Another Pass at Another Pass at Transformers (2007)

Case and Sam are looking back at the earliest episodes of the show! Check out their thoughts on the fourteenth episode when Case sat down with Tom G and chatted about Transformers!

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Overview

In a review of Episode 14 of the Another Pass podcast, hosts Case Aiken and Sam Alicea engage in a lively discussion about the original Michael Bay Transformers movie, highlighting its entertainment value while pinpointing areas for improvement, such as the underutilization of Transformers characters like Starscream and a disproportionate focus on human characters, particularly Shia LaBeouf. Originally joined by Tom G, they analyze scenes, praise Optimus Prime's portrayal, and suggest ways to modernize the franchise. The conversation also touches on production insights, including audio editing challenges and the regret over cutting original content. The episode concludes with reflections on actors' career transitions and a preview of future discussions, including the upcoming episode on Age of Ultron, alongside housekeeping notes.

Notes

Transformers Movie Discussion (00:01 - 09:28)

• Case Aiken and Sam Al Saya discuss Episode 14 of Another Pass podcast

• Focus on the original Michael Bay Transformers movie

• Case expresses his positive opinion of the first movie

• Sam agrees the movie was fun and good for big screen viewing

Movie Analysis (09:29 - 18:34)

• Tom G joins to discuss how to improve the Transformers movie

• Both enjoyed the movie but noted areas for improvement

• Praise for inventive use of Transformers' abilities (e.g., Starscream's dogfight scene)

• Discussion on updating Transformers for modern technology

• Criticism of too much focus on human characters, especially Shia LaBeouf

Character and Plot Discussion (18:34 - 26:20)

• Debate on the portrayal of Transformers characters, especially Starscream

• Suggestion to introduce Transformers earlier in the movie

• Criticism of underutilized military characters

• Praise for Optimus Prime's character portrayal in fight scenes

️ Podcast Production Insights (26:20 - 36:04)

• Case reflects on the episode's production quality and length

• Discussion on audio editing challenges and improvements over time

• Regret expressed over cutting content from the original recording

Actor Discussion and Franchise Impact (36:04 - 47:22)

• Analysis of Shia LaBeouf's performance and public perception

• Discussion on the challenges faced by Disney child stars transitioning to other roles

• Reflection on how sequels and actor controversies affected perception of the first movie

Final Thoughts and Future Episodes (47:22 - 59:02)

• Agreement that the first Transformers movie was solid despite franchise issues

• Discussion on upcoming podcast episodes, including Age of Ultron

• Housekeeping notes on recent and upcoming podcast content

Transcription

00:01
Case
This is going to go well. This is going to go real well.

00:03
Sam
Listen, you know, we're living life. We're two grown ups. Supposedly.

00:09
Case
Supposedly. Hey, everyone, and welcome back to Another Pass at Another Pass. I am Case Aiken, and as always, I am joined by my co host, Sam Alicea.

00:24
Sam
Hi.

00:25
Case
And Sam, we are continuing this Naval Gazey adventure of looking at the. The Old Episodes before you actually joined the show, because you came on board officially as the co host on episode 101. And so that means that we had 100 episodes before you were an official co host. And we're looking back at some of these early ones that you didn't have a chance to really chime in and give your opinions on. So today we are looking at episode 14 of Another Pass, which is on the original Transformers movie. And by that, I mean the original Michael Bay Transformers movie, not the 1980s Transformers movie. Right. And I also don't mean Transformers 1, the recent movie that came out, because naming the names for the Transformers movies have just gone completely insane.

01:10
Sam
Yeah, for sure. I mean, they were like the Transformer films that the Michael Bay of it all was never quite seen anyway. But yes, they have gotten more. More deranged as time has gone on.

01:27
Case
Yeah. Yeah. But I will say this was an interesting one of an episode because I actually rather like the original Bay former movie. Like, it's not perfect. There's like some issues that I have with it as a movie, but it lacks most of the issues that I have with the immediate sequels in this. In this franchise and with the larger franchise as a whole. I think that this movie is pretty good. And I kind of go into this episode from that standpoint. So this is one of the first times where I was really challenged with that viewpoint.

01:56
Sam
Yeah, I did definitely notice that. And I actually am in the same camp. I just kind of thought this movie was. It was fun, it was good, it was okay. Not enough for me to rewatch it for this. I don't need to relive that. But not because it was necessarily bad, but just because I think that some movies, and I think a lot of Michael Bay movies specifically, require ultimate enjoyment on a truly giant screen. I think that when you watch them at home. And here's the thing, I am a person who's a big proponent of making media as accessible as possible, which means that I am totally okay with at home, like, releases. Like, I am not the kind of person that's like, everything must be in theater because there are people with challenges and disabilities.

02:49
Sam
And all sorts of things that necessarily make it to a movie theater. And there are some people who. Movie theaters are not very close, so I'm not that kind of person. But I do think that if you. You are the kind of person who'd like to put yourself through seeing a Michael Bay film, I do think it's better if you see this on the biggest screen so you can appreciate all the explosions properly.

03:11
Case
Yeah. This is really a big screen movie in the most pure sense of that phrasing. Like a widescreen summer blockbuster, full stop. Yeah. So that. This was an interesting one for me in terms of the episode itself, in terms of the quality of what people can expect going into this one. It was recorded fairly early in the production of the show. It came out a little bit later than I had initially intended for it to come out. And so from a recording standpoint, I'm still dealing with that same Tascam that has like two different mics of different qualities. I think one might just be flat out dead or it's just really. It's just really bad. And my. So you can hear it that I'm.

03:53
Case
I'm practicing editing to get the audio to be clearer for the both of us, but it results in some levels being all over the place for both of us in this recording. So that's kind of a problem. And then this is a short episode. This is the shortest episode of another pass, actually. It is 27 minutes long.

04:15
Sam
Yeah. You guys really get down into it, really. It has a lot of information there. I'm going to warn people. There's a lot of Transformer lore that is thrown around in this episode. It's very informative, but it's not.

04:30
Case
Yeah, I mean, it's not.

04:33
Sam
I'm just, you know, I don't think. I don't think the people that listen to us are shocked that is true of anything that you have recorded, Case. But I'm just throwing that out there. It's chock full of fun things, even though it's only 27 minutes. And actually I applaud you for letting it be that short because I really do feel like you guys could have gone on with your favorite Transformers.

