Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai with Ned Donovan

When the citizens of New York are being haunted by the specter of a canine, it’s up to four unlikely hero scientists to save the day. That’s right, it’s GhostBusters 3: Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai, with special guest Ned Donovan @neddonovan of The Hunted: Encore https://www.thehuntedencore.com/ and Encounter Party @Encounter_Party.

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When the citizens of New York are being haunted by the specter of a canine, it's up to four unlikely hero scientists to save the day. That's right, it's GhostBusters 3: Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai, with special guest Ned Donovan @neddonovan of The Hunted: Encore https://www.thehuntedencore.com/ and Encounter Party @Encounter_Party.

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Bret: episode of let's watch the show we watch movies that we loved in our youth and find out if they're still any good heck yeah

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Ash: different punching Brett after what he did in the last episode

Pat: it was from biohacking so hard know I love that Brett last episode

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Bret: it was a no

Ash: you're going to be like Vin Diesel

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Ash: it's pretty good

Pat: man that song is way too enjoyable it hurts my it like hurts my brain how much I like that song I'm angry at you ask I know I need to go listen to it again

Bret: am I the only one that doesn't want to hear Vin Diesel just like gruffly mon into a microphone that's not my jam

Pat: yeah yes

Ash: it's actually not bad though you should

Pat: Have you listened to it yet

Bret: are you hearing listen to it

Sam: yeah he has I haven't he's picky

Bret: Summer Jam I don't know I'm not into it

Ash: yeah no kidding

Bret: black eyebrows introduced to it through via the clip from the Kelly Clarkson show of the virtual audience dancing awkwardly

Ash: oh my God yeah that was bad

Pat: that's a weird sentence

Bret: self that might have colored my experience a little bit

Ash: yeah you shouldn't have listened to it that way that way was weird

Pat: who's this person staring at me from the corner

Ash: oh that's mad hey Dad I mean you guys are cool with me letting a man write a mask but this week we have Ned Donovan as our guest welcome

Ned: haysi waves that I realize this is a podcast

Bret: emote emote

Ash: yeah the audience could clearly see you waving definitely

Sam: they felt that they felt the center

Pat: Slater

Ash: if you wave with enough enthusiasm they will feel it

Ned: with that attitude you have to write

Bret: you probably wave are enough to get a little bit of that air flow into the microphone I'm doing it now so YouTube

Sam: remember that time it was Pat spot birthday and I bought the blowers that didn't make sound

Ash: oh that was pretty good

Bret: yeah we bought we bought party blowers and we were going to surprise him or like like a happy year anniversary and like

Ash: I love lettuce audio media van

Pat: it's a perfect analogy for me you know a lot of build-up in high up in the discipline

Bret: just a lot of hot air

Ned: if I know one thing about podcast is that sight gags are the best trick to get your audience in

Ash: absolutely and speaking of podcast you are a podcast Creator and actor a director or I'm sorry producer you also have a web series The Haunted tell us about all of your stuff cuz you have the haunted Encore I didn't finish the name sorry oh sorry

Ash: oh no

Ned: thank you for completing the name and I will I will correct you slightly only because there is a other web series very similar to ours called The Haunted we are the hunted Festival circuit with them pretty frequently and we would get screen together and everyone would get

Ash: oh no

Ned: so yes hi I'm dead I am I am a lot of different iPhones mostly because I got a degree in musical theater performance and had a bunch of people tell me I would have a very good career when I turned 40 and I was 23 and went well and started doing other things to fill my time I worked for a while as a stunt person and so I did a lot of work in in fight choreography and stunt coordination and that led me down the path of various things and then II back in 2015 was feeling very artistically stifled so one of my best friends and I made an album which is 10 show tunes from 1960 or earlier Rewritten for today's radio with a bunch of Broadway stars and

Ash: is it as good as the Vin Diesel song though be honest

Pat: I respect that energy oh no

Ned: honestly like Vin Diesel can get out my albums better and you know what though I will say I will say the the celebrity song from Marvel Cinematic Universe we all should be talking about is Jeremy renner's Heaven don't have a name because it does have a name it's heaven like it's in the title and so the the hunted Encore is an action-comedy Rock musical mockumentary web series about New York City vampire slayer's it is shot it is shot on a single-cam shoulder-mount where the cameraman is a character and it is filmed is a documentary chasing these vampires layers around New York City everyone plays themselves I'm Ned I'm an actor also vampires and it's a wildly weird show that two seasons of which exists online

