showed up in the bathroom with him. It's like Riptide in Percy Jackson. The pen. To me, that's what they were doing, which I guess makes sense.

49:56
Case Aiken
I think it should have been reversed.

49:58
Matty Limerick
Yeah.

49:58
Case Aiken
For one thing, like, Rita, the way that she comes back, I guess she gets loose from whatever Earth that she was trapped in after 65 million years and is just, like, floating around in the ocean just in time to be caught up in a fisherman's net. In the show, Rita's being freed is the reason that activates the Power Rangers in the first place. And I think that makes sense here, too. And that doing it in reverse without more of a thing. Billy's just like, oh, I want to go blow up this chunk of rock for no explicit reason, aside from just like, oh, well, my dad liked blowing up chunks of rock at a quarry, too. I'm going to do something kind of like that.

50:31
Sam Alicea
Well, he finally had a friend.

50:32
Case Aiken
Just seems like a weird catalyst for this all.

50:34
Sam Alicea
It's what you do with friends. What are you talking about, Case?

50:36
Case Aiken
I'm just saying I think that we should have gotten some sort of version of the like, oh, we discovered Rita in the dumpster situation. Don't do it literally the same, but it could have been a fun way to start it all. And then you could start the ticking clock of, okay, s***'s going to go down whether the Power Rangers are there or not, which the movie still does, but they find their powers and like, oh, I guess that means Rita's probably going to come back, too. Oh, God, we better get this under control because eventually someone bad will show up. It feels like a less intense timetable for them to be working under.

51:04
Matty Limerick
Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Zordon say that every planet that has a Zeocrystal has a team of Rangers?

51:11
Case Aiken
He says that every planet that can support life has a Shard of the Zeocrystal in great.

51:15
Matty Limerick
And then each Shard has a team of Rangers protecting it. Yes.

51:19
Case Aiken
I thought the deal was that they had traveled to Earth to protect the Zeocrystal there.

51:23
Matty Limerick
Right. So the idea is that probably from wherever they're coming from. That happens often.

51:27
Nic Woolfe
Yeah.

51:28
Case Aiken
Which makes me wonder, the whole, like, well, so if every planet that has life has a piece of the Zeocrystal, it means that there could be any planet you could go to that has life, which did make some of the timetable of, like, oh, Earth is now under assault. But the Zeocrystal was going to be there no matter what. It's not like the Power Rangers didn't make it a threat. Their existence isn't attracting nuisances because just the existence of life on the planet was the reason why it was in danger.

51:51
Matty Limerick
It's the Zeo Crystal, not the Rangers. The Rangers are there as a caveat of the much like the villain. Yeah, this is another one of those where again, I sit there and think and go, oh, I think it's too long, but I don't hate it. But then as we start pulling that thread, I go, oh yeah, that thing. Oh, yeah, that thing. Oh, yeah, that thing. Do you all think the training montage was helpful or necessary in this at all? Or did it just lengthen it?

52:13
Case Aiken
I liked it as a nod to the original show of them fighting putties. I like that element in their civilian forms. I thought that was pretty cool. While also making it understandable that they haven't actually confronted the real deals yet. And across the board, I think that they're too powerful unmorphed. So the fact that the fighting with the putties, it doesn't really come up, I think is appropriate and good. I like that it helps establish sort of a reason for Alpha. I think that's all pretty cool. And like, the general training montage is good stuff because the show had the excuse of them all being martial artists or gymnasts. So we got to see them doing those kind of training stuff and this movie doesn't have any of that. So this is the only way we're going to get anything like it.

52:47
Sam Alicea
Yeah, I mean, I enjoyed it because I like watching people flip around and kick s***. But I think that it was one of the scenes where there were a couple of moments where it was like too dark and a little muddy. When I was thinking about my pitch, I was wondering, is this what I shortened or some of the other stuff? Because maybe it doesn't need to be as long. Mostly I agree with Case only because, yes, we know that Jason is athletic. We don't really know a lot about anyone else. It's not like we see moments of Kim doing cheerleading beforehand. We're not getting that. So it's kind of nice to have a training moment. Probably would cut other things before I cut that.

53:27
Case Aiken
What might cause people to be bothered by it is that it is explicitly like at this point in a screenplay, you need to have some sort of fun and game section where they're exploring their abilities. And the fact that they did it as a montage feels kind of like a lazy way to do it. And so I could see people responding negatively to it. But that doesn't change the fact that screenwriting typically does put a scene like that there. So if you were to remove it, you'd have to find something to replace it. And I think it's fine. It's just a very simple version of that kind of scene.

53:55
Matty Limerick
Can we talk about Zordon?

53:57
Sam Alicea
Sure.

53:57
Nic Woolfe
Yeah, sure.

53:58
Matty Limerick
I don't know about you all. I actually really liked this idea that Zordon is dangerous and that he only wants the Rangers revived. So that he can come back now. That I thought was really messy because they make the Morphin Grid up as you go along because we have the Morphin Masters now. All of this thing is a thing that exists. There's a great TikTok content creator named James and she talks about some incredible things. And like all lore, Power Rangers go find her. She's incredible. But I think they only use the name of the Morphing Grid because it's something you have access to without really fleshing out about like, oh, when a team's power ignites, it opens the Morphing Grid to them. So to me, I was like, is it a portal?

54:39
Matty Limerick
Is that going to connect us back to Altar or whatever the homeworld is? Like, how is his being in Stasis and then can be reborn without a body? I'm a little confused, but I liked that he was kind of self serving, that he is a bad leader and that his only purpose was to maybe sacrifice these kids to bring himself back. And I actually really liked that as the linchpin for this Zordon, because in the original, we get very little about Zordon. They don't really care to develop him. They send him away, as a matter of fact, and we get a face covered person who ends up being the same actress as the villain.

55:16
Matty Limerick
And in the movie we got a little bit just because you saw Zordon outside of his tube, but I think that aspect of him actually worked really great in kind of addition to the fact that he was his own Red Ranger. That's something that exists in the Boom comics as well, which is great. But maybe separating that idea of him being reborn from the Morphing Grid and then sacrificing that option to resurrect Billy, I really did like and thought it was effective that he has an ulterior motive and isn't telling the kids. And then we get that great scene between him and Jason. I thought that was actually a really effective moment that they put in.

55:51
Case Aiken
Yeah, like him being the one to call the meteor strike that destroyed the dinosaurs is a very hardcore approach to the problem solving here. And building off of that as a character for him, where he's not just like a wise, everything is going to be good, kind of mentor. And it's rather like, no, we have to win no matter what kind of stance. I think is an interesting update to the character. And I think that Brian Cranston does a fine job at being just the head. And I love the look for him as Zordon, the weird push pin kind of design face for him and the fact that he moves around so much that it's like disorienting for everyone makes that part.

56:26
Case Aiken
Like the ship base setup is such a good update to what the original show version had, and I think those all work really well. Them explaining more well what is his goal? Is his goal to come back to stop Rita, or is his goal to come back so that he could be alive? Would be a good thing to sort of clarify, like, if it's just this whole single minded I have to complete the mission and you all are not ready, so I have to come back kind of thing. I think that would make more sense than the way that they kind of half explained it in this movie.

56:53
Matty Limerick
I agree.

56:53
Case Aiken
You bring up the morphing grid and how it becomes attached. I do like lines that they make in this movie that I don't think they expand enough on. Oh, you have to be thinking of each other and connected with each other. This movie came out post Pacific Rim, where the whole idea in that for why you've got a pair of people piloting these mechs is that their minds actually have to be linked together and they actually can't have secrets from each other. They have to be totally open to each other in order for it to function. And I thought that writ large with five people is so f****** cool. And they don't quite get there in this movie, but they almost do. And that is one where it would be really cool to explore.

57:31
Case Aiken
I mean, they say that the reasons why that they're not morphing is that they're keeping stuff from each other, like they are keeping secrets, they're keeping all the stuff hidden away. And it would be really cool of when they actually all come together, that they are fully mentally linked to each other to the point where it is kind of vulnerable. The five of them being totally open and totally exposed and seeing each other's weaknesses and seeing each other's strength and drawing strength from each other's strengths would have been like such a cool thing to build more on. And that's one of the areas where this movie is almost fixing lore stuff, like having elegant solutions to canon problems that, again, were being made up as they went, but it doesn't quite just push it just enough.

58:12
Matty Limerick
So then I guess I have the question for us. Why does no one come looking for them to realize that they're all dead? And why has no one come to look for the Zeocrystal? This happens in Transformers a lot too, when they talk about the Autobots being locked away and the Decepticons being dead, like locked away for half a millennia or whatever. But that's the hole. They don't fill that. I think they were going to try to in the sequel, well, all five sequels originally, but this happens with a lot of modern Sci-Fi. They think just enough about the story they're telling, but not all of those answers, which to me, why didn't someone else come looking to reclaim those coins? Because it's clear the coins can't be destroyed, but they can be.

58:56
Matty Limerick
So, like, why didn't whoever sent Zordon, come accept that the team failed their mission and then at least come collect the resources from whatever planet sent them because they have a whole full fleet of Zords, which in my mind are all spaceships in some way, shape or form, maybe. I don't know. They're not clear. The Zeo Crystal is there. It's not going to stop people from coming to claim it. Those were things that I went are we not going to answer that? Okay. We're not going to answer that. It's fine, it's fine. We don't need to answer that.

59:23
Nic Woolfe
Yeah.

59:23
Case Aiken
And that could have been a line because it could have been like the devastation was so vast that the planet was recorded as dead and it's a miracle that life resumed. Now, the Kpg extension event is not the extinction event where that would necessarily happen, but there are some big ones going into the Triassic period. There was a big one there's, the Great Dying. There have been plenty of big extinction events in Earth's history where the majority of life was dead. And it's kind of a miracle that it came back.