04:56
Case
Yeah. And in fact, we did go on. So there's a couple reasons for why it's so short and I have some thoughts about that in general and we'll get into more of it when we are on the other side. But I will say so. We did record a lot more than this, but a lot of it was very tangential. Tom the guest on today's episode is a friend of mine from high school. And so we have a lot of, like, a lot of stories and a lot of, like, kind of goofy kind of stuff that we can reference. And at the time, I was trying to. I wasn't really sure what the length of the show was, what the. What the style of the show was. It was still very early in terms of the formatting.

05:31
Case
And even though this one came out a little bit later into the production of the show, it was recorded early on, right? So we. We. We had these, like, chunks of audio, and some of them were, like, really far afield. So much so that I just decided, like, I'm just going to remove this. So I probably cut out about half of. Are recorded like, audio just because it felt tangential at the time. And in retrospect, now, I wouldn't have done that. Like, I. I know that this episode was a lot shorter than I would like. The threshold for the amount of that I would allow on another pass episode is. Is very different now than it used to be. At the time, I just thought, like, no, I want to keep it tight. I want to, like, make this, like, accessible as a show.

06:13
Case
When I didn't really understand necessarily that if people. I mean, let's be honest, if someone's listening to this episode right now, you understand that part of the appeal of the show is the. Is the dynamic of you, me, and our guests. And so having some of those tangents is appropriate, and that. That's a problem now. Another reason for it being sort of structured the way it was that I was still using that task that kind of cut off after about 15 minutes. And so there's a lot of very abrupt cuts. And that's because we stopped recording the Tascam talked for a minute and then started up again and tried to remember where were at. And so there's a lot of that going on in the episode. And so it feels very quick and very clippy, and it's weird.

06:59
Case
I even have a disclaimer at the start of the episode about the timing of it all, which feels quaint in retrospect because there have been so many Transformers movies since this. This is just like a weird one that I recorded intending to release in time for Transformers 5, and then it ended up coming out, you know, a good deal after Transformers 5. But I believe we are on, what, like Transformers 9 right now? Or maybe 8 or 9 right now, assuming you count Bumblebee and Transformers 1 in that, like, seek, you know, however, you would call it all, I don't know.

07:31
Sam
Right. Anyway, that's how I feel.

07:36
Case
Let's let the episode play and then we can talk about our thoughts on it and the movie and all of that. But yeah, why don't we just get into it?

07:46
Case
Hey, guys, Case Aiken here. I just want to throw out a little disclaimer before we begin the episode. I sat down with Tom last year quite a ways before the most recent.

07:57
Case
Transformers movie came out.

07:59
Case
And so we speculate a little bit.

08:00
Case
About what it's going to be like.

08:02
Case
I had intended to put this out.

08:04
Case
Right before that movie came out, but honestly, I kind of just let my eyes glaze over at all the marketing.

08:11
Case
And totally dropped the ball and realized.

08:13
Case
That the movie had already come out.

08:15
Case
Before I'd even started editing the actual audio.

08:18
Case
And then it just kept getting bumped back by episodes related to other movies.

08:22
Case
That I was paying more attention to. So sorry about that.

08:26
Case
Sorry this is coming out a little bit later than I would have liked, but I hope you enjoy. It's a good conversation about what I.

08:33
Case
Would say is the best of the.

08:34
Case
Transformer movies that have had human people in it.

08:38
Case
Thanks and enjoy.

08:41
Tom
Welcome to Certain Point of View's another past podcast. Be sure to subscribe, rate, and review on itunes. Just go to certainpov.com.

08:53
Case
Thank you for.

08:53
Case
Tuning in to another past podcast from Certain Point of View. I'm Case Aiken, and today I'm joined.

08:59
Case
By Tom G.

09:00
Tom
How you doing?

09:01
Case
Now, Tom here is a nerd of a feather, and, you know, we've long.

09:05
Case
Had conversations about various 80s properties, and.

09:09
Case
When were sort of spitballing ideas for an episode, he brought up Transformers. So, Tom, take it away.

09:16
Tom
And my whole thing with the Transformers movie was just a simple little plot point, how to make the movie better.

09:25
Case
Right. Okay, now wait. What do you feel about the movie in general?

09:29
Tom
Honestly, I enjoyed it because it was so stupid that I could just turn my brain off for a little bit and not focus on it. But I also had reservations because I was like, yeah, not quite.

09:45
Case
I like the first one. I think the series as a whole kind of became a bit of a dumpster fire. But that first one, I thought was a pretty good movie. It's not perfect, which is why it's great for us to talk about, because we have ways to make it better. But I thought it was an enjoyable movie. I do understand why a lot of people didn't like it, although I think some of that might be emphasizing nostalgia, which wouldn't necessarily have had the, like, broad appeal. So it's a hard balance with a movie like that.

10:15
Tom
Yeah. I mean, obviously, Optimus prime should not have been a 1980s, you know, truck, tractor trailer like some people wanted it to be. And people like flame decals. What the hell is that regnet crap? But at the same time, you have to update it. I mean, you know, soundwave as an 80s boombox wouldn't work anymore. I mean, some technologies have changed. They can't turn into the same thing. So I understand that.

10:38
Case
I thought they did a lot of inventive stuff with the first one, and I think they contradicted a lot of it later. But the first one did a really cool job of being like, all right, robots in disguise. What does that mean? My favorite scene in that first movie, they've never done anything with since when Starscream was in the dogfight with the other planes, and they kept scanning planes to match the call signs for the other planes, so they couldn't tell who was who in the fight and kept flying around so in confusion. That was a great use of the world that they had set up where the machines could scan something and then change to be like, that thing.

11:18
Tom
And let's not forget, I mean, Starscream, for all his flaws, he was still brilliant at just messing with people. That showed off one of his great character traits. He likes subterfuge. He likes Machiavellian schemes. I mean, Agathron was many things, but he was not. He was just flat out, he was the dictator. Everyone went out and got resources.

11:42
Case
Kick some ass right now.

11:44
Case
I mean, we didn't get a lot.

11:45
Case
Of personality from Starscream in that movie, but I thought what we got was fine. Like, the fact that he was loyal to Megatron in the first movie wasn't a big deal for me because, sure, he'll try to betray him later, but at the time, it was like, we need to figure out what the plan is. We need to get Megatron free because we need to fight the Autobots.

12:03
Tom
But there's always been this kind of this undercurrent of people who've had this absolute love of Starscream. I mean, he's got his fanboys and.

12:10
Case
Oh, yeah, well, he's an interesting character.