Ash: is it really a mockumentary nest you really kill live by

Pat: the great cover

Ned: clear I do and we sing about it it's great and so yeah

Ash: you're doing a feature sure sure right now that's why you had to travel

Ned: that's true hi everyone I'm in I've normally live in Brooklyn New York I'm currently in Kentucky cuz I'm starting shooting on a feature film on Monday which is exciting and and hopefully hopefully it goes somewhere that I can I can enjoy to share it with people later but I have films many a movie where that didn't happen so we'll see and then as a podcaster my first podcast is called at the table a play reading series we produce new plays from emerging play rights as audio dramas with Broadway actors and then I started working in that field for a while and then my current show that takes up the majority of my time is called in counterparty and counterparty is 6 professional voice actors and artists battling through an epic Dungeons and Dragons campaign

Ash: nice very cool

Ned: that's me in a nutshell

Bret: that's a lot of projects

Ned: thanks I don't sleep

Ash: I know that feeling.

Pat: my fault probably

Bret: that's how I feel at editing just R1 show I'm like how did this take like 8 hours to do and I cannot imagine doing like 5

Ash: is it all the times that Pat explains my jokes and then

Ned: my girlfriend gets mad at me consistently cuz she'll gecko like you don't have anything tonight can we hang out

Ash: you knew what you were getting into baby

Ned: she does not like it when I say that

Ned: if you're listening don't break up with me please

Sam: I think of you didn't say it Ashton

Ned: that's true get it Ash great work

Ash: I can call her if you want

Sam: Uber excellent what could go wrong solid plan

Ash: it's like the

Ned: it's a great plan

Bret: well at the cameo

Pat: cameo

Ash: I'd like those celebrity things we can hire a celebrity to like say something and you

Ash: it is weird

Ned: Cameo I find Cameo so weird and disconcerting if someone ever paid to send me a cameo I would be very very very concerned

Bret: I mean Cameo from the creators of fire Festival cameo

Ash: yes yes it is

Bret: yeah okay well

Ned: but also I want to start I want to start sending people cameos from celebrities they don't know who it is like I want to I want to send like like my my musical theater friends a bunch of sports stars and I want to send like a bunch of like my podcast friends like a bunch of singers and just like see what happens

Bret: Cameo has a whole section of like YouTubers and she's like no one's going to appreciate this

Ash: ouch

Ned: except for the kit the kidlets do the kidlets do

Pat: I mean the YouTube that says breaking through there is a drink you can get at Dunkin Donuts right now that's named after a tick tock star

Bret: holy crap what

Ash: this is how Pat measure success if you have a drink named after you you are successful impossible

Ned: honestly the only goal for my career is going to Dunkin Donuts drink named after me thank you very much

Pat: like Halo bracer to Main Street and that like like a massive corporate like retail fast food chain is like aware of you enough to know that like okay we're going to name a drink after you

Bret: I mean that was a little bit joking I definitely watch more YouTube than I do actual TV so

Sam: I mean coyote Peterson

Bret: from coyote Peterson

Ned: I don't know who that is either

Ash: I don't know who that is

Sam: oh my God

Bret: he's like the new he's a new Animal Planet duties like I remember all those videos or the guys like I'm going to get stung by this thing and like he would do he just hurt himself on YouTube for for children

Ash: Oh you mean like Steve Irwin

Ned: 112

Pat: she's got animal is an animal show his name is coyote that's a little on-the-nose bro

Ned: it's like a little bit it's too it's too on the nose really

Sam: you guys you guys can sit on this all you want but until you watch it I don't want to hear a peep out of you it's so good

Ned: this is me pee pee

Ash: speaking of not wanting to hear it out of you guys before we actually get to the movie we are watching Ned none of these assholes f****** seen snakes on the plane so I couldn't get them to choose it and I'm so mad