59:48
Matty Limerick
Absolutely. But I think that was the thing, is that they were starting to really think about what was happening. But I also think when you've got four people coming up with a story, one person writing that story, a lot of things are going to get lost in translation. Plus, I guarantee you this went through a heavy boardroom process of like people who are not creatives were getting to call decisions on what was happening, which maybe with that, can we talk design? Because I know Sam and I are probably say about Rita before we do.

01:00:16
Case Aiken
That, I have one thing I want to say, which is I love the Krispy Kreme thing.

01:00:20
Sam Alicea
Is hilarious. I love it so much.

01:00:22
Case Aiken
I think it's so funny.

01:00:24
Matty Limerick
Pure camp.

01:00:24
Case Aiken
It's amazing. I think it's such a non issue. I think it is hilarious. I think Rita being like Krispy Kreme, it must be an important place, is awesome. I think the shot of her eating a Krispy Kreme donut just before Goldar like bursts through is wonderful.

01:00:36
Sam Alicea
Also, she's not wrong. It is an important place.

01:00:39
Matty Limerick
It is.

01:00:40
Case Aiken
I will say when they start digging into the Krispy Kreme to find the Zeocrystal, it's like, oh, that's pretty shallow. I feel like that's just like what their foundation of the building would have been as opposed to deeper in the rock. But just in general, I think that everything should be buried deeper based on when this all occurred. Again, the Krispy Kreme thing is so f****** funny and I think it's great and I don't want to lose it because I get that it helped them make money and I thought it was fine, keep it.

01:01:03
Sam Alicea
And Krispy Kreme is delicious.

01:01:05
Case Aiken
Okay, costumes.

01:01:07
Matty Limerick
No, no case. I was just going to say I agree with you because then I think at the end of this. Most of Angel Grove should be completely like because this is something the boom comic did. Because this is how the boom comic starts, which is them post Green with Evil Tommy having to come to terms with the fact that he killed thousands of people and that Angel Grove was destroyed. So I think at the end of this that the Power Rangers get to look out of the Megazord, but then also see that they didn't preserve their community in the way they did, but because their community is going. To have to be forever changed now that the Power Rangers are there, even though they are giving up their powers at the end of this movie. I agree with you.

01:01:44
Matty Limerick
I think the center of town should have just been laid to waste. But yeah, design. So, friends, what did everyone think of these kind of costumes and I guess the Zords, because to me, they work together. So I guess costumes and zords, what do we all think?

01:01:59
Nic Woolfe
I think between this movie and the original 95 movie, it's not that I think these suits look bad. They look fine. It's just that there's this big issue of overthinking a very simple design. The 95 suits, they're apparently like 40 pounds and were terrible to move around in. For the actors, these suits are CGI, but if they try to do more practical fight scenes with them, I imagine we'd have a similar issue and the same thing with the like part of the fun of the Zords is seeing how they all come together and make a one giant megazord. I cannot tell you where the triceratops ends and the mastodon begins. Looking at the megazord in this movie.

01:02:48
Sam Alicea
Yeah.

01:02:49
Case Aiken
Not disagreeing. Sam.

01:02:51
Sam Alicea
Well, I needed the pink to be overall, like, the movie already is so dark. I think that when the Power Rangers come out, they just need to be vibrant and it's fine for them to have a real armored look. I was fine with that. We're post iron man. We're post, like, that kind of things. We're not expecting Leotards on people. We're not going back to the early 90s. That's fine. But I would have liked some more vibrant color, especially because we've already spent so much of this movie in darkness. Having said that, Elizabeth Banks costume is very colorful. It is incredibly bright. And I did enjoy the color, but I hated her hair. I hated it. I thought it looked terrible. And I just thought that it wasn't befitting an amazing warrior and kind of I missed the horns. I missed the horns.

01:03:43
Sam Alicea
I missed the ridiculous horns. I'm just going to say it. I wanted her to have some sort of headdress. I wanted her to feel more regal. And I'm not saying that it had to be kind of what looked like cone b**** on her head. I don't think that's necessarily what I needed. I just needed a little more of a nod to the original Rita. I just needed something in the and I know she didn't move around a lot. Okay. Like, her costume did not allow for a lot of movement in the past. However, she just looked like my favorite bohemian maleficent evil queen. And I needed more in that. And I'm not saying, like, I needed her to look like HeLa or something from, like, Thor, but I needed a headdress. I needed something better done with her hair. Her hair just looks gross.

01:04:29
Sam Alicea
The whole time, it just looks gross.

01:04:31
Matty Limerick
It's a bad wig.

01:04:32
Sam Alicea
Yeah, it's a really bad wig. Unnecessary and horrible. I didn't mind the gold on her face. I thought that was kind of cool, and I liked the way that it was chiseled on her face. But overall, yeah. Still not crazy about it. I'm fine with her being in pants. I just needed her to feel a little more, like, regal. Especially her head, specifically.

01:04:51
Matty Limerick
I know. There is one caveat. There was originally a headpiece design that looked like what the dragon Zord was supposed to look like, which had a fin in the middle, and then two raised horns. But she looked too much like maleficent, in their opinion, with the face pieces, because that was when Ariana had introduced the ponytail. Ariana Grande.

01:05:13
Sam Alicea
Yeah.

01:05:13
Matty Limerick
And so I think they were trying to but, like, you can see her lace line because it's really dirty, and they didn't blur it out.

01:05:20
Sam Alicea
Yeah. No ponytail. Just leave her hair down. Do something with that. Could have done it in gold.

01:05:27
Matty Limerick
Oh, I think the gold would have made more sense with green elements. That I agree with you 1000.

01:05:32
Sam Alicea
Right. It should have been gold, because if they gave her a headdress in gold, that would have stopped it from looking like maleficent. And she's already absorbing gold. She's absorbing gold throughout the whole movie. So why wouldn't she just create the headdress to adorn herself? The whole point is that she wants power. Like, why wouldn't she create herself a crown?

01:05:52
Matty Limerick
My question is, why does she have hair? They didn't explain whether she's not the same alien race as Zordon and the rest of the team because they're all bald, or are they kind of pseudo shapeshifters based on their power? Or is that something that the green power gave her that the others didn't? Because there is something clearly different about the green power and how she was able to corrupt it, or, like, does she feed off having the Zeocrystal closer to her? Those were just those things they didn't think about. And in the original film, there was a suit designer and then the costume designer that did everything else. The two, to me, are kind of two different things.

01:06:27
Matty Limerick
And, Nick, I agree with you a thousand percent on the weird bulkiness of the costumes, but they weren't, because there's something sentient about the power and that they are part of the ship. They're part of the zords. I thought it should have molted and kind of had that same galaxy shifting that the blue had in the middle and that's on their spine and their hands. To me, I think they forever live in that spine and it's like the blue beetle. That is the cost of being a Power Ranger. It is something or it's the buckle, but it is officially on their body forever until they die and then it falls off. I feel like it needs to be a symbiotic relationship.

01:07:06
Matty Limerick
So whether it's like the beetle, if it's like the symbiote, if it's like a yerk from animals that didn't go in their head, but it feels like again, they had all these almost answers for themselves. For me, the bodies of the suits are more or less fine. I wish they'd been practical because I think they would have solved a lot of their problems. I hate the helmets. They looked bad in the toys. And I agree with Nick 1000%. The Zords, you always wait for the Zords. We want cool transforming robots. They were still two. Michael Bay. Transformers. For us, having to wait for them to morph till the last 40 minutes and then use the Zords in the last 40 minutes, it was an ultimate letdown, not a payoff. To me, just me personally.

01:07:48
Matty Limerick
You know, it's funny with Rita I don't actually mind the bodysuit. I minded that I could tell that parts of the bodysuit were cheap like rave wear that was molded in with the resin vinyl. That to me was the issue.

01:08:02
Sam Alicea
In that case, they should have just given her a hoop. Right?

01:08:05
Matty Limerick
Well, I think doing a digital garment, if the Rangers were CGI, why not give her a digital overlayer? That is gold. That moves like something with her magic and her power. Because then the idea that Goldar comes out of her and she connects into Goldar with whether it's like a mist and it's like a force field around her, because she's insanely powerful with the staff. It's off of that green. So the green is the bodysuit and then you build off of it and then it disappears. When she's a battle thing. They're just little things that if they were going to spend that money on CGI suits, I would have rather been for her than for the Rangers. But I think Casey and I talked about it with the original Mighty Morphin movie.

01:08:44
Matty Limerick
I love the Ninja Zords from the show but the 3D rendering of them is so bad and it mucked up a really sleek design. Where in this they were going for something that was sleek and it just didn't it looked so bulky and it made me not want to buy a single toy. The toys, you could tell they were making the cheapest version of the toys possible because nothing communicated over to the toys. Which is again, going back to what Case and Sam and everybody else has said that if you're doing a toy tie in, this better be a kids movie. Even all the Marvel movies, the DC movies, were generally the ones that get the toys kids can go see generally. Now there are exceptions. Like Ruth Carter for Black Panther. She'd never done hero stuff.

01:09:26
Matty Limerick
But I think it worked for that because that wasn't the center of the design.

01:09:30
Case Aiken
Well, also, Black Panther was not coming into a new movie out of the blue. For one thing, Black Panther had already been introduced and also had already been designed.

01:09:39
Matty Limerick
Yeah, where with this. I also think Sam brought this up a couple of times in case you brought it up as well. Nobody talks about how one in design school, they always talk about if you're putting a graphic on a shirt, it needs to be there for a specific and important reason. There is too many words on shirts that don't matter. That is so distracting. And they decided instead of being like, oh, well, in the original, we know pink is pink because she's in pink all the time. Or green is green. And so they subverted. So it's like mostly black with elements of green. Mostly black. But when they're going to make a movie this dark and that command center is dark, not everyone can be in black and dark grays.