12:12
Tom
Yeah. I mean, much better. And, you know, I mean, the late Chris Latta was. I mean, he one of those. Him. Of course, you know, Starscream and Cobra Commander had the same voice, but it was just such an iconic voice. I mean, you hear it, you go, okay, that's the bad guy. I Mean, right off the bat, he was the original Mr. Burns. Harry Shearer does an impression of Chris Latta's original Mr. Burns throughout all these years. So he's able. Chris Latta was able to make very villainous characters in cartoons.

12:39
Case
Right? Well, and there's plenty of other characters going on. I think that's the thing. The first Transformers movie, there are a lot of cool, big scenes. Like, we're not talking about a great movie, but we're talking about, like, some cool, fun scenes with robots who can look like other things. And that was all really cool. Like, I liked how the introduction to them in the first place, it's like, wait, isn't that chopper. Wasn't that chopper shot down? It was. I double checked. You know, we established. Oh, okay. That, like, they're using this purposefully to sow confusion, all of them. That there were protections in place preventing people from just blowing them up because, you know, they had force fields and they had alien metals and all that. They gave convincing reasons for them to be dangerous in the field.

13:20
Case
So I thought these were strong points. The weak points are kind of was that everyone hated Shia LaBeouf, and this was part of his Persona in public for a long time after that. Like, people just didn't like him as an actor, Right? So regardless of how good he was or bad, like, people just didn't like him.

13:41
Tom
Okay, well, back at that time, people didn't know the range that Shia LaBeouf could have. The first experience I ever had of someone even mentioning the guy was a roommate of mine in college. You know how you still had, like, kind of immature shows that you still want to watch when you're college age and you don't really like to talk about it?

13:59
Case
We're talking about, like, the Disney Channel stuff. He did. Disney, even Stevens.

14:03
Tom
This, my roommate, was a huge fan of even Stevens. Every other thing in his life. He was, like, an upstanding, you know, adult and did and was much better put together as a human being than I was. He had a job. He had a girlfriend. He was, you know, putting not. I don't think he was putting himself through college, but he was, you know, working very hard, and he was very studious and very into journalism. And, you know, when. When he was telling me, oh, man, you got to see this. This kid, Shia LaBeouf is amazing in his role. And I'm like, okay. And I watch it, and I was like, okay, it's a fairly. But, you know, there was something about the kid. The kid had something I'M surprised that.

14:41
Case
Someone singled out an actor in a series like that. Like, because I remember even Stevens. I was tuning into some of the stuff that Disney was doing at the time, but can't say, like, when I saw that he was doing movies, I was like, oh, that's the kid from, like, the Disney Channel stuff.

14:57
Tom
Right.

14:58
Case
But I can't remember being like, I remember how well he performed these roles because he did a couple movies before Transformers. He did, like, Holes, and people actually.

15:07
Tom
Gave him some credit for his work in that.

15:09
Case
Yeah.

15:09
Tom
And they said, you know, this is a child actor to look at. I mean, there's always some way that an actor can resonate with somebody or something. Like, first time I ever saw Anderson Cooper was when I was an insomniac in high school. He was the late night news on ABC World News now. And he's just, you know, being anchor at a desk, and I'm like, okay, that's guys going places. I can see that guy, you know, and now everyone knows who the hell Anderson Cooper is. But, you know, I didn't know about his pedigree. I didn't know he was Vanderbilt. I didn't know he, you know, was a CIA intern. All that stuff that, you know, people know now. But, you know, he's. He had a quality that you couldn't quite put into words that said, that guy's anchor.

15:48
Tom
And I don't know if my roommate saw that, you know, and I could see kind of what he was talking about, but I didn't really see it until his couple of his roles now.

15:55
Case
Okay, but that said, so what's your point relating to Shia LaBeouf with transformers?

16:01
Tom
They tried to make him kind of too much the, you know, gee, golly gosh darn everyman. And I think whenever you have a type of that character, I mean, we're dealing with a movie that is trying to get us to care about giant robots. The thing is, we do an entire generation of kids, their heroes were all, you know, robots or soldiers or, like, you know, strange characters. I mean, 80s cartoons. There was even a show about rocks that transformed into robots.

16:35
Case
I am blank. Oh, my God.

16:39
Tom
Yes.

16:40
Case
No, I mean, like, certainly the love of giant robots is real. And I think that's definitely a problem with the later movies where they continue to try to, like, focus on the humans, presumably for cost of CGI robots.

16:50
Tom
And it's just like, you know, I mean, oh, God, Iron Giant proves that you can get people to give a crap about a giant robot.

16:58
Case
Right? But that's a fully animated movie, which meant that everything cost as much to animate as anything else. Versus in the Transformers movie, any actor costs substantially less money than the number of scenes with the same character if he was fully cgi. So I think. Okay, so I agree. Generally, too much of the. Too much people.

17:21
Tom
Yeah. Not enough robots.

17:22
Case
I like the way that they're like, okay, we're going to do a slow introduction. I thought the weird, like, they're all coming rocket scene, like, when the rest of the Autobots show up, was a little annoying. I would have rather they all showed up and then like, Bumblebee was like, specifically the sleeper agent or like the scout going out there. You know, there were a lot of things they introduced in that, and I touched on the being able to scan other devices and copy it. That I thought worked fine. I thought, you know, it would have been cool if they had all the vehicles were stalking the people or, like, stalking Sam as different things. And Bumblebee was the one who was staying the closest. But, like, there was, like, constantly in the background.

18:00
Case
You could see that, like, Mack truck parked somewhere, like in an alley.

18:03
Tom
Like, if you were walking, like, the machines are out to get me.

18:06
Case
Yeah, all the machines. But like. And then when we reveal, oh, they're actually all robots. Oh, that's actually more interesting. But that. Yeah, I mean, I think a little too much Shia LaBeouf and too much Megan Fox and too much of the family.

18:19
Tom
Yeah.

18:20
Case
But I don't want to pare it back too much because I think it was good to introduce an audience in general to the series, just not us who were cartoon.

18:29
Tom
I mean, they met because he was like an oil dock worker.

18:32
Case
Yeah, him and his dad.

18:33
Tom
Yeah, him and his dad. They were everyman, but they were, you know, instead of the G. Golly shucks, you know, suburban. It was like, you know, a more blue collar background. I think more people could have related to someone who's like, you know, a young guy trying to make ends meet, and then all of a sudden he's rust.

18:49
Case
Well, I think they were like machine guys in the.