Sam: I chose it

Pat: I would have been fine with doing it

Ned: cuz I was I was in the first I was in the first showing in America the first audience to see Snakes on a Plane in a theater

Ash: I thought in theaters dressed up with snakes on it was great

Bret: I mean I think we're going to have to

Ned: I used to wear I used to wear a t-shirt to high school that that just said so amfp and no one ever knew what it meant

Ash: oh man

Ned: great I would have teachers next self-neglect don't Google it

Sam: that's a that's a great room

Bret: we'll have to come back and do that one eventually because absolutely

Ned: can I come back and do it like if you do the eventually can you just call me great

Ash: yes it's so much fun oh my God and it's like I'm not going to say it's good

Sam: wow what

Ash: and you're like no

Ned: what a film I want to talk about one moment of that film just real quick because there's a moment where the bad guy who has spoilers play Snakes on a Plane he gets approached by one of his like guards his boss are you sure we could do that we should do this and what other choice do I have I've exhausted every other option I want to be like really every other options this is the last choice

Ash: so great it's like watching a Mystery Science Theater 3000 movie that was made in modern-day times it's so good

Ned: God what a film I'll be back to that one later

Bret: yeah yeah I really wonder how that one will hold up cuz like

Ash: but the thing is is like

Ned: I haven't watched it since I School

Bret: we went on a little bit of elica classic things we enjoyed video watch the other day and it's just like some of his stuff is only like 3 or 4 years old and f*** it's not funny anymore like

Ash: yeah

Ned: shut up the old school hard to watch

Pat: yeah I'm sure it is

Ned: I'm so sorry

Sam: really that's been on our list forever don't break my heart

Ash: oh Sam you're going to have so many problems with that movie

Pat: I watch that I wore that out in college I wore it out in college and I'm sure doesn't hold up

Ash: yeah

Ned: there's only a few that do role models

Ned: it's so sweet it's such a sweet film

Sam: yeah but that movie was so underrated at the time and it broke my heart it's so funny yeah

Ned: I I I still think one of the funniest moments in film history is when that little kid they get out of the Jeep and Paul Rudd looks at Sean Williams gotten says hey can you pick us up in 3 hours and that kid looked him Square in the eyes and his f*** you Miss Daisy

Ned: I think about that moment all the time

Sam: we still look at each other and just go randomly miniature

Ned: Joe Lo truglio shut up

Sam: wait he's in it I

Ned: that's the guy who says Minotaur

Sam: oh my God I literally I watched it and then we're like we should do for the podcast and then here we are five years later and I haven't seen it since so

Ned: tell the truth lie I was the guy who says of minutes

Sam: yes okay I'm so excited

Ash: alright

Pat: I know we're not. I think my favorites how they how they interact with Jane Lynch like their reactions to her like she's like why did you put your do the air quotes are you implying or not really here

Ash: I got to re-watch that

Ned: also shot at the Jane Lynch is now hosting the remake of weakest link

Sam: what

Ash: I got invited to be on that

Ned: Jane Lynch saying you are the weakest link goodbye is really stupid

Bret: will you pass that up

Ash: yes I got a casting director reached out to me and they're like would you like to be a contestant on the show and I was like I mean I guess and then there were like we're shooting in August nose like sorry no no no no too soon yes

Ned: it is a pandemic

Ash: yeah I was like no also there like

Bret: you are the weakest link goodbye sounds too polite for jail

Ned: she does it with a snark it's at the end of it at the end of the promo she goes you are the weakest link goodbye

Bret: I just want I want like you f***** up get out like

Ned: jet off the show new show called get off the show

Ash: listen it's 20/20 and everything needs to be more intense now we have heard all f****** around anymore okay

Pat: yeah real life they already like

Ned: like a circus in tents

Ash: oh my God

Bret: all right and that's the end of the show

Ash: no but you're the only other person I've ever heard say that boyfriend says that all the time

Pat: oh I've always I said it is camping I said it was camping in tents

Ned: camping is a good one too

Ash: Boy versus the camping one yeah

Bret: there's no way we can continue from here it's it's over

Ned: I'm so sorry I shut down the show

Ash: so we're cutting we're cutting all of this

Pat: all right yeah that's fine I can be hyper Ned what movie were watching

Ned: we are watching a absolute favorite of Ned Donovan Circle middle school high school Ghost Dog The Way of the Samurai starring Forest Whitaker