01:10:16
Matty Limerick
And like Trinity, I wanted punk yellow plaid pants that look like Cher Horwitz plaid. I wanted her to be like full punk. And even when they gave Kimberly, she had the awesome bondage bra, like bralette under the tank top. It was so muted. It was like, if you're going to give me elements of those, I was like, just lean into it. Jason should be in red plaid. I want Billy in jeans and overalls at some like again, those are things that are from the original. But that style is back. And there's a way to make them look trendy. But also, like, Zach in all blacks kind of makes sense. But then they had him in white for most of the movie because you couldn't have seen him otherwise.

01:10:55
Matty Limerick
I think having him in baggy, oversized clothes and they're blacks that don't match because he is poor. Like, they didn't look economically at who each of these kids were. And the fact that Kimberly always had a saying on her shirt that was like an like that, I just found it so distracting.

01:11:12
Case Aiken
Yeah, I stopped to read every single time Kimberly was on screen because she always had very big texts. Like Jason often had text on his shirts that was in red on like a black shirt. But I could barely read it. So it didn't really bother me because I couldn't read it versus Kimberly. It was always big and usually it was white.

01:11:27
Matty Limerick
And then you could tell they put a filter over the movie, which made everything look dirty. And so they all looked dirty because I like that. The Angel Grove is a poor fishing community. A poorer but you know, Kimberly Hart, her dad is the richest man in town and you cannot tell me otherwise. And so she's probably slumming it. I don't think they did any pre pro work. Thinking about who these characters were, I feel like they went to fast fashion for all of the kids costumes so that they could spend more money on Rita and then CG budget, I think.

01:11:58
Case Aiken
Which is wild, that this movie was so expensive considering how much of it looks like fairly cheap CG. I think that the movie fails the worst with the Megazord. It looked better on my rewatch than when I saw it in theaters. And that might be that the home version had additional CG, or it just might be that I was able to stop and take it in a little bit more. But I know that the toys look like f****** dog s***. And the worst part about this all is that the Megazord from the original show is one of the most elegant designs that Power Rangers and Super Sentai has ever had.

01:12:28
Matty Limerick
Say it again.

01:12:29
Case Aiken
Incredible bit of design where you can still clearly see all the spots where each of the individual Zords ends but at the same time has a cohesive, coherent look to it. I mean, like, Christ, man, there are so many seasons of Power Rangers where it just looks like a bunch of s*** duct taped together and it doesn't fit at all. And then there are seasons that look great, like the Thunder Zords from season two. Like the diranger. Oh, my God, they look amazing. But they don't look like the individual Zords anymore. Like the only spots where you can still kind of see it are on the boots. And even then it's like two fairly similar things, just different colored. The original Megazord was such a perfect fusion of all these different elements, like coming together.

01:13:08
Case Aiken
And there was a really cool transformation sequence of it on the show where you could see how they all link together in this. It's obstructed by fire.

01:13:15
Matty Limerick
Yeah, sure.

01:13:15
Case Aiken
It's an emotional journey and I like that part and I like how the cockpits are exposed. I actually dig that component of it even if it doesn't make structural sense. But it feels like they're not supposed to come together. It feels like they're just on fire and then they just kind of like melted into a cohesive thing, when really that should be the ultimate culmination of them being fully linked to each other as one person. To the point on the show, they're making all the same hand gestures as they're like all zords, like attack or whatever. That element should have been a thematic element here where they are fully linked, they are fully living in the space together inside the Zord. But I feel like they should have had intent for why those came together. Like. Why did the swords link together?

01:13:56
Case Aiken
If nothing else, we should have seen the T Rex open up some ports and have the other ones latch onto it because that would have been so g****** cool looking. And instead we don't really get it. And the final Zord doesn't really look like any of them. It doesn't look like a team of five coming together. It looks like just a wholly new entity.

01:14:11
Nic Woolfe
I do kind of love how it's implied that this is the first Megazord ever with Reader going like, what was this? How did that happen? And I'm usually really critical of, say, the MCU undercutting serious moments with a joke. But I kind of like how if this is the first time a Megazord's ever been made. Like, the rangers who were only rangers, like, less than an hour ago they don't know how to make it move and they talk it through about, okay, you're the arms, you're the legs, and I'm the chest area. So let's give it one more go.

01:14:45
Case Aiken
I will say I don't mind that part.

01:14:46
Sam Alicea
Yeah, I like the trip.

01:14:48
Case Aiken
The trip was fine. Them talking out who's doing what and who's tied to it all, I think that's still fine, but I feel like.

01:14:53
Nic Woolfe
It should be okay.

01:14:54
Case Aiken
Wait, which pack of nerves am I controlling right here? And they're all kind of linked, but at the same time, each one's kind of devoting its attention to spots.

01:15:03
Sam Alicea
Yeah, I mean, I feel like at this point in the movie, though, we just don't have time for that. We have enough time, basically, for them to be like, oh crap, we're doing this together. Okay, now we've got it. Because this movie is so long.

01:15:18
Case Aiken
And that's fine. I'm not really saying that the issue was like, how they were acting while they were controlling it. I think the design for the Megazord itself sucks, and the fact that we didn't get a good transformation sequence for it all kind of sucks. And those are things that we're coming here for. The reasons why Transformers are cool is not because they're both cars and robots. It's that we see them go between the two of them.

01:15:36
Sam Alicea
Hey, listen, as a person who loves Voltron yeah, a good transformation is always an adjoining is always my jam.

01:15:46
Case Aiken
That, I think, is the worst sin of this movie. That the Megazord itself, the thing that should be like the culmination of this whole movie is kind of f****** boring looking. That I think, bothers me. The suits for the Rangers bother me less. The Rangers in general, I think we keep on all saying it's fine, and I think that's really true. There's some interesting stuff going on with the fabric on the hands that I wish more of. The suit was with armor pieces to it. And I think it could have been really interesting if they wanted to play up that they have all this energy kind of coming off of them, either through the coins or whatever, and had, like, glowing components to their bodies that are of the appropriate color for which Ranger they are. I think you could have really streamlined it.

01:16:23
Case Aiken
It's too busy. It looks like, clearly that this is a movie coming out in the wake of Transformers and Iron Man, like, way too much so, and it looks, like, completely impractical, but it's fine for the most part. I also agree that the pink is too muted, but that's just this movie's issue. In general, I will say that I.

01:16:39
Nic Woolfe
Was not disappointed when the suits first came up in the movie proper. In fact, I kind of got chills when Jason finally said, it's Morphin Time.

01:16:46
Matty Limerick
Oh, me too.

01:16:47
Nic Woolfe
What was a letdown was when they're fighting in the ravine and it just switches over the second unit CGI pre choreographs. And he's like, that's not what I come to Power Rangers for.

01:16:58
Case Aiken
Yeah, they then gave us a moment with them fighting up on land, and that's good that we're getting it, but it's all so much at the end of this movie that like, okay, we get a little bit of a putty fight in suits, and then let's immediately go get the Zords. And then I like that. We spend a lot of time with the Zords and the Zords. There are a lot of things I really like about it. They look kind of like the Zoids stuff from the 90s, like the early CG cell shaded cartoon. I like the Trex, for example. I think that one's overall pretty good. I think that the decision to have some of the ones that are not dinosaurs look more like animals just in general and not like really specific ones.

01:17:30
Case Aiken
You lose out on some of the flavor of it. Like the mastodon one has six limbs and isn't really a mastodon, so you lose some flavor there. But overall, I like them. Okay. But it would have been fun if they felt more like they could link together and be a thing.

01:17:42
Matty Limerick
Can I say I feel like this was the moment when they say the Zords take the form of the strongest thing on the planet that it's on at the time. And there was that great shot that I feel like we all remember from the original Lord Zed thing where he trashes the Dino Zords and they all fall into the fire chasm and are destroyed forever. This was very reminiscent about that. Wouldn't that have been the moment for there to be like a shockwave, like a rainbow shockwave? And then you have five new Animal Zords come up out that then submit your sequel to take into your sequel, because those were Zordon's team. This is now Jason's team. Yeah, that could have just been that moment.

01:18:23
Matty Limerick
And then you see them crawl up, and then there's that flash of light, and then the lava comes up, and then we get the like because then it feels like the Zords have reformed for Jason's team to be their pilots. It's like in Voltron Sam brought up, especially in the new DreamWorks one, each lion pilots differently because they are a sentient emotional being themselves and their pilot. Not anyone can just pilot a lion. So it's the same thing with like just because they have the coin doesn't mean they can necessarily pilot correctly because that Zord is programmed into whoever that previous pilot was.

01:18:55
Case Aiken
So maybe the Zords didn't look so much like dinosaurs before, but then they come out looking like dinosaurs, sabertooth tiger, et cetera, or they look like something new.

01:19:03
Matty Limerick
I was going to say something new because just that way that gives us even if it is like the lion, you tweak it a little or they've set up the Zeo. Maybe it's the bull, it's the lion, it's the falcon, and then not robots. But if they're tweaking because they said the next place were moving towards was Zeo, the Zeo power set was the next movie that they were going to do, like two movies with this power set and then move into Zeo because that's what they needed to do. They were going to move power sets as needed because this was supposed to be the first of six movies to go all the way through the idea of Lost Galaxy and alien powers and other teams of Rangers and those things.

01:19:44
Matty Limerick
So it could have just been that moment, because at that point, then you've got two different Megazords, you've got two different sets of Zords you can sell. And their suits don't have to change at all, truly, because they barely look like what they were supposed to look like. Like, you can kind of see pterodactyl, you can kind of see tyrannosaurus. Because I'm like, okay, so the tyrannosaurus is the only one that looks like what it's supposed to, other than the fangs on the sabertooth tiger. I love the sleek jet moment for Kimberly. But again, I feel like that's where a lot of the design stuff should have happened. And I feel like they were like, oh yeah, we're going to come back to the Zords. Yeah, we're coming back to the Zords. Yeah, our art will get back to us. We'll figure this out.