18:51
Case
In the original series.

18:52
Case
Like, they were. If they worked on oil stuff or energy stuff, they worked with machines.

18:56
Case
Right.

18:57
Case
I mean, they wanted to go with something. Someone who was a. Like we said, like an everyman kind of character. And. And it was kind of fine. It would have been interesting if his dad still is, like, more of a tech guy. Oh, yeah. But they. They went with, like, the doofus kind of play, which is very much a Michael Bay trope. Like, having those, like, really idiot, like, authority figures, you know, that's one of the best parts of Bad Boys too, where everyone who's a boss is frustrated and about to, like, fall apart with anxiety and stress and all that. Like, that's how Michael Bay likes to do his humor. And in this movie, it's not too bad. I think it gets.

19:35
Tom
Again, I have a problem with that.

19:37
Case
It gets worse later. But, like, in this movie, I think most of it still held back a little bit because they didn't know how much this movie was gonna make. So they played it fairly safe and didn't go full dumb. They didn't, like, go full bay. It was BAE with, like, a little bit of restraint.

19:52
Tom
If anything can teach. I mean, there was a cartoon that ran for a short while called Megas xlr, and the big course of that song was I love giant robots. You love giant robots? Chicks love. Actually, I think the word they used was dig. I dig giant robots. You dig giant robots. Chicks dig giant robots. We dig giant robots. That's a thing, everyone.

20:19
Case
Oh, yeah.

20:20
Tom
I mean, right now, I don't know if it's still up in the air, but a Japanese firm and an American firm are basically trying to set up the world's first robot battle.

20:30
Case
Right? And certainly pop culture love giant robots. Like, it's. Yeah, sure, more giant robots.

20:35
Tom
The Russians, the US There. If the universal language is mathematics, the universal application of it is we want to see robots beat the crap out of each other.

20:45
Case
Yes.

20:45
Case
I think we all agree. And this movie has that, like, there's a big fight at the end of the movie where it's robots fighting each other right up until Megatron shows up, and then it's a pretty brutal fight, and then he kills Jazz somehow, even though, like, it's not really that big a deal. He's a robot and his legs are ripped off. Put him back together, and they have. What was it, the spark in the first one or the allspark that, like, was making things. Giant robots, which was cute. I would have liked more explanation for that one.

21:16
Tom
I think if we asked too many questions. I mean, it was meant to be a popcorn flick, but if they did focus more time on the robots, I would have loved that. Because, you know, Optimus prime is a classic character, and if we had to do with some of the personalities, like, one of the greatest things about the Autobots and the Decepticons was that everyone had their motivation. Everyone seemed like, you know, aside from episodes where they're like, hey, let's Introduce more new toys. They throw more. But, you know, the Dinobots had personalities. Even the little cassette tapes.

21:49
Case
Oh, they've got best personality.

21:50
Tom
Yeah. I mean, you know, we never really.

21:53
Case
Had them in this movie. They. Soundwave is reintroduced in the next movie. Although, like, I kind of thought that, like, their version of him was that, like.

22:03
Tom
Did any of the Transformers movies have Shockwave?

22:07
Case
I don't. Wait, Shockwave. Oh, yeah. He was in the third one, and he was voiced by Frank Welker with.

22:14
Tom
Same personality, same kind of like, he's just like a stone cold evil person.

22:19
Case
Yeah.

22:20
Tom
Nice.

22:21
Case
And it was a weird one because then. So Leonard Nimoy came back for that one. Frank Welker was voicing Shockwave. They didn't do that much with him. Like, he was there, but never spent too much time on screen. And then Hugo Weaving was doing Megatron, which was like a weird, like, voice actor thing that they were doing. But again, we're not really talking about the later movies. We're talking about this movie and when it was being made and what people thought it was going to be like. Again, I came away from it liking it. I get that. A lot of nostalgia. People didn't enjoy some of the things that were missing. Like, I would have liked Sam to be Spike. I would have liked if his dad was, like, a little bit more blue collar.

22:57
Case
He could have been the guy who was trying to save up money to, like, buy a car and still be the same basic character. He could have actually been a little bit more on the poor side of the track. And Megan Fox could have been more of the Uptown Girl. You would have had the same dynamic that the movie ultimately had.

23:12
Tom
Just plot device. But that's a great story. Everybody loves that story. And no matter how many times we go through it. You know, the person with the poor side of the tracks getting, you know, attention from somebody else from the other side. People love that people. It would make him more relatable.

23:28
Case
Yeah, but I mean, the cop car chasing. What is that? Prowler. Prowl, I think it was. Either way, the cop car, like, chasing him. And all the scenes with that, I thought worked pretty well.

23:39
Case
I just would have liked more of.

23:40
Case
The robots earlier in the movie, introduce them a little bit faster, and then get to sort of the tension of, like, we've got Megatron, they can't find out where Megatron is and, like, set that conflict up sooner. But that said, this is fairly well done as far as Michael Bay movies go. Like, it's structurally a sound movie. Instead of just like glorifying everything that's going on.

24:01
Case
It doesn't make sense.

24:03
Case
But at least when we are introduced to scenes, it serves the further the plot as we go, which not all Michael Bay movies do that. So. Yeah, like I would have loved, like you said, robots hidden everywhere, Easter eggs early in the movie to set up that they're around. That way we don't have to explain why Bumblebee came first and the other ones came later. They could have said like, okay, and now we're stuck on Earth because were trying to find Megatron, but our means of getting here was a limited thing. We don't get a lot of explanations for it. And I would have rather, I would have enjoyed quick stuff, you know. Yeah, just short explanations. We don't need full detailed reasonings for everything.

24:43
Case
But it would have been nice being like, we're stuck on Earth because were trying to find this one villain who came here before. And basically the trip is a one way trip. And that's why we're here now. And that's why the Decepticons that are in hiding, they are also dangerous. And we can all hide really well from all of you guys. And so set it up earlier on. Ooh, you know what we haven't talked about really? Like we mentioned the military thing at the beginning.

25:07
Tom
Right.

25:08
Case
But those guys, what the hell do they do?

25:11
Tom
Like, they're just a vehicle to get Carl Urban in the movie.

25:15
Case
Yeah. So I actually kind of take it back so it's not as tight as I was implying because I totally forgot that they did anything. I was like, oh, yeah, there is a scene where a giant scorpion pops out of the desert. It was a cool scene. Most of those scenes are actually pretty good.

25:29
Tom
It's like, what the heck are these guys here for?