Pat: yeah we are yeah we are

Ash: cat is so excited he's been talking about this movie for so long you've no idea she is very excited

Pat: it's something they have never heard of it and I was like what yes we have to do it I love it so much

Bret: and this is like this is really breaking like one of the Cardinal rules of the podcast in that were actually watching a movie that I said we were going to watch at the end of the episode this is this is the f****** twenty20 Bizarro world no rules exist the universe is broken here we are watching Ghost Dog what's it about

Pat: I'll read the the one

Ash: are you said this at the end of one of the podcast is the gag wow

Pat: I think I was on the show when he did that we talked about and I said no that was awesome we need to do it so I'm going to read the one

Ned: so good I got excited about this all week

Pat: I'm going to read a one-sentence synopsis Form IMDb and African American Mafia hit man who models himself after the samurai vold finds himself targeted for death by the mob

Sam: okay

Pat: would you like me to read it again

Ned: that's it there's a lot if there's a lot to unpack please roll that back

Ash: yes take it a little slower

Pat: an African American Mafia hit man who models himself after the samurai of old finds himself targeted

Sam: what's up way we were as up as opposed to the samurai of new

Ned: you don't know you just don't see them coming

Sam: okay okay continue

Pat: yeah

Bret: I watch American Ninja don't you watch American Ninja

Ash: you're confusing samurais and ninjas Ned you can't see us there rain coming

Bret: Heather not John Cena

Pat: he finds himself targeted for death by the mob

Ash: so he's employers

Bret: okay so it is it is it a different is it different than the mafia

Pat: the gherkin have to watch the movie to find out but I'm not wanting that for you

Ned: yet it might be two different things

Bret: they said the mafia and the mob is it the same or did they just interchange it or is it

Ash: whoever is writing the description was like we can't use the word twice so

Bret: games Mario Mario

Pat: so this came out in 1999

Ash: oh man

Sam: excellent

Pat: it was written and

Bret: a year of the worst CD

Ash: people are going to be wearing pleather

Pat: about that we don't worry about that with this movie is written and

Bret: is entirely CT

Pat: just cuz he's an actual it's a dog that talks with Forest Whitaker's boy

Bret: I thought it was going to be animated with Ghost Dog initially

Ned: oh my God this is amazing

Ash: this is I just

Pat: it was

Ash: I don't understand

Pat: I love isn't it it was written and directed by Jim jarmusch

Ned: I'd have no idea

Bret: can you do the Fandango

Pat: Amish Jim jarmusch it's a name I'm familiar with his stuff is obscure I'm going to read off 6 movies cuz they keep coming up as like selfies written and directed this is most well-known works I've seen one of these coffee and cigarettes broken flowers starring Bill Murray dead man which is the one I've seen it's a weird cowboy movie weird trippy cowboy movie starring Johnny Depp

Ash: Show with Johnny Depp right yeah I could not so far I have not liked any of this phone

Pat: Stranger Than Paradise Down By Law and Only Lovers Left Alive

Bret: there's that. Of time when Bill Murray was just like sad

Ash: yeah that was it that was that.

Ned: was it isn't coffee and cigarettes also Bill Murray and Tom Waits

Ash: BN

Bret: I never even heard of that one

Pat: Tom Waits is definitely in a couple of those things he's Buddies

Ned: I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure coffee and cigarettes is literally Bill Murray and Tom Waits

Ash: is it like a two-man show Once coffee when cigarettes I'll let you guess which is which

Pat: he does out of curious or looked up from his movies he does a lot of movies that are like vignette strung together or like different groups of people let me look here well coffee and cigarettes Stars Roberto benigni Steven right Joy Lee sin Kaylee Steve Buscemi Iggy Pop Tom Waits

Ash: Buscemi Steve Buscemi Boucher Chevy

Pat: I've heard it both ways yeah he he allow these people he really works with the same cast a lot Dumber is not in it

Bret: this is interesting so wait like a van is easier vignettes kind of movie like a it's more of a theme than a plot