01:20:21
Matty Limerick
And then they got to a point they went, well, s***, so much happens in prepro, but we need know what this looks like now. And I'm not sure that happened with them.

01:20:28
Nic Woolfe
Yeah.

01:20:28
Case Aiken
I would not be surprised that the Zord's design had not been finalized even when the movie was done being shot.

01:20:33
Matty Limerick
I agree.

01:20:34
Case Aiken
Yeah. The thought about the Zords changing their form to the next wave of whatever that would be is that we haven't seen the Megazord yet at that point, so we kind of would need that. So I do think if they set it up earlier where they looked like alien type of life forms, and then they emulated terrestrial ones.

01:20:50
Matty Limerick
Maybe the Megazord always looks the same. Like maybe that Megazord form always looks the same but then that's so f****** boring. I know, I agree with you, but I feel like that's what they would tell you. It's like, well, it always is going to look the same. It's the same thing because I could.

01:21:04
Case Aiken
Get with like a head cannon. That okay. No one has ever created a Megazord before. Not that they never had the capabilities, but just no one was ever good enough at using their Zord and as intimately linked with each other. You could always have that kind of progression. But I do think that the design of the Megazord does rely on it having a distinct look to it that looks like it's component pieces, but it's more than the sum of its parts. I will say what were saying about Rita, I agree that I think her design she should have had base combat form is the Green Ranger stuff and then having Gold accoutrement really flush it out and being linked to Goldar would be kind of cool.

01:21:36
Case Aiken
I think we all kind of just agree that would have been a fun way of doing it and having her be more witchy and so forth when she's got all this gold emanating off of her and maybe growing into Goldar. On that note, Goldar I overall like, except I don't like that it's Goldar. It feels like the kind of monsters that Rita throws out all the time. But Goldar was a distinct personality. And I get that his name is Goldar, and that being like, okay, I'm going to gather Gold so that I can make my golem of Gold and use it to attack things is like, okay, I see why that made sense from a screenwriting perspective, but it does mean that we don't have the character.

01:22:10
Case Aiken
Like a thing that had a character in the show as opposed to every episode had a monster that was literally formed from clay. And so I kind of don't appreciate the fact that they use that name even though I see why they would use that name. Because the goopiness of it all, I thought that was kind of cool. It reminded me of the Reboot episode that was a parody of Power Rangers. You know, when the nulls, all the slimy things came together and they had to fight it with a mech. So there were elements of where this movie felt more like a commentary on a parody than a commentary on the source. But Goldar, I thought, was fine. And again, once he's up and running, it's like, okay, it's fine. He's very big compared to the Zords.

01:22:47
Case Aiken
I don't know how their mask got that big when they came together because that sizing was like, oh, they're much smaller. Even all combined, I don't think they would be as big as he is.

01:22:56
Sam Alicea
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01:24:24
Case Aiken
And we're back. All right, so we have coveted about this movie. We've also said a lot of stuff we'd like because I think this movie just generally is like it's pretty good. But because it's from a franchise that we all have really strong feelings about, we have a lot to say. So Nick and Maddie, but especially Nick, because this is your first time on the show, we have one hard rule, which is I am not allowed to go before Sam. We have a general ethos, which is like, whatever we're speculating on should be feasible. Nick, since it's your first time here, who would you like to have go first? Noting that I can't go before?

01:24:59
Nic Woolfe
Honestly I'm honestly not sure. I don't want to step on anyone else's.

01:25:03
Case Aiken
I mean, like, this should be collaborative. So if you want to go first and then we can just build off of that's totally fine.

01:25:08
Nic Woolfe
Okay.

01:25:09
Case Aiken
This is your show right now.

01:25:10
Sam Alicea
Go do it.

01:25:12
Matty Limerick
Run.

01:25:13
Nic Woolfe
All right, so I've approached this from starting at pre production for the movie. So I'm thinking don't over design the suits. Part of the appeal for Power Rangers, at least for me, is that these are actual people doing martial arts. So something that looks more not spandex, but still breathable and comfortable to move around in.

01:25:37
Case Aiken
Yeah, I think Dr. K would have a thing to say.

01:25:39
Matty Limerick
I literally was just going to yell, they're not spandex. But I was like, no, I'm not going to be that person.

01:25:46
Nic Woolfe
So, yeah, more faithful suits that are good to move around and fight in. I didn't mind the dark look for selling that. It kind of sucks to be a teenager in Angel Grove in 2017. I totally understand. But when we get more into the Power Rangers stuff, there should not be as many harsh shadows. It should be stepping out from Sepia tone into the Land of Oz. Like, when we get to the command ship, try and play more with the idea that this is out of this world. So we're going to do a slightly different tone and not super dower and super serious because it's Power Rangers and it's bright and colorful.

01:26:28
Case Aiken
Yes. There are five of you of different colors.

01:26:30
Nic Woolfe
Five colorful teens, different colors, different kids, different colored kids.

01:26:34
Case Aiken
Yes. I love it.

01:26:36
Matty Limerick
So good.

01:26:39
Nic Woolfe
How much money do you think was dropped out to have Brian Cranston in the movie?

01:26:44
Matty Limerick
A lot.

01:26:44
Case Aiken
Good question.

01:26:45
Nic Woolfe
Because I'm wondering, let's say hypothetically, you.

01:26:47
Case Aiken
Have 60 million to play with, and then 40 was, like, for some of the stunt casting.

01:26:52
Nic Woolfe
So I'm wondering if you could swap Cranston for someone who was on Power Rangers but has, like, a SAG card now, like Echo Darville. Make good use of the if. I actually wouldn't mind seeing Jason David Frank playing Zordon come around full circle.

01:27:13
Case Aiken
I mean, again, like in Dino Thunder, he was already playing the Zordon of the team.

01:27:17
Nic Woolfe
Yeah.

01:27:17
Matty Limerick
I think they also needed to sell it to a larger audience, I think was the only probably reason for that. But you're tapping into something that I also have in my pitch, so I'm excited to hear what else you have to say about this.

01:27:28
Case Aiken
But I'm hearing you because the movie ultimately looks cheap, which is crazy when it was $100 million.

01:27:33
Sam Alicea
Yeah.

01:27:35
Nic Woolfe
So basically I stick mainly with the script we got. I kind of want to start off with a sort of Dune esque opening with Zordon narrating about how it's been 65 million years since the last great battle between good and evil. I'm all right with him being the Red Ranger. I kind of want to go back to the Eltarian Sage and have him dressed in, like, whites. His wizard staff has, like, a brachiosaur head, like, kind of leaning at future stuff there.

01:28:05
Case Aiken
Are you going to tell me that you're going to have Titanus show up?

01:28:08
Matty Limerick
F*** yeah.

01:28:09
Nic Woolfe
I'm telling you that I'm seeding Titanus for if there were ever a future movie for this, and that Zordon is the wielder of the white light. So prologue is fine. After the fight with Zordon and Rita and maybe somebody else we don't know, we cut to Jason and his dad driving up to the Angel Grove Youth Bar. I know they did scouting. I wonder if we can switch around the school or maybe build some sets to make it more look like the juice bar from the show, because I feel like these kids need a place, a home away from home, and we get more about what Jason's dad's deal is. He's not mad that Jason stole the rival football team's mascot, but this is more for a water boy to do, not the quarterback. What were you thinking?

01:28:59
Nic Woolfe
Jason still doesn't give away who it was, but we'll see them very soon and has the ankle bracelet and the knee brace. So he's going to the youth center to get physical therapy, and it's there where he meets up with old childhood friend Zach Taylor. Those introductions in the movie we got were kind of sweaty, so I want to tie it back to something more familiar. And pulling from some cut content from the movie is that he's a dancer, and he posts videos of him dancing on YouTube to try and go viral, basically. And this is where I bring in two characters who feel like they're cornerstones of Power Rangers.

01:29:44
Matty Limerick
I know exactly what you're doing.

01:29:45
Nic Woolfe
So in the movie we got, there was Mr. Colt Wallace, who was, again, Billy's main bully, and there was Jason's friend Damo, the kid who milked the cow they stole. In this pitch, they're just Bulk and Skull. Yeah.

01:30:01
Case Aiken
And that works as, like, football nicknames. For example, your left tackle is Bulk. Yeah, that makes sense.

01:30:06
Sam Alicea
I like it.

01:30:07
Nic Woolfe
Yeah. And Skull was the water boy, like I mentioned in this version. I kind of visioned them as, like, YouTube pranksters, because that just feels like something Bulk and Skull of 2017 would do. So once Jason deals with those guys, like, Billy and Tree are like, oh, wow, you're Jason Scott. You're so cool. And I want to keep Billy as on the spectrum and a kind of reinvention of where the thing where Treme re explains his techno battle. Right now, they're kind of only friends who hang out because they're kind of outcasts but for room for growth later. And Billy appreciates what she's doing, but at sometimes it can feel kind of condescending.

01:30:51
Nic Woolfe
Billy's like, hey, if you want me to remove that ankle bracelet, we just need your car, because my dad was on the verge of finding something in the mines, and it's been a while since I've been there, and I really want to finish his work. So that's how we get Jason, Billy, and Trini together. And Zach kind of tags along because, like, hey, I want to catch up on lost time. We still get Kimberly's introduction. The problem with the core scene in the movie we got is that three characters just happen to be there. I find it easier to believe when there's just one character who happens to be there, and that character is Kimberly. I'm making her the sole outsider among the outsiders kind of role here.