25:31
Case
Yeah, I guess it was just setting up some basic world building implications and then the military stroking the whole thing.

25:40
Tom
Of the, you know, stuff breaking out. Like in the original thing. I mean, the Spike and Spark Plug were on an oil Derek. You know, military protecting contractors working in Iraq would work great as a way to get all those characters together in the same place. And then we wouldn't have to deal with the whole thing of here. They're in suburbia, they're in the desert, they're all over the place. I understand. Sometimes, you know, a director wants to have a, you know, a global, you know, plot. This is like it takes all place. All over the world things are happening. And so we got a character here in China, someone in Africa Someone in the middle of London. Hey, some people in New York, like, sometimes if you just get your characters in one place and have a damn good reason for it. Actually.

26:20
Tom
Wait. First Transformers movie, chronologically, I may be missing something. We were already doing the whole Iraq thing by the time the first Transformers movie came out.

26:29
Case
Right? I mean, all of them came out after 9 11, if that's what you're asking.

26:34
Tom
Well, no, I would understand if, like, Afghanistan is different, but, like, securing oil stuff. That's more of an Iraq thing. Right.

26:41
Case
Well, either way, I mean, the first one came out, I think it was 2007.

26:45
Tom
Okay, so then I'm definitely off. Yeah, we're far, well into the Iraq war at that point.

26:51
Case
In fact, we're actually kind of getting into the waning period at that point. But military presence was well established, and none of that's weird.

27:00
Case
Yeah, it's.

27:02
Case
This is. This world has been going in such a weird direction where we can just have military presence where there's no act of war, but it's like, oh, yeah, we just expect soldiers to be there now. Like, that's just where it is. And then. And then it comes back to being dangerous, but.

27:17
Case
And maybe more timely.

27:19
Case
I wonder. I mean, it doesn't look like the new one that's coming out has anything to do with the Middle east, but it would be interesting where now there's an active war zone, whereas when that movie came out, it wasn't so much like, the geopolitical landscape has changed a lot.

27:32
Tom
Aren't they doing something with time travel? And they have, like, Transformers in, like, medieval Europe?

27:37
Case
I don't.

27:37
Case
It looks weird, and it has Anthony Hopkins, and it looks like a Thor movie, but with robots, which doesn't sound that bad ultimately, but it looks very weird.

27:49
Case
I don't know.

27:49
Case
I mean, they. This is what, the fifth one? So they did the, like, the trilogy with Shia LaBeouf, right. Then they did the Mark Wahlberg one, and now they're bringing it all together with this one.

27:59
Tom
Okay.

27:59
Case
Labeouf I don't think is in it, but, like, all the other actors, I don't know. It's Transformers. It is ultimately a series about robots who fight each other.

28:08
Tom
Yeah, exactly.

28:08
Case
So that's fine. I just want to see.

28:10
Tom
You just want to hear that. Metal on metal Clay. And you know what I would love if they could get. For the. For the Transformers movies, whoever did the fight choreography in that church scene in the Kingsman, they. Whoever shot that scene, and however they set that up, they have to teach it to Some of the CGI guys and say, okay, look, this is how a hit makes you feel, the impact of it. This is when you throw a punch. I mean, they were just. It was lit perfectly. You could follow what's going on. Sometimes those action scenes got really confusing.

28:41
Case
Actually, I will say, though, a good thing they did in those action scenes in the fight between Megatron and Optimus prime in the first Transformers movie. Every time like, Megatron not only is more powerful, but Megatron is also not holding back. Whereas if you look really closely, Optimus prime is clearly going out of his way to spare human lives as they, like, tumble around fighting. That was a really nice detail. It's a weird detail that you don't really notice the first time because it is very frantic and chaotic. But they put that in there and I thought that was a great character piece for Optimus Prime. And an example that movies since then have not tried to follow.

29:17
Case
Like man of Steel didn't do that and would have been saved so much frustration by fans if Superman was actively trying to prevent injuries when he fights Zod. Like, this was actually a good thing. That Transformers has done better than a lot of the other superhero movies that have come out, which is impressive and.

29:35
Case
Really weird to say.

29:37
Case
And that's why it's hard to fully hate that first movie.

29:40
Tom
No one actually showed a very interesting dynamic about the way Transformers would fight. Have you seen clips from the video game Transformers Devastation?

29:53
Case
No, I don't think so.

29:54
Tom
Okay. It's a cel shaded G1 Transformers video game. We're using original voice cast and yeah.

30:05
Case
G1, by the way, for people who are not familiar with all the Transformers lore is like the 80s cartoon style Transformers.

30:11
Tom
Right. So, you know, you got the bright blues, the reds, the giant green devastators on the COVID Anyway, the game was. I forget who released it, but the development studio was Platinum Games. The same people responsible for Bayonetta for Devil May. Well, when they were Capcom, Devil May Cry, they know how to do insane action. And you can actually do combos where you can transform into your vehicle, drive around, use your momentum, jump up and punch somebody in the face.

30:41
Case
That's awesome.

30:41
Tom
Yeah, I mean, it's a very easy game, but just the way the combos are linked together, it's like they fully realize that, yes, these are giant robots. Yes, they transform into stuff. Hey, let's show what a fight like that would look like.

30:54
Case
They do a little bit of that in this one. Like using the wheels from their vehicle modes as roller blades while they're Trying to fight. I thought those were pretty cool. Yeah. Again, this one, they had a lot of ideas that they throw out later. In the later movies, they're all stuck in whatever vehicle form that they used, aside from an occasional upgrade. Whereas in this one, it seems that, like, the vehicle form is almost a tangential concept. It's really the robot can hide as anything, but it has to be appropriate for its size, which is why I kind of dug.

31:22
Case
Like I said, the Starscream fight is great for that reason stuff with the music player thing, I forget what exactly it was and what it was called, but the thing that was kind of like Soundwave, but not exactly Soundwave, it was hiding on that military vessel. Am I. Am I making up scenes now?

31:41
Tom
For me, the first and second movie actually blend together a little. And that's as far as I got to in this. In the series. After that, I was like. I was never in the headspace where I needed a. I needed, you know, an intellectual, metaphysical enema.

31:55
Case
So I have this theory. The first Transformers movie, I think they actually put some effort into. And then the second Transformers movie was notoriously hamstrung by the Writers Guild strike that happened 2007, 2008, which screwed up a lot of productions. Quantum of Solace is another one that got screwed up that way, where they had to start working on it without the ability to edit. So I feel like they had the first draft and then they had to start making CGI scenes. And once you make those CGI scenes, if you spend a million dollars for 30 seconds, you're going to put that 30 seconds in that movie. Like, you're not going to just toss it.