Ash: like the movie trick or treat

Ned: shut up the trick or treat my favorite Halloween film

Ash: really

Ned: I love trick

Bret: I have not seen that one either

Ned: I guess I'm coming back twice now

Ash: when you say Halloween film are you defining it but because it's like takes place at Halloween or your favorite horror film

Ned: it's not a horror film it is my favorite movie to watch at Halloween

Pat: Stars Forest Whitaker as the titular ghost dog and then no names you probably heard of a few faces you might have seen in the thing or two but I don't

Ned: want to buy classic Wise Guy New York actors

Pat: insert generic late middle-aged mafia guy 10 * 12

Ash: like Scorsese

Ned: I think I think when I was when I was like Google and some stuff again to like to like think about this movie someone wrote a bunch of sub-scores tasty actors

Pat: first lady Rejects

Sam: he's definitely on Brett s*** list

Bret: yeah we're going to have to come back to this but I am postulating that or that Scorsese might actually not be good at making movies after all that we've been giving him more credit than he deserves

Pat: I mean he's an Amish it listen to them to you stuff so so you can park right off

Ash: and he can be on your s*** list but he does make good Phelps

Ned: it's a hell of a movie

Pat: Mexican

Bret: start where you at work or slowly working our way back through it as start starting with we watch the end we talked about this already right watch Gangs of New York and I was like what is this f****** movie it doesn't hold up

Ash: you should watch you go

Sam: definitely dated in a bad way he did Hugo

Ash: Hugo's fantastic yes that's what I keep trying to tell you guys you're like all he does is like mafia movies and I'm like no no he does other s*** to

Sam: other s*** or one other s***

Ned: but also he makes great mafia movies

Pat: I did not find someone budget but opening

Sam: that's always a good sign

Pat: yeah I mean gone guess like opening weekend USA gross USA cumulative worldwide

Bret: okay

Sam: in 1999 a year that I was alive and aware of media and I hadn't heard of this movie oh you're generous I think it's still generous

Ash: I was sorry I was thinking gross

Ned: General Assembly

Bret: okay so you didn't find a budget this had a 35 million dollar budget and made like 15

Sam: yeah that tracks that's my guess

Ash: that's pretty low I wouldn't say liked it made 30 million

Pat: going to work backwards cumulative worldwide gross was 9.3 million

Ash: oh no

Pat: USA Grocers 3.3 million

Pat: opening weekend with 166000

Sam: ouchie

Ash: so you know my 80000000 wasn't that far off

Bret: so they so they have like an opening in like one State Fair

Ned: I'm pretty sure this was like a very New York favorite film.

Ash: I never heard of it I don't think this open where I live

Pat: the Rizzo

Ned: I found out about this movie because I'm a huge Wu-Tang fan and it's scored by Riza and so I bought the soundtrack prior to seeing the film when I was

Ash: that was a thing soundtracks would drop before the movie

Bret: so

Pat: dato Paul the Frozen 2 soundtrack you can listen to them on Spotify before the movie came out do you want to know how I know

Ash: oh my God just stop just stop no just

Bret: so that the everything that we watch is problematic part of my brain wants to know you know this sounds like Abba soundtracks going to be good but ghost dog who is also a samurai anime mafia guy is so was the writer this film a white guy

Ash: Anna Anna Hitman

Pat: yeah oh yeah Jim is Jim is very white

Ned: yes Jim is very white

Sam: wait can I can I ask a question that you are definitely going to laugh

Ash: with you not at you

Ned: yes that is status correct

Sam: weight is the human's is the humans Mafia named Ghost Dog and there isn't actually a dog in this movie

Pat: yes yes yes yes

Bret: this is why I was asking cuz if it sounds like it's a white guy who's like well that's like a common thing right like Snoop Dogg like you can just put anywhere in front of dog in and then that's it

Pat: it's really funny you say that cuz I didn't remember a scene from the movie

Sam: I am so disappointed now and I'm really sad

Pat: it's really funny yes so

Ned: I will say though for you no spoilers there are animals

Sam: oh no

Pat: oh but oh way oh no Sam Sam is not going to lie

Sam: oh no

Ash: oh no

Pat: I actually like to see

Sam: so we're actually doing steaks on a plane and

Pat: I mean I figured they'd probably kill a lot of f****** animals on Snakes on a Plane