01:31:31
Nic Woolfe
So when we do get to the quarry, when they blast open the coins, they also awaken something else. They awaken. Rita's faithful servant Goldar. Because I'm putting more action in this movie, I'm front loading it with more action here, and we need a kind of humanoid presence. But we also can't introduce Rita too quickly. Like, Rita is where the movie shifts and things start to go bad. So Goldar has, like, a bunch of pebbles that he plants into the ground and that grows out putties. And we get our first fight scene. And Billy is the first one to morph. That's right. They actually can morph early on in here. And eventually they're all morphed and they're unskilled. But they do pack a punch. And Gold are still weakened from waking up soon. But because the Rangers have morphed that awakens Rita from the sea.

01:32:32
Nic Woolfe
And at first, like in the movie we got, they all wake up at home. It's like, wait, wasn't I outside? Did I just dream that? And then they all show up at the Youth Center again. Imagine this is like Spring Baker or something. And Billy's like, hey, guys, you all kind of blanked out last night, but I was studying the coin we got here, and I think there's something bigger underneath the quarry. So that's how we all go back to the quarry. And they jump over the ravine, they jump in to the water. Do want to keep the Trini Kimberly scene where one of them is trying to convince the other to jump in with them, but I want it reversed. I want Trini trying to convince Kimberly to jump in because we might as well.

01:33:18
Nic Woolfe
And so they all jump into the ravine and they're exploring the ship. And I do want the ship to be more colorful. It should be awe inspiring to be inside a spaceship. And they get into a fight with Alpha, like usual, but then they start morphing, and it's like, oh, wow. You're not just intruders, are you? And he takes them to Zordon. So we get this same spiel about your Power Rangers. The person you fought was Goldar. He's the loyal servant of Rita. And we've got to train you up. You got to learn how to fight. Right now, you're just punching wildly. The training montage I thought was fine. I thought it would also be fun to see them trying to do good deeds around the town in their Ranger garb because Goldar is in hiding at this point.

01:34:05
Nic Woolfe
Eventually, Goldar, he either robs someone or kills someone for their gold. People are concerned because, what did I catch on my phone footage? And I want Jason to try and take charge and morph into his Ranger forms, like trying to explain the situation, but that just makes more distrust. And then Bulk and Score, like, you just take your problems and get them out of here. Jason's trying to deflate the situation, but he comes off as aggressive. And Bulk throws himself in front of skull to prevent him from being hit. And that kind of causes Jason to stop. And it's like, okay, guys, it was fun training at the Youth Center, figuring out our powers for ourselves, but I think we do need direct leadership under Zordon that's when they go back to the ship and they start more rigorous training.

01:35:00
Nic Woolfe
And they fight with Alpha Five again, and it's like, oh, no, you guys need to learn how to use your weapons because my rewrite here the problem isn't that they can morph. It's just that they're not utilizing their power correctly and they won't be able to utilize it until they can summon their power weapons like the lance, the axe, the sword, because that's how the Zords will recognize them as their masters. So Alpha breaks out Alphas One through Four, and they're all training partners, utilizing what would be their power weapons to try and learn how to use it and try to better Rangers, essentially. So Billy is able to summon his lance at a certain point, but he can't redo it. And they go have their time on the fireplace.

01:35:52
Nic Woolfe
And I guess this is as good as time as any to talk about what the Rangers deal is, what each of their deals are. So Zach and Billy are basically the same as the movie we got. I put more focus on Zach trying to put himself out there on YouTube and trying to go viral because he thinks if he can do something with that, he can start making money to help out his mom. Yeah.

01:36:17
Case Aiken
God, this movie came out just a little too soon for TikTok, and that would have been the perfect thing for.

01:36:22
Matty Limerick
Like two years before. Yeah.

01:36:24
Nic Woolfe
Instead of hip hop Keto, he learns TikTok keto.

01:36:27
Case Aiken
I kind of love that too much.

01:36:30
Matty Limerick
Well, because that's such a nice callback to the original show, too.

01:36:33
Nic Woolfe
Yeah. For the longest time in the producing of this pitch, I toyed around with Zach and Billy, swapping their Ranger colors because I can't remember who pointed it out for me, but I remember thinking, it kind of sucks that Billy the autistic representation of the Rangers is associated with the color of the awful Autism organization that I will not be named.

01:36:59
Sam Alicea
But I feel like they made that change because they didn't want him associated with black, because one of the things that is always said about the original is that they made the black Ranger black, the Asian girl yellow, and they were that's right on the so. But you're right, this is an unfortunate other side effect with blue.

01:37:18
Nic Woolfe
So we get into Trini's deal. Basically, Trini's grandparents came over in a tie. They're basically refugees, so they got in. And that kind of raises anxiety for her mom because, like, oh, I don't want my parents, your grandparents, to be taken away. And that kind of effs up Trini and how she relates to people, but she understands it's wrong and she's trying to appreciate her mom more and also trying to appreciate her friends more, essentially. And this movie came out like one week after Logan. I feel like you could put that in here and not be too out of place. So we get to Jason talking. This is where we actually see the flashback scene of him and Skull stealing the rival football team's mascot, which I'm going to call Stone Canyon. I also like Power Rangers. Lore.

01:38:15
Nic Woolfe
And Jason told himself that, oh, I was just looking out for him. He seemed scared that was just a lie he told himself. He was just trying to get in trouble because he wanted to be off the football team and he wanted to stick it to his dad, essentially. But Skull thought that Jason was going to take him down with him. So he called Bulk to pick him up early. And that left Jason with the cops. And that's where you get the dialogue between Jason and Kim about how, oh, you did a bad thing, but you're not a bad person, but it actually makes sense and is not head scratching. And then everyone's turning towards Kim, but she's just really embarrassed and it's too personal for her.

01:38:55
Nic Woolfe
So they kind of end it there because another thing about the movie we got is that Kim talks about how I think I'm the reason why we can't morph. So I'm actually digging into that here more. So she gets the scene with Rita where Rita invades her room wondering if that's more of like a dream, essentially, because like, hey, we're both the outcasts and no one cared about us. I really want to hammer home that Zordon's team were soldiers, whereas this team is friends. And that's kind of why going in with Duplicitous Zordon we have here that kind of shaped Rita. So then we cut to the fight at the docks where first the Rangers, they get a hint about Goldar being there, but then they realize it's a trap when Rita shows up.

01:39:49
Nic Woolfe
And we get the scene where, oh, it's under Krispy Kreme or Ernie juice bar, et cetera, and Billy's drowning. But Rita doesn't free them, she just leaves them to be. And throughout this version of the movie, like Fulcrum, skull have like a subplot where there's like, hey, those five guys don't hang out usually what's going on with them? And they actually catch the fight with Rita on camera and they're kind of mortified. But at the same time, once Rita and Goat are leave, bulk jumps in to untie everybody and Skull jumps in to save Billy. So we get to where they bring Billy's body back, like they're thinking if they place their coins on him, he'll come back to life. But nothing's happened. And here's where we get Kimberly talking about her deal because she's the reason we can't summon our power weapons here.

01:40:44
Nic Woolfe
Kimberly was trying to come out to her best friend, who was a girl, and trying to get her to break up with her friend, but that just caused her to lose all social standards and that emotional honesty is what causes the morphin grid to fully coalesce and Zordon to bring Billy back to life. Third act plays out. More or less the same, only when Rita sends her now numerous putties down. Another running bit I've had is that Alpha talks about how great it is that we have a teleporter and we can teleport you all around, but it always is not working when they want it to. But because they access the morphin grid that repaired the ship so now they can teleport.

01:41:27
Nic Woolfe
So we get to see the Rangers teleport down into the quarry holding their power weapons and the fight off the Putties and they look good doing it. So the Rangers fight Goldar. They're trying to do more to help the like instead of Jason saving his dad, he saves Skull. And Bulk trapped in a car and he actually puts his visor down. It's like, hey, it's all right. I got you guys. And Alphas One through Five are also doing first responding basically kind of like the Superman robots from Superman versus the Elite trying to mitigate damage. And after they slap Rita into space and Bulk and Skull are talking amongst themselves like they heard Rita talk about the morphin grid. So what do we call these guys? They're like mega morphin power Rangers. No. No, that doesn't work. Macho Morphin Power Rangers.

01:42:26
Nic Woolfe
No, that doesn't work. Then they look to each other, smash cut to maybe six months or a year later and they've turned their prankster YouTube channel into they basically become what they are in the Boom comics where they're like a Power Rangers news YouTube station. And they talk about how the Power Rangers helped rebuild the city. Zordon says that he underestimated them. It's like, you're better than my team. Taking from the comics where the comic Zordon talked about his team he formed in 1969. Those were all specialized people with a specific set of skills, but they weren't friends. And that's kind of why three out of five of them died. Whereas with these Rangers, it's better to take people who are genuine friends and who would die for each other and then teach them the skills they need to be Rangers later on.

01:43:21
Nic Woolfe
And so I think we have three, maybe four post credit scenes. One's where the Rangers buy their Krispy Kreme color coordinated donuts delicious. Two is where we talked about how Billy's Van in the original movie got smashed by a train. In this version, Jason's car got smashed by putties I'm thinking Billy can use throughout the movie, Billy is studying the command ships tech to fix everything and he makes the red bug post credit. Three is Rita waking up in space and making herself be able to breathe with her magic. He's like, I guess I'll have to start again, but I won't have to start from scratch. And she causes the Moon palace to rise up.

01:44:10
Nic Woolfe
And the post credit scene four is basically a recreation of the first scene of Green with Evil where Jason, because of his Ranger activities, is moving away from football to more martial arts because it fits him better where he faces off against Tommy Oliver. I think I got through the bulk of it.

01:44:29
Case Aiken
Yeah. I like that there's a lot of similar notes. I think we can identify a lot of the same weaknesses in the movie that we got. So there's definitely a lot of shared points for what I was kind of thinking. I love having Goldar be the thing that's sort of like out there as an entity.