32:32
Case
So the second one was made a worse movie because of that Writers Guild strike, but then it made more money than the first one, and at which point Michael Bay was like, oh, well, that's what they want. And so that's why the rest of the movies have not redeemed the second one. In fact, they've just gotten worse and gone with this sort of direction. I mean, like, the fourth one was not as bad as the third and second, but, you know, there's. It's just a crazy cluster pants of nonsense. Whereas the first one, I thought was a relatively tight movie with a relatively small cast of robots that had at least a distinct look and voice to all of them, even if it wasn't fully fleshed out personalities. All right, but that's it.

33:14
Case
I mean, I feel like it's a very easy set of guidelines for making this movie better. It's not a full pitch, it's not super detailed. It's just like, let's chop down some of the early stuff, hide some Transformers in the background earlier, and then really hit home the later stuff of the movie. It gets good once the Transformers are all there, and it's not bad beforehand, but I just feel like it drags a little bit. It would have been nice to really focus on the robots in disguise rather than the guy who's running around with them.

33:43
Tom
How sweet. Would have been a dogfight between the jets from the Decepticons and the aerial bots.

33:49
Case
Again, a later movie? No, again, I think we got some really good scenes for that and I just would have liked to sort of trim some of the fat ultimately and then put a few Easter eggs in the beginning. That's my pitch for a better transformers 1. More Easter eggs, little less fat. Tom, thank you for joining me. Can't wait to have you back on to talk about some others, especially 80s properties.

34:11
Tom
No problem.

34:13
Case
But next week we're going to be talking about Highlander 2. And until next time, stay scruffy, my nerf herders.

34:19
Tom
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34:58
Sam
Are you.

34:58
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35:32
Case
And we're back. So, shortest episode ever, right?

35:36
Sam
Yeah, which is. It's not. It's not a bad episode. It's just short. It's good and sweet, that's all.

35:42
Case
Yeah.

35:43
Case
Yeah. Like I said, regret being as tight on the edit as I was with this one.

35:49
Case
There's.

35:49
Case
There's a whole story that he told that I just. That I completely cut and he's so mad that I removed it from the audio.

35:55
Sam
Aw.

35:56
Case
Yeah. I know if I can find it I'll try to put it in the after credits, but I think it's gone anyway. Long story short though is that the audio is probably gone and that kind of sucks. And I feel bad because I can't even remember the story now. But he insists that it was good. When I told him that this episode was coming up, he was excited and he was like, can you. Can you reinsert that? And I was like, yeah, if I can find it, but I don't know. And like I said, I especially. I do feel bad. I felt bad that I didn't give this episode the space to breathe.

36:28
Case
And I think part of that was because I was coming at it still so early in the show's history and a little concerned after the way that The Star Trek 09 episode happened, where it was a movie that I thought was not that bad, that had, like, obvious problems, but was not that bad. And I wanted to make sure that we didn't go into a very negative space or what I felt was a very negative space.

36:52
Sam
Right.

36:53
Case
And not that Tom ultimately was that negative. I think that he was very constructive with the conversation. But I was. I was just very afraid of it going that way, and I didn't want it to. I didn't want the show to be, you know, like, cinema sins.

37:06
Sam
Right. See that? Yeah. Yeah.

37:09
Case
And on that note, we should probably address the fact that there isn't, like, a solid pitch in this movie, because it's already like, no, this is serviceable and, like, fairly good in a lot of ways. So it really just needs to be, like, tightened up in, like, here, and here kind of.

37:21
Sam
Yeah.

37:22
Case
Kind of style, which we sometimes do. We sometimes still do with movies that we just end up actually kind of liking. But this was an early example of that one. And it also kind of a reason for it to feel sort of tight because we didn't have, like, a formal session where we just were like. And he is beat by beat how this movie would better.

37:40
Sam
I mean, but I think I gen. Like, I generally agree with the. I would say the top view that were said. Right. Like, bring robots in earlier. I think. I think, like, that is such a real thing because I remember what, you know, I went to theater to see this film, and one of the things is, like, I was like, wait, like, I wanted to see the giant robots, you know, like. And it took so long to kind of get there for me. And once they did, like, the payoff is great. But yes, I definitely wanted more robots, so I think that is true. And I also really also like the idea of taking Shia LaBeouf's character and making him more, like, exactly what you guys said and making him more working class kind of guy.

38:38
Sam
And, yeah, at the time, and even now, I'm not, like, a huge Shia LaBeouf fan, so, like, you know. Yeah, I agree with you guys on that front in terms of, like, it's fine. The movie was fine for what it was. It was fun. There. There were some really great. I think you finished strong, so I think that's one of the things that becomes so forgiving. You get lots of robot the end.

39:09
Case
Right?

39:10
Sam
So, like, you say you finish strong, but I think most of all, my favorite and probably the thing that I would agree with the most, is I would have liked to see robots sooner. I think even if they had just kind of, like, hinted at things in the background that would have been Easter eggs. Like, you saw, like, a flicker of, like, maybe something transforming, and you'd be like, wait, what is that? Like, that would have been fun, too. I just. I feel like it took a long time for the fun to happen to start.

39:40
Case
Yeah. Yeah. And, like, I think that the pitch that we had of having the Autobots all be on Earth already and kind of stalking Sam throughout the first, like, act of the movie, but, you know, in the distance, just, like, why is there always a Mack truck when we go through this, like, location? You know, like, have all of them sort of be, like, coming around. Would start to tease this world more than what we ultimately.

40:05
Sam
Yeah, I mean, like, it would have been great if, like, the first couple of scenes, like, every time he's just like, you don't eat. Like, maybe even the audience doesn't realize it because the truck is just in the background. And then maybe the third time you see it, like, as he walks by, the. Like, the headlights go off, even though it's not a moment for it to go off, and you're like, wait, there's like, a little sound cue or something. Give us something, right? To just give us more robot time, like, without as much CGI heavy. Because I understand that's, like, part of the budget and stuff like that. And you also have to pay for your explosions. What is Michael Bay? But. But, yeah, I just. I kind of. I think that it's always good to have, like, a human conduit.