Ash: animals get hurt and Snakes on a Plane they absolutely get hurt on say something

Sam: but at least you know it's a f****** rubber snake

Ned: not only snakes get hurt and snakes on them

Ash: I don't remember what else happens oh no

Pat: Houston interview he wrote this role of Ghost Dog specifically for Forest Whitaker and if Whitaker hadn't taken the role the film probably would not have been made

Bret: this is a factor going to have to revisit after the phone cuz that might either be like yeah I can see how Forest Whitaker was the only one who could have made it that good or I will have many questions

Pat: I don't have most of the stuff is like after some of the fun as the main character Forest Whitaker doesn't have an on-screen non voice over line of dialogue until about 37 minutes into the film

Ash: oh so you know it's good

Bret: so so it was the infinite Cutting Room like this doesn't make sense we just got to have him ADR all of his lines to build a plot thing

Pat: no cuz he does not know it's for the character it's a piano I feel like I'm sending you guys up on Purpose soap on you

Pat: this is a good movie I think we're going to like it I mean I don't get ahead of myself it's part of the Criterion Collection

Bret: where's the words you're using haven't been building it up

Ned: it is

Ash: if it's part of the Criterion Collection why can't we find it streaming anywhere

Ned: there is there is no question this movie is weird this movie is fantastically made as a movie and none of your expectations are in line

Sam: okay

Pat: your whatever you're in is nothing we can say that won't spoil it you're not ready for that the pacing is different and it is definitely a unique piece of Cinema

Ned: I think at the end of the day you might I don't know you guys so you might not like it but I feel confident you wanted ever seen anything like

Pat: yeah it's one of those things where I feel like we haven't talked a lot about this movie you know we should talk a lot more about the movie before watch it I don't know I don't want a kind of just want to get into it relatively soon here because I really want to give us plenty of Runway to talk about it after

Bret: yeah because this is I mean with with meds pitch their I'm very intrigued because all of your facts of this movie have been the historical red flags

Ash: yeah I mean it's feeling like it could be dare I say it a Boondock Saints like from my perspective of not seeing it

Ned: we should get into the movie because otherwise I'm going to debate I'm not today I'm going to break down all of the similarities and differences very quickly

Ash: okay good well you should do that cuz that was like the most traumatic episode for us

Pat: yeah I know I is someone who is with you up on that high horse of is going to be great and I know that was terrible in that was bad and I don't think this is going to be the same I think it's going to be

Bret: I bet that doesn't know exactly what that statement men Boondock Saints was the first half of the episode is that's the episode where all of us were just like this is going to be dope and then we had only negative things to say

Ned: Boondock Saints does not hold up and I haven't seen Ghost Dog to know if it does but what I can say is my memory of ghost dog is as a person who loves film and Cinema and grew up wanting to be a filmmaker and an actor like I got a bunch of master classes from this movie

Ash: okay

Bret: all right all right

Ash: why don't you just say that in the beginning cheese

Ned: because it's way more fun to use Mafia and mob in a sentence

Ash: the copywriter did not know what to write for this film

Bret: Safari Forest Whitaker and anyone else

Pat: I don't want to talk nothing else

Ned: I don't believe there's one guy whose name I don't know but he is like a bad guy in like half of the movies I liked as a kid so he obviously was killing it at one point

Pat: play said to be a few faces you like okay I'm pretty sure I've seen that person in something before but I really don't think if I say any names that they're going to ring any bells

Sam: our predictions

Ash: yeah I mean Sam Brett and I haven't seen it right so we don't really have nor have we heard of it so we don't have any expectations I feel like okay go ahead

Sam: oh I have expectations and I now know they're all wrong I was expecting like a Cujo meets white things sort of deal and I'm not getting any of that

Pat: let me look and see if I got if I got anything else to hear

Ned: you're getting none of that

Pat: yeah

Sam: no I'm way off so now I'm sad and I'm hoping I can get over it I bought it I thought