01:44:42
Nic Woolfe
He's the heavy.

01:44:43
Case Aiken
Yeah, I think it makes sense. I mean, it's nice in the movie that we got that all is stemming from Rita, but having sentient followers for her makes sense to a degree.

01:44:55
Nic Woolfe
Another thing that is kind of the tone problem with this movie is that for as serious and grounded as they want this movie to be, they still call her Rita Repulsa.

01:45:08
Sam Alicea
Right.

01:45:09
Case Aiken
There's so many things that are like this is just like a little too far for the serious movie that you're.

01:45:13
Nic Woolfe
Trying to like honestly either lean into more of the campiness and have Rita Repulsa say that be her name or if you are going to be more serious, I kind of like what this fan production did. Power Rangers, the audio drama where she was named Rita Bandora because that's a name at least. Yeah.

01:45:34
Case Aiken
And regarding tone, I will say that I think that fan productions parodies things that are playing in a space but isn't necessarily like the canon space or the flagship space. They're allowed to go further afield. Like they can go darker if they want to.

01:45:48
Sam Alicea
Yeah.

01:45:48
Nic Woolfe
I will say I did enjoy this movie a little bit more than Power Rangers and it kind of highlights why for me, Power Slash Rangers was kind of a poor attempt at satire because Power Slash Rangers did not have product placement in it. It was the one thing that was missing.

01:46:06
Case Aiken
But Nick, I think you hit on a lot of the really good points here. I f****** love your Alphas one through four bit right there. Yeah, I think that is just for the movie itself.

01:46:15
Nic Woolfe
They'd probably just pitch Shift Bill Hader, but I would want to bring back the previous alpha voices like Richard Steven Horowitz, Wendy Lee, like maybe retool the Alpha Six yo yo into more of a Stallone impression.

01:46:33
Case Aiken
So I like all that. And I think we're in similar spaces in terms of like yeah, get some action earlier, speed up some of the stuff, have some more character development. And you know what, I think we all at least at some point thought, hey, should some of these be flashbacks like the stealing the cow or the opening or any of that? Should we open in media res to speed up this whole process? Because the movie ended up being over 2 hours and that's too long.

01:46:54
Sam Alicea
Yeah.

01:46:55
Nic Woolfe
And the megazord obviously looks a little bit more like the traditional megazord. Yeah.

01:47:00
Case Aiken
Or at the very least looks like it is the five robots coming together.

01:47:05
Nic Woolfe
I watched Shannon Ultraman and watching how the fights and that go down, it's like, I'm really sick of American Monster movies. Being slave to realism is like, big thing. Go slow. It's like, nah, just have it move fast and it creates shockwaves around the area. It's fine. They're operated by the Morphing grid. Regular physics doesn't apply to them.

01:47:27
Case Aiken
Yeah, I mean, that's MacGuffin for it all. Nick, thank you for bringing that one. Who would you like to have go next?

01:47:33
Nic Woolfe
All right. Heads is Maddie. Tails is Sam. All right, it's tails.

01:47:40
Sam Alicea
Mine is going to be relatively short because I think I want this movie to be shorter because I want kids to be able to sit through it. And so I feel like we need to just tighten things up. And actually, I really like, Nick, that you started with a kind of overarching, like Zordon, just kind of speaking the history because we can kind of get into it. I also think although the prank was cool to kind of see, we can shorten that up. So I kind of like the idea of dad just talking it out, driving him somewhere, being like, you really messed up, kid. Kind of like your knees messed up, that kind of thing. I'm kind of still okay with him going to detention. I'm kind of still okay with The Breakfast Club of it all. I don't really mind that.

01:48:23
Sam Alicea
I actually think that at least four of the characters should be there. And I think it should be Trini, Kim, Billy, and of course, our Red Ranger. And they should be there. And then I'm fine with Zach being at the quarry. However, I think that Zach should be actually working the quarry. This is why he hasn't gone to school. And he did know Jason before. I actually was like, oh, yeah, I actually kind of thought that would be fun. Like, these are friends that have fallen out because Zach has stopped going to school regularly because he's got an illegal evening tonight job at the quarry. So he can help his mom pay some bills. And he's kind of disappeared from everybody's life and no one knows why.

01:49:03
Sam Alicea
And so when he sees them snooping know, kind of coming there to do Billy's bidding, I think that he's there to kind of be like, what the f*** are you doing? Like, you guys can't be here. This is not so I'm switching around his personality because I'm not going to have him be like, yeah, all the bad things. I'm going to have him literally be like, no, I work here. You have to go. I mean, listen, someone who's a caretaker can also, outside of their caretaking roles, can feel like they want to be rebellious. But I think in general, being that young, being a child of an immigrant, being someone who's taking care of a dying parent. He's probably more responsible than your average high schooler, even though he's not going to high school.

01:49:44
Sam Alicea
So I'm going to change up his personality a little bit and just have him be like, you guys need to leave. And then the reason Billy wants to go so badly, I'm going to change that a little bit. It's not just because of his dad. It's because with his dad's obsession. His dad had an obsession about something that was in that quarry. And earlier that day, there's going to be an explosion, and that explosion is going to release Rita into the stream, which is going to take her out to the sea. So basically, the quarry itself dug too deep. It's kind of like a Helms Deep thing. And let Rita go. They released Rita, and this is kind of what starts it.

01:50:23
Sam Alicea
So Billy has a feeling that something has happened because maybe he's got some sort of program that his dad has already set up. I don't know. We'll work out the details, and he figures out that something's wrong and they've got to go to the quarry. And he's convinced these three people he's met in detention that they've got to go with him. And so they go. They actually find everything the way that they do. Zach is there telling them to leave, but he gets pulled into everything, and that's how they join their team. And then the tension going on from there. It's just know, maybe Jason and Zach were best friends before, and they had a falling out because their lives were different, and those differences led them to where they are now.

01:51:07
Sam Alicea
And so then you've got a little more interesting dynamics within the friend group. Also, Kim's thing, she's not fully guilty, or she has to learn a lesson, but she doesn't, and we don't have time for that. So it just has to be a misunderstanding between friends. And it can't be like revenge p*** or something that bad. It's got to be like it can be bullying, but I think we got to keep it nicer for the children. More color everywhere. God d*** it. More color everywhere throughout this film. And either make Rita bald or just let her be blonde. Let her have her real hair, because that wig is awful, and I hated it. And it was the worst part of the movie. Everything else the hair was the worst part of the movie. No more wigs. No more wigs.

01:51:54
Matty Limerick
No wigs.

01:51:55
Sam Alicea
And then everything else can proceed as it proceeded. That's fine, as long as we shorten most things up. Make a decision about Trini's life. Okay? She either got into drugs or she's gay. F*** it, she's gay. In my version, she's just f****** gay. And her parents are controlling and that's.

01:52:14
Case Aiken
Yeah, like, you might as well lean into it because there were a lot of people who were like, oh, the Yellow Ranger's gay now, at the time, and it's just like hinted at in this that we got. So people are going to like reactionary politics is going to play a part regardless, just by hinting at it. So you might as well just go all in.

01:52:29
Sam Alicea
Yeah. And she can become friends with Billy just because he just is so straightforward, right? Because she's always trying to hide herself and he's a person that's just straightforward and she just likes that he doesn't care about know, and maybe have her be the person that tells the bully to shut the f*** up in the first thing. And I understand we want the Red Ranger to be alpha, but let's give some leading and autonomy to some of our female characters and give her a couple of moments in there with her attitude and that kind of thing. Have her be the initial person that says something to the bully and have the bully do something and then have Jason just come over and slap him. And she could be like, did you just slap him? And just be like, yeah.

01:53:15
Sam Alicea
And just kind of like he just slapped him. And just have be like, yeah, he did just slap him. That is a fact. And kind of just like have them bond in that way. And you can still have Kim meet them in the woods and you can still have your moment of her jumping in the water. Because we all know that's selling tickets. So we get it. We get it Hollywood, but just make it all shorter. Make it all shorter and make it a lot more fun. And let Elizabeth Spanx go even more go even further. She's awesome, she's amazing. But f****** take that wig off her head. It is not working. And fix her costume and give her a crown. I'm done.

01:53:56
Matty Limerick
Give her a crown.

01:53:58
Sam Alicea
She's a queen. Give her an emerald. Really play up. That is a f****** Green Ranger a bit. All right, I'm done. Maddie. Case. Oh, wait. Nick flip. See who goes next.

01:54:11
Nic Woolfe
All right. Heads. Maddie. Tails Case. Heads, Maddie.

01:54:16
Matty Limerick
So Nick had a lot similar to me. So I think from the beginning, I do want to see something a little more sweeping. I want to actually see what's happening. I want there to allude that it's a battle of armies that Rita turned on them in that last second and that we're watching the team just be like, I want to see like become one with the coins and is swallowed into the earth. And then cut to Grove today. That's totally fine. I like that. They're poor town. I think from the beginning, they're all in detention except Kimberly, who has been expelled because of what she did. She has been thrown out of school, but her parents aren't around. They're like rich working people, so they're not actually always there. So Kimberly's pretty much had to raise herself. She's very defensive.

01:54:59
Matty Limerick
And so now Kimberly has literally been thrown out of school. Everybody else is detention. We find out because of Jason and Zach are now not friends because of what just happened. Jason's injured, zach's also injured. And we don't understand why Zach is so angry about it. But then we learn the idea that there is more at stake with his mom later. She's sick. I also played with the idea of maybe Zach is a legal citizen because he was born here, maybe his mom was not those aspects of just little things culturally. Because that's also when were dealing with the idea of the dreamer and the dreamer movement. And I think really kind of solidifying that with that character and giving the higher stakes of why the two of them were there. I agree with Sam. Have Trinity fully lean into being strong.