41:00
Sam
Like, you know, a POV kind of person who takes you into something and explains the world to you and is. You know, especially when you're restarting something. So that stuff doesn't bother me. I just wanted more time with the robots, and I remember that very distinctly in my head. I'm like, okay, when are we getting to the robots? Where are the Transformers?

41:24
Case
Yeah.

41:24
Case
And I think that slow burn at the beginning of the movie just sort of, like, made its reputation that way. And like I said, if you just teased them a little bit more, then I think people would have been more forgiving of it all. And, you know, because the real problems with the movie, you know, like, the excessive, like, you know, pro military jingoism is, you know, not on the worst display in this movie compared to some of the later ones in this franchise. And thus, you know, is kind of still fine. Like, this movie has not gone into the excesses and the vices of the franchise as a whole yet.

42:01
Sam
Yeah, I mean, it was a good start to a franchise, though, you know, and because you've got all the elements that you need, right? You've got. You've got a protagonist introducing you to the world. You've got kind of a set up for just kind of the reality that they live in. You've got all the robots, you've got an epic battle. So I don't know. Like, I. Clearly, this. This franchise has been successful without me because I haven't watched any of the movies afterwards. But. But it's just kind of one of those things where, like, this is a movie that was fairly successful. Like, just needed, for my taste, a little more tweaking and my butts.

43:01
Case
Yeah, I like, there's so much going for this movie. It's got some pretty good action. It's got good use of the Transformers. I again, want to just, like, say that Starscream fight is so good.

43:12
Sam
Oh, it is.

43:13
Case
Having Starscream transform between the different jets in the. In the dog fight so that they don't have a solid beat on where anyone is a really good use of the Transformer stuff. I think the cast is really good in this movie, especially the voice cast, but the cast in general is really good in this movie. And so there's just really strong stuff and, like, a little bit more teasing to make it a bit, you know, to set up the Transformers stuff a little bit earlier so that you're not dealing with that. And then I don't. I mean, there's really no solution for, like, the Shia LaBeouf just being unpopular at the time.

43:44
Case
Like, he seemed to be the next big thing at the moment this movie was coming out, and just people just decided that they didn't really care for him because he's chasing after you with a knife. Shia. Shia.

43:57
Sam
Yeah. I mean, he is in his own right. Like, has consistently been controversial and he can't help himself. And unfortunately, Because I don't think that he's a terrible actor. I just think that he's in general, not an incredibly likable person. And I think that has always affected how people see him and how people feel about going to support a film that he is in. Right. And. And I think, like, although we didn't know the extent of, like, what a. Not a great person he was at that time, you know, and, like, the extent of all of his future allegations weren't wearing at him, we're still already kind of, like, this buzz of, like, he's difficult and things like that. And so it's already, like, out there. And. And that does color how people feel about you.

44:58
Sam
You know, unfortunately, like, I think performers are always kind of hampered and tied to the fact that they are a brand, which is, like, a very weird thing to say about a person. Right. Like, this is a human being, but it's also a brand. So you have to, like, love Zendaya. You don't know Zendaya, but, like, everyone's gotta love her to want to go see her movies. Right. It's such a weird reality when you think about it, but Shia is definitely, like, he's a victim of the things that people. He does to himself. Like, these are things that he brings upon himself with his own actions. And unfortunately, you know, it does. It does affect the films he's in, and it affects how people feel about those films and whether or not they're going to go see it.

45:48
Sam
And so this film, though, yet again, he was nowhere as in hot trouble as he has been since then. Right. But he was, you know, definitely already kind of in this space where he was looked down upon. I don't think. Like, I think at this point, like, he's more like, just transitioning from Disney, too. Right. So, like, I think that's, like, kind of like a. Yeah.

46:18
Case
This is before we get to Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, which is honestly where his, like, villain era was, like, you know, crystallized.

46:28
Sam
Yeah. Oh, my God. But I think. I think, yeah, that's terrible. But I think, like. But I do think that there is also to be fair to Shia, because I'm talking about him now in present tense instead of, like, the tense when this came out. There's also a stigma from people, especially child stars, but especially Disney child stars moving from, like, Disney and Disney Channel and Disney projects onto, like, other projects. And I don't think that there's been a single one of them that hasn't kind of had the awkward adjustment period where like, the world kind of has to accept them in a new light or franchise. And this not even that far off from something like Holes or something like that. Because Transformers is technically something that is still, you know, very family friendly. You know, like, this is. This was.

47:32
Sam
This movie wasn't like, you know, some sort of rated R, you know, kind of heavy, respectable acting role kind of thing. But I do think in general, there are still people that are like, oh, the kid from Disney, you know, and so there is like, he still. I do think that also affected it too. Like, you know, yeah, kid from Even Stevens from Holes. What. You know, definitely for sure that affected in that time how people would feel about him in this lead role. And especially because he's like, yeah.

48:12
Case
Although I. I would hypothesize that a lot of this is. In hindsight, I think that with this movie specifically, he hadn't really build up, like, the negative reputation the same way. And same for Megan Fox, who also, like, had a bit of a negative rep. She was demonized. A thing that we discussed quite a bit when we did Jennifer's body on the show. The thing is, like, Shia LaBeouf, like, playing Sam Witwicky instead of Spike Witwicky from the original Transformers, like cartoons, like, I don't think is a huge leap. It's, again, it's a show. It's a movie based on a cartoon and a toy line and, like, from the 80s, and it's very young male kind of focus.

48:55
Case
And arguably the maturation process for this one is going from, like, preteens to, like, early teens or, like, demographics in terms of, like, the level of maturity. I mean, you know, we start getting, like, all the boob jokes we get, you know, in the next movie we've got, like, testicle jokes, all that kind of stuff. So I don't think that this movie by itself is necessarily the area where it's, like, the worst. But I will say that thinking back on this movie is hard to separate the Shia LaBeouf stuff. But I think it really gets worse in the sequels, especially the third one, because the third one, he's, like, written as, like, this, like, petulant child. And, you know, I think this movie is affected in all ways by the sequels and by the reputations of the sequels.

49:38
Case
You know, like, the second one's the first movie I can recall as an adult falling asleep in, you know, it. Like, there are a lot of reasons for it, but. But a big part of it was that it was a really fucking boring movie. And that just happened. And the. I was psyched to see the second one because I really liked the first one, and I was excited to see this one because I was a huge fan of the Transformers franchise, and I think this movie does fine. You know, it. It had. It had its issues, but mostly it was the slow burn factor. And now looking back at the franchise as a whole in this movie kind of represents the franchise because it's the first one. It does have these, like, this, like, baggage from everything, you know, from.