Ned: I'm excited to find out honestly

Sam: yeah yeah I thought it would be like a bad dog movie no no

Bret: I mean

Ash: it was like an Isle of dogs scenario or something

Sam: I mean I knew it wasn't stop motion but

Ned: like the sequel to Balto

Bret: yeah I briefly thought it might be animated with the ghost dog

Sam: yeah exactly

Bret: but it is in the Way of the Samurai

Ash: dark sequel to Balto he died now he's

Ned: what is a samurai

Ash: yeah

Bret: it just seems like every every consecutive descriptive sentence about this movie is completely changing my expectations of it cuz cuz ghost ghost dog you like okay Way of the Samurai what and then

Ned: Forest Whitaker

Ash: yeah

Bret: Forest Whitaker is a mafia hit man who likes to dress like a sample this is a joke of a description of a movie so like and then and then you're both just like but it's brilliant like what am I supposed to think about this

Pat: please taglines don't help at all all Assassin's all Assassin's live beyond the law only one follows the code

Bret: oh no

Pat: and of course I mean punch this marketing person

Ned: your tagline should be allowed to be longer than you can say in a single breath that's that's my rule

Pat: also whatever marking person roses next when they didn't write it should get their check their paycheck taken away from that month they worked on it live by the code diabetic

Bret: this is like an intern at the marketing agency

Ned: I think that's what's on my DVD cover of the DVD ion of this movie

Ash: that's always better than the first one

Ned: it's much better cuz at least it's like Titan Snappy

Ash: yeah or whatever

Ned: anytime you have to start with all the assassins don't follow the law or whatever like you're already like you've lost me

Bret: but like

Pat: this guy the Rogue even for a sexes

Bret: I think best case scenario for this film it for me it's so far is it's leaning really hard into some kind of crazy absurdist like plot and

Pat: pull up I want to read the top five

Pat: keywords for this flat to to further to further throw some more logs on this fire for you guys cuz most of them

Ash: are you just trying to change dress like predictions

Ned: it's going to make it worse

Pat: no just got to get the funny I just think it's funny now the plot keywords the top 5 Crime Boss Samurai African American Hitman

Ned: let's let's just let your soul recall that I said that there are animals in this movie

Ash: okay

Sam: what

Bret: top five

Sam: now we're back now I'm back to thinking it's animated why

Bret: 5

Ash: wait so like it when you're Googling this film you type in pigeons

Ned: pigeons a significant keyword

Bret: okay because

Pat: guys

Sam: what the f*** are we watching this is why we don't watch the movie separate jokes about at the end

Ash: pigeon

Sam: oh my God

Bret: here's the thing is like I but now I kind of feel like there's room here I believe them I believe them this could be so insane it's amazing this is what I'm hoping for that's a maybe it's not my exact role expectations in real life but my dream is that it's going to be an absurd masks that I can enjoy because I love them service things

Sam: it's already an absurd mess and we haven't even watched it yet

Ned: I thought you was going to say we haven't even enjoyed it yet

Ash: oh man

Bret: ican kitchen

Sam: oh my God

Ash: well I didn't know that this movie exists and I'm going to be very sad if he does not use a samurai sword because what I'm going to call b******* on this whole Samurai thing

Sam: follows the code

Ash: yeah but like I don't know I'm not sure I am not sure what to think about this confused

Ned: I don't know anything about your guys's movie taste so this is amazing to know that you're going in blind because like I can't even predict things for you I can't even try to be helpful

Ash: I will say I have seen the poster because I Googled it to see the poster to like try to fight you know I Googled it we're trying to find it streaming and the poster doesn't make it look great say that we'll see I guess we'll see I'm not a huge fan of Whitaker either personally I feel like he's a bit of an over reactor a lot of the times he can be reeled in but if he's not real then like his character in Star Wars I was like dude bring it down you are like at a 13 you need to be at a 9 like bring it down man so I don't know what you guys were saying like all but he could make it good like hopefully as long

Ned: hold that thought we'll talk in a couple hours

Ash: all right I hope that I'm proved wrong

Bret: Whitaker reaction.