01:55:43
Matty Limerick
She's strong willed. She is Billy's protector in that moment. Balkan Skull have to be there. I also think for me there are a few Ranger actors who are really good actors from the original series. Like Jason Narvey who played Skull, needed to be their teacher. He has a doctorate in Shakespearean studies. He teaches in Chicago. Like he is the head of a theater department. Like have him do it. Johnny Young Bosch should have been in this movie. I think Karen Ashley should have played Billy's mom. They're just those few cameos. They're good actors and so I don't think it would have detracted any. I think for me, the casting, everything else is just going to stay the same just because that's kind of the realm that we're working in.

01:56:23
Nic Woolfe
I forgot to bring it up, but since I did put Ernie's in my pitch, I do want to bring Paul Shriyer as this version's. Ernie like running the juice bar but also as Easter egg. He looks like his character from Hyperforce. So maybe there's something else going on.

01:56:39
Matty Limerick
Yeah. And so I like the idea that Billy had lost his dad and he's kind of reclused himself since then and he is accidentally blowing things up at school. It's the classic, like everybody's acting out in their own way. Trini is acting out because she's like I don't want to say turn her into an SJW kind of character, but also have that she is the defender of the little guy and it's because she's trying to make up for the fact that her parents are emotionally abusive. You don't even need to make them evangelical. But she is queer. She's clearly come out to them and they're just like not having it with her. And so she's like, fine, I'm going to be the worst version of myself just to prove you wrong or prove you right. One of those things.

01:57:17
Matty Limerick
But Jason and Kim are still friends. I agree with you Sam, that she's not completely at fault, but I think she's the one that gets blamed for it. And so she and Jason are still friends and so Trinity stands up for billy and then when Balkan skull maybe and then Jason steps in at that point and Zach's like, oh, that's really nice of him. So they somehow all end up at the quarry together still because Billy's like thanking them and all these things. Because I think for me, I really want to take Wild Force page and have it where we think Trinity is going to be the leader for most of this, which is why Rita goes after her. When Jason ends up actually being the Red Ranger and Rita starts feeling those little seeds of like, oh, let me pick that one.

01:57:58
Matty Limerick
She's the one that's going to be able to get me in with the rest of the Rangers. I like the idea that they find the coins that way and that Kimberly shows up because she's like, well, I'm just sitting at home. And he's like, are your parents even home? And she's like, I'll be there in 20 minutes. Like those things of like, we're seeing that rebellious streak with her. But again, they're not bad kids. They just ended up in bad situations that they decided to take the fall for or had to take the fall for. Really streamline this whole story, cut down on all the explanation I like from the beginning of that really hard sword on, I want to keep kind of running with that.

01:58:29
Matty Limerick
I would like a little more danger with him where it's that idea that he is seeing them as tools, not as actual people. But I also like the idea that they've all been in stasis until the five coins are activated and then the ship activates, then Alpha activates. Alpha and Zordon are reeling with the fact that a millennia has passed all of this time and then that's like when we see Rita being destroyed, we actually see her in a pseudo armor, but she gets swallowed by magma, like molten thing. And so that's when it's something with the quarry and Sam, it's the same thing where there's an explosion and it's not Billy, it's actually Rita's coin activating when their five coins activate and that's why they end up running away and then Rita is able to come from there.

01:59:16
Matty Limerick
Most of that middle for me stays a lot of the same again, just kind of cutting down as much as we can on that story. Keeping Krispy Kreme. I agree. I think we need them to morph much earlier. I think there needs to be conflict between Trinity and Jason, which then leads to Rita showing up to try to get Trinity and then have the Megazord show up just a little bit sooner. I like the cameo. I think having them be the heroes for Angel Grove because it is that important, where Zordan's like, no one can know who you are. So to give them that idea that the face of the Rangers is there. I love Rita being smacked into space. I think I'm along the same lines. We need two post credit scenes.

01:59:57
Matty Limerick
The first one is the Tommy Oliver scene, which I think is very important because Dean Israelite said it was going to be a female character. I think we need to keep that going into this sequel because then Trinity is the love interest in Green With Evil, the second movie, Green With Evil arc trinity is that's why in.

02:00:13
Nic Woolfe
My pitch I made Kimberly queer because Kimberly and Tommy, their relationship is so famous in the fandom. And also it raises the question, OOH, who's going to be cast as Tommy in the, like, drive up some hype.

02:00:27
Matty Limerick
Oh, yeah. I also think that we need to see scenes between Alpha and Zordon of like, why has no one come for us? And Alpha is trying to get a message out to the fleet, to their army. They're trying to see if the race is even still in existence. And then finally, when the battle is happening and the Zeocrystal is unearthed, we see during the battle that a message shows up on the ship and Alpha's like, oh, no. And then it's just kind of a thing between the two. And then the last post credit scene would be Rita landing on an asteroid or something and we just see a metallic and red foot, like red muscle foot to imply that, yeah, something's coming back and it's going to be a little vile because maybe Zed isn't right till the third.

02:01:16
Matty Limerick
But we need to know why Rita shows back up on the planet with more power. Like for her to show back up in the next movie and suddenly have the crazier costume and she's silver metal now instead of gold. We start seeing that maybe it's Master Vile shows up whereas Zed is now giving her power, something like that. To then set up Zed show up in the third movie I think would work really great. But that's kind of my pitch. Keep it mostly the same. I would redesign most of the movie because to me, I think a really cool thing would be pulling in cyberpunk armor, almost this idea that it's neon projections is the color.

02:01:52
Matty Limerick
So it's this idea that they are an armor, but then they maybe have a shielded armor on top of that can falter and tie them in with their Zords. And just kind of those ideas, I think would just be the design for me, I think is where I would change more. But it would just be bringing that situation, bringing in a different design team. That would just be the biggest thing of where I know it's hard to do, but enough movies have done it that I would just say redesign that team. But otherwise, I think story wise, it's almost there. And I think leading into some of the humor in camp and bringing it down to a PG rating, like, we got one really gross milking joke, but try to avoid Fart humor in it because that would just make the movie bad.

02:02:27
Matty Limerick
But that's for me. So, Case, what do you got?

02:02:30
Case Aiken
Forest well, so, I mean, a lot of the notes are kind of shared here. I think that we agree that the story is almost there. There's a couple of awkward spots that they don't take advantage of enough of and that the movie is just too dark. Like, the fact that it's a PG 13 movie when it really should have been a PG so that you can get kids in the seats and then sell toys would have made this movie a way more successful thing. So the goal has to be just generally across the board getting it to that range. Otherwise you're just making the Guyver. And that's cool, but that's a different thing than what this was going to be.

02:02:59
Case Aiken
So scenes like where they all grab, like, lead pipes and chains so that they can go beat up people, I have a note where it's like, oh, s***, did this just turn into Double Dragon? And then on filmjoy they were like, oh, it's turned into The Streets of Rage. But considering the fact that because this movie didn't do well enough and it didn't get a sequel, I think we can all agree it was final fight. So we got to get it down from there. First up, you got to shave off like a million dollars somewhere so you can give it to Ron Wasserman and have him write a new theme song for this. Yeah, like a new theme. Either the opening credits or it could be the actual end credits, but like a new song for this team specifically for Ron Wasserman.

02:03:34
Case Aiken
I like that we get, like an updated version of the original song. I almost would have preferred the original because it's not updated enough in a way that's particularly interesting. It just sounds like they didn't want to pay all the same royalties. But yeah, they've got the power drop when the Zords come out. And at the time, it was already kind of dated, let alone now when it's in black. Adam and they do the exact same scene. And Kanye has gone way more off the rails, I think it's fair to say. So lots of license drops in there that probably weren't doing it enough for what we actually got out of it all. It would have been nice to have some more just like rock and score and not have to be specifically a pop song that we're aware of.

02:04:11
Case Aiken
But yes, I think that we are missing the Wasserman factor. We need a song from Ron Wasserman. Like, he's so instrumental in the success of this franchise as a whole that we should have found some way to get that in there because I think that would be huge. I think that the Breakfast Club setup is a sufficiently strong motivation to get them all in the room together. I think that having Billy have some familiarity with the mine also works well enough as a reason for why they should all go look out at it, or specifically people who actually want to go down. I find it so strange that everything is f****** surface level except for the actual ship itself. Like the Zeo crystals almost at surface level. The coins themselves are at surface level.

02:04:49
Case Aiken
I think that mine people should have been f****** mining and caused an explosion, releasing Goldar and Rita. I think Goldar makes sense here because I was going back and forth on it the second Nick said it, I was like, yeah, got to have at least some lieutenant for her. She's really weak. He's what much stronger. His whole deal, though, is he needs her to line him with gold the way that he is. He should be base monster. And then Gold, through the magic of Rita, fills up around him. And that's where we get that make your monster grow bit at the end of the movie. It should be like rising up around him and forming into an armor that is this huge hulking mass. And then that way you can kind of have the best of both worlds.

02:05:27
Case Aiken
You can have interesting stuff coming from her magic. You can actually do the make my Monster grow, but you can still have him be an independent character. Earlier in the so, like I'd say, miners are working in this mine. There's some kind of explosion. It doesn't release them immediately. Billy is excited about this whole thing because he's like, my dad was identifying something right there, and that's going to create a crack that goes on this fault line. And right there is this thing that my dad was sure was there, but he never got a chance to dig to because he died too soon. Like something like that. And then sure, if you really want to have lots of big stories for everyone, you can have them meet up or someone, not be part of the group or whatever.

02:06:02
Case Aiken
But if we're trying to have economy of storytelling and get them all to the quarry as fast as we like, have them go investigate, and that's when Rita escapes. She can go, and then sort of pass out because of the energy it takes to free herself from whatever entombing factor there is. But there's Goldar and then there's some putties, and the putties attack the kids and they have to run. Or you could keep the car chased.

02:06:23
Nic Woolfe
The way it happens.