50:20
Case
From just how bad the sequels were, from, like, what happened with Megan Fox, from all the Shia LaBeouf stuff, from the fact that we get to the fourth movie and Mark Wahlberg is dealing with, like, statutory rape laws in Texas. And they have to be, like, very specific about what counts and doesn't count because it's just a weird movie. But, yeah, like, this one, none of those problems are there yet. And you might even think you see them because you're looking at it in reverse. But I don't think they were really there at the time. And I think this movie is a pretty solid entry, and it's just that it didn't have a franchise that I think really worked after this one.

50:58
Sam
Yeah, I think they kind of. I think what you said in the episode about them just not being quite sure, like, how this movie would do and, you know, where they would go from here, I think that's pretty apparent, especially because I feel like, for lack of a better term, the boss battle, the final battle, is such a battle that I don't feel like it was, like, necessarily like, they closed the door completely on the idea of a sequel. But I feel like this is how this first movie has a satisfying enough end, that should they have not have done well and should they not get any more chances to make any more movies? Like, you could watch this and be like, man, I liked this. I wish they had made more.

51:48
Sam
And, like, I think that, like, genuinely, you know, everything that's to come, you know, even, like, because we mentioned Megan Fox and her being the line. I mean, like, there are things out there to suggest that Michael Bay was a big part in making sure that Megan's character was further maligned and really, like, it was a turning point for her. And in the future movies, their working relationship really deteriorated to a point where there was a lot of friction, which I know has kind of come together fix now, and they're both adults about it. But I know that, like, she did have complaints about, like, how she was treated on set and about her character, and then he did fire her, you know, in future. So there's just, like, a lot that happened between the two of them.

52:45
Sam
And it's so interesting because this movie itself, totally a fine standalone film that, like, I feel like they made, and they were like, hey, like, this is gonna be like a fun blockbuster. Get your popcorn, bring your kitties. There's gonna be jokes in it for kids. There's gonna be jokes in it for adults. Don't worry. Bumblebee will keep it clean because he doesn't say nothing. And we're gonna, you know, and we're gonna watch giant robots.

53:14
Case
Right?

53:15
Sam
It's gonna be awesome. And if that's all we get kind of thing. And, you know, and that's part of why it was successful, because it was a summer blockbuster and people wanted to have the fun of seeing robots beat each other up.

53:35
Case
Yep.

53:36
Sam
Yeah.

53:37
Case
Yeah. So, yeah, so, like, this.

53:40
Case
This movie, again, was.

53:41
Case
Was. Was perfectly fine and, you know, had a couple of small areas to tweak, but was overall pretty strong. And it just had kind of a rough franchise to follow. It is the worst part all, but I'm happy to revisit it again. This is a weird one for me, looking at it as an editor because I can see all the areas where I was getting better, but also still didn't know what I was doing as an audio editor. And then at the same time as a host, I can really hear that I'm struggling to find my routine and my rhythm and I would get there later.

54:18
Case
And you can hear it in episode, like the episodes just prior to this and then the episodes that will come right after this, I will have it much better because it's just that level of progression between it and this happened to be an episode I recorded earlier and released later. Cool. Well, yeah, there's no reason to make this the no. We can be the shortest episode of app or of another pass. Could be still the shortest episode of app.

54:45
Sam
Let's keep it real. Let's keep it real to the episode. Smacks the energy.

54:51
Case
Let's keep it tightened. Tighten to the point. So, yeah, Sam, where can people find you and follow you?

54:59
Sam
Well, they can find me here whenever we do an app or a regular another pass episode. Or they can find me occasionally on discord at our discord that I sometimes remember exists. But if they have any complaints that I said, like, if you were a huge Michael Bay fan and you thought that I was too harsh about his explosions case at.

55:28
Case
Well, you can find me on our Discord. Well, just. Just find me. My name is Case Aiken. You'll. You'll find me there. You can find me on most of the platforms that say that have. You can find me on most platforms at Case Aiken. You can find me on Instagram, which is my big exception at etzelcoatl5, which is my aim screen name from high school that I'm holding onto for dear life. Yeah. So you can find us all here. Find the show Housekeeping. We normally do Housekeeping when we do these bonus episodes. So this is the 14th episode of another Pass, which means that our previous app episode was Zoolander 2. And our next one is going to be on Avengers Age of Ultra.

56:14
Sam
Oh, boy.

56:17
Case
That one is a Ben and Addie episode. So the audio quality is pretty good. It's a pretty fun one. I came pretty positive with Age of Ultron. I had some really good points that I think we continued with. I think it is a mid Avengers movie, but there's stuff to like in it.

56:33
Sam
Yeah. I actually also agree and I actually cannot wait to listen to the episode and talk about my views. Actually might re watch that one. So I can really give my views on it.

56:46
Case
Yeah. Now, as far as full episodes of the show, let's see, we've got the most recent episode that dropped when this is coming out will be on the Grudge. And the next one to come out right after that will be on Solo. And we're joined by Randy Elaine from the Media lit podcast for that one. That's a really fun one. He came with a lot of really good insight into the movie. So it's going to be a fun episode. I'm looking forward to that one dropping. And let's see, we'll be back for Solo as the next episode of Another Pass. We will be back for discussing Age of Ultron for the next bonus episode. And otherwise just, you know, I was.

57:48
Case
About to say stay scruffy.

57:49
Case
My nerve Herders. But that's not right. If you enjoy the show, pass it on.

57:56
We Have Issues
All right, Josue, let's go through our new comic day stack. We have a lot to review.

58:00
Sam
I know.

58:01
We Have Issues
Maybe we've gone too far. Let's see. Marvel, of course, dc. I got Image, Dark Horse, Black Mask, Boom. Idw, Aftershock, Vault, of course, Madcave, Oni, Valiant, Scout, Magma, Behemoth. Wow, that's a lot. Well, all we need now is a name for our show. We need a name for a show about reviewing comic books every week. Something clever, but not too clever. Like a pun. It's kind of cheesy. Yeah, something that seems funny at first, but we might regret later on as an impulsive decision. A few dozen episodes in. Yeah, we'll think of something. Join Keith and Oswe for we have Issues, a weekly show reviewing almost every new comic released each week available on Geek Elite Media and wherever you listen to your podcasts.

58:49
Case
Perfect.

58:50
Case
Yeah.

58:54
Sam
It stays scruffy.

58:58
Case
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