02:06:24
Case Aiken
But I don't think that they should die and then just wake up in their beds, whatever that action beat is. If it's them being chased by security or them running for putties, either way, they should fall through some kind of hole into the waters and get to the ship. We don't need that whole interlude of them discovering their powers right there. Because for one, I think. That the powers are way too vast to be that interesting. Like, they're already superheroes by the 30 minutes mark of the movie. They just don't have their super suits yet. And sure, Rita outclasses them, but they're really f****** powerful and it's kind of unnecessary. It's not interesting to see them learn how to fight because they're not doing anything with their powers, and they're not expected to be actually good fighters as a result of them being powered.

02:07:06
Case Aiken
So it kind of, like, kills both sides of it. So have them go in there. I think that the whole deal of them not having their s*** together should be having their s*** together enough to control the Zords, not the Morphing part. I think we all said this to some effect, like, get them Morphing sooner, and so we can have it happen earlier on. It doesn't have to happen immediately, but we should introduce the options of it. Like, they're clearly bonded to the coins. It's clearly working with them energy wise, and they have now seen this monster firsthand, or at least the Putties firsthand. Maybe they didn't actually see Rita and Goldar, but at least they're aware of this whole thing. Murders are happening. They know bad stuff's occurring. We can have them doing training montages.

02:07:43
Case Aiken
They could be bad at like, they don't have to be good at, like, it has to be a thing that they're aware of. Maybe that's how they if they are confronted by the Putties, they are able to escape having Morphed, but aren't able to maintain it and thus fall into the ravine. Whatever. Because, yeah, I think that the big beats there are mostly fine. So I would say, honestly, some of the language is my bigger issue. As a result of how they've shaped all the monsters in this, everything they fight is either some kind of construct summoned by Rita, or Rita, who is explicitly very bad. And so there's a lot of language in this of like, we'll kill you. And it's like, don't say it that way. You're already dealing with non living entities for the most part.

02:08:24
Case Aiken
You could just kind of roll back on that one. And this is where we're all just saying, brighten the colors, make this Guardians of the Galaxy, not Winter Soldier. It's a stock superhero movie, and you could have very easily had it be energetic and interesting. And it's really close, honestly, a lot of this could just be cut down. You could probably shave ten minutes, which is nothing, but you could shave ten minutes off this movie and get it to a pretty tight fighting weight just by that. A lot of my takes are like, God, I wish everything was buried deeper. Like, the fact that when they're going for the Zeocrystal, they should be, like, cutting deep, deep into the f****** planet. That's great.

02:09:02
Nic Woolfe
I like that.

02:09:02
Case Aiken
We got a lot of time with the Zords fighting solo. That was always the complaint people had because it was harder to animate the puppets for the individual Zords as opposed to just having a person in a suit. So I get that. I do think that the Megazord should have more interesting interlocking mechanisms and should be a visually interesting thing for everyone, as opposed to kind of a generic gray thing that has a couple of highlight points, like have big color, have big red chest, like have multicolored legs. But again, while I have a lot of nitpicks on it all, and I agree with a lot of the takes on this, I think that's fairly close with some design issues and just being too bloated.

02:09:40
Case Aiken
And even stuff like Kimberly, like being a cyberbully, you know, where this movie gets better is if you cut out her being happy that her friend's car got destroyed, then at least she's all of a sudden there's no contradictory information to her being upset about how she handled it.

02:09:55
Sam Alicea
We just move on with our lives 1000%.

02:09:59
Case Aiken
So I'm very glad to chat about this movie with you all. It's been a couple of years. I mean, it's been six years since it came out and wow, I can't believe I was podcasting when it came out and that it's been that long. But it's fun to look at and fun to kind of discuss, especially because it is like, good but not great. Yeah, the worst I was feeling about it when I first saw it was that it was like a generic movie. And I stand by that. The end credit sequence looks like that someone had the after effect files for Transformers, and I get that Zeo Crystal, but it's just like easy rendering of stuff that their suits look a little too much like Iron Man combined with Transformers.

02:10:30
Case Aiken
That the Zords look too much like the Transformers stuff that clearly computers had figured out how to do a bunch of these things so they could do it, in theory, cheaply. But it's a hundred million dollars and they didn't make double their budget, let alone any more than that. And they should have been able to because f****** Power Rangers is a long standing franchise that I mean, one is known for being cheap, but two is perfect for the recipe of like, this would be popular in China. You've got masked characters riding robots. Like, it should work internationally very well, and it doesn't, which sucks.

02:11:01
Nic Woolfe
Agreed.

02:11:03
Case Aiken
So Nick, thank you for bringing this movie to discuss. Give your plugs. Where can people find you? What have you got going on?

02:11:09
Nic Woolfe
First, I kind of want to plug some people who helped me figure all this out. I want to give a shout out to King of Doma at Kingofdoma Tumblr.com for really helping me figure out what I want to do with Jason and Bulk and Skull. To my good friend Musa the 14. He also helped me iron everything out. He's Musa. The 14 on DeviantArt Musa art on Twitter and Moose art on Tumblr. And as for my own stuff, I'm nyck. N-I-C McNick on Instagram. I'm probably going to be posting a lot more there and also want to plug my Reddit account, Nyck O-U-N-T where I basically do a lot of this. By the time this podcast comes out, I'll have posted a fun little crossover thing between how the original Yu GI oh series and JoJo's bizarre adventure makes more sense than you think.

02:12:12
Nic Woolfe
Had a lot of fun with that. Oh, there's one more thing. So next week I'm going to be going on the Film Rescue show. We're going to be swapping out morbius for The Amazing Spiderman Three. That could have been nice. And as like a little teaser for that. Gwen lives.

02:12:31
Case Aiken
Yeah, we've had Seth from Film Rescue on before, and I'll actually be on Film Rescue also sometime coming soon, although this episode is banked fairly far from when it's going to be releasing. So I actually probably would guess that both your episode and my episode will have dropped by then.

02:12:48
Sam Alicea
So go back and find those episodes.

02:12:50
Nic Woolfe
Yeah.

02:12:50
Case Aiken
Go back to the film rescue show. Go back in time.

02:12:53
Sam Alicea
Yeah.

02:12:54
Case Aiken
Maddie, what have you got going on?

02:12:58
Matty Limerick
As always, I am the host of Saturday Morning Confidential here on certain point of view that is at Smcpod on Instagram. We got rid of the Twitter and it's Saturday morning. Confidential on Facebook. We've got a couple new series that come out under the label of Saturday Morning Confidential. So we've got Late Night Double Feature once a month, which is everyone's favorite magical, never gonna happen film double feature and everyone is a different guest host. It's a lot of fun. They're the weird and wonderful and you'll love it. We're also doing The Champions Path twice a month, which is Pokemon podcast with people who are trainers all over the world, have been fans the whole time. And then also weekly we have going up and are you being served? Podcast, which is a retrospective podcast about the British comedy series Are You Being Served?

02:13:41
Matty Limerick
From the through the rest of this year. So lots going on. Also one of the two co hosts of Exit Stage Death, which is now also on Certain Point of View, where I sit down with Emily Martinez, who is an incredible actress, and we talk about theater based true crime stories and flops and just theater stories that are too chilling and strange to be true. But they absolutely are. So yeah, that's us. You can find us here at the Certain POV on the website or on the discord.

02:14:08
Sam Alicea
Nice.

02:14:08
Case Aiken
All right, Sam, where can people find you, follow you? At what point? At what place in the morphing know? Tell us.

02:14:16
Sam Alicea
Well, you can find me here on Another Pass, which drops every two weeks. And you can also occasionally find me on our discord if I remember, but I am currently very busy walking through a quarry trying to find my own superpowers, so I cannot be reached for anything that I said today. So if you have any complaints about what I said, even though I am completely right about the wigs in this movie, you can reach Case At to lodge any complaints and all complaints. And where can they find you, Case?

02:14:47
Case Aiken
They can find me on most socials at Case Aiken, although on Instagram, I am holding on to Dear Life for my high school Aim screen name, which was Ketzel Coatle Five, because I am always pretentious. But you can find the show on Twitter at Another Pass. You can find us at the discord server that Sam referred to. That discord server you can find a link to@certainpov.com where you can find tons of other great, I'm going to give a shout out. This is the first episode we're giving our new editor, Jeff Moonan, so I'm going to give a shout out to one of his shows, which is fun, and games with Matt and Jeff, which we shout out a lot because our previous editor was the.

02:15:28
Nic Woolfe
Now.

02:15:29
Sam Alicea
We love Jeff.

02:15:30
Case Aiken
Yeah, well, they've got tons of great stuff. They've got a patreon going now, so you should all check that out. They've got so many wonderful projects. They started Sidequest, which has since turned into a YouTube series on the Certain POV YouTube channel. But the main show is such a wonderful conversation about video game culture without getting into all of the negativity that is so endemic to that kind of field of discussion. So it's wonderful. You should absolutely check that out, then head back over to Certainpov.com where you can find more episodes of this show we are now running on our off weeks. We are doing retrospectives on early episodes of the show, so actually we're a little ways away from getting back to the Mighty Morphin episode, but it will be coming up in due time.

02:16:13
Case Aiken
But outside of those off week episodes, Sam, what have we got coming up on the next official episode of Another Pass?

02:16:20
Sam Alicea
Well, next time we'll be talking about Highlander Two The Quickening, but until then, if you enjoyed this, pass it on.

02:16:32
Nic Woolfe
Thanks for listening to certain point of view's. Another Pass podcast. Don't miss an episode, just subscribe and review the show on itunes. Just go to certainpov.com Another pass is.

02:16:45
Sam Alicea
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02:17:01
Nic Woolfe
You know what I forgot to put up here? I forgot to put up my original VHS copies of the entire Green with the evil saga. Dang it.

02:17:10
Sam Alicea
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