Ash: he'll just be that shocked guy's face for me

Ned: set what's up line from Community where he's teaching how to fight keep saying suck but it's not a question to statement sucks up and then you give him Forest Whitaker eye and stare deep into his soul

Ned: the great Donald Glover lines of the 20th century

Ash: okay well

Ned: that's my third podcast I'm starting a community appreciation party

Ash: so good so you brought this to us Med what are

Ned: I think I think I gave you guys I think I gave you guys like five movies but this might have been the first one on the list

Ash: it was it was so

Bret: cat jumped on it

Ash: that was super excited

Pat: I also I was definitely screaming from the rafters

Ned: my expectations okay I remember all sorts of things about this don't I watched it all the time which is weird because there are things I loved about it and things I really disliked about it even then what I can remember about this film truly is that because for me when I first heard the soundtrack and read the title I immediately got an image of what I thought this movie was going to be and I was so wrong that I started watching it over and over and over again to figure out likewise choices were made which is why I feel like I got a master class and moving baking is like there's so much about this movie and into me personally like what it does more than anything is subvert expectation like everytime you kind of have a bead on where you think it's going it's giving you something else for a very specific reason and like love it or hate the film I think it's a beautiful case of like

Bret: sounds

Ash: all right we know you're excited

Pat: I'm excited I'm excited because 2 hours from now you three are going to have a new favorite movie

Ned: I mean like I am excited because I do feel like when people like to post Doug it becomes like a bit of a of a conversation point of excitement whenever you meet other people who've even heard of the film

Ash: your other ghost dogs

Ned: also another movie I'd like to pitch for your podcast just cuz listeners go listen to or watch it dog soldiers horror movie from England watch it check it out

Sam: does that one have animated dogs

Ash: continuing with the dogs babe

Ned: it doesn't the elevator pitch of that one is a bunch of British soldiers think they're on a war games with special forces but they're actually being hunted by a pack of werewolves great film

Sam: I will take werewolves I'll take werewolves

Ned: it's a single location movie and I really want to adapt it for the stage that's where I'm at

Ned: Highway ghost.

Sam: let's go yeah

Pat: we should watch it

Bret: yeah meds meds prediction here hit his watching it many many many times in the past makes it sound like it might end up being like a substitute Calibre film

Ned: lost Ash

Pat: excitement was too much for her

Ned: she just hates us

Bret: which the substitute

Ned: shut the f*** you I'm out

Bret: why are you command key with us

Ned: what is Comanche

Ash: f*** you guys I accidentally hit command q and just quit everything I didn't I am excited

Pat: why would you do that

Sam: she was ready she was like I'm ready to come in Q and then she just hit it early

Ash: American westerns filmed by

Ned: okay but how many people use that command key on the regular

Sam: apparently

Ash: well I'm a video editor so a lot

Ned: so am I did I don't use this

Bret: well we'll see we'll see how things go we're going to pause the show and go watch Ghost Dog Way of the Samurai and God help us stop

Pat: how do you get to Bhutan

Ash: he's a ghost

Bret: cuz it's the never ending

Ned: I like it

Bret: thank you

Ash: yeah that's breaking the five I love it

Sam: oh yeah how did we get there from loose wavy but okay I like it I'll take it

Bret: is because it ended in a suicide

Ned: I want to talk to the three of you that I'd never seen the film before to be honest with you I just wanted I want to hear things

Ash: wow

Ash: oh wow

Pat: oh no I already had our conversation over like Discord direct messages and where the most liked then I'm sorry I said Nixon

Ned: I'm all-in I like this movie so much more than I used to

Ash: oh boy

Bret: I want to I want to talk about it because it was depending on which perspective of mine that I look at it it was both better and like worse than all of my expectations I simultaneously

Ash: yeah I feel like you guys like maybe talked it up too much and you should have maybe not cuz

Pat: no I don't regret I regret nothing

Sam: what what made you think that they talked it up

Ash: they said a lot of things about talking it up it made

Bret: I feel like the first thing is that the list of keywords needs to be revised and pigeon needs to be moved higher on the

Sam: yeah actually weirdly yes

Bret: Taylor Spears

Ash: absolutely embarrass need to be put on there I guess which by the way for context or the listeners I will

Bret: so don't give it to him they don't deserve it

Ash: no I was going to say we watch the film without the subtitles for the French guy and that was like really important actually like the otherwise the scene with the bear was like what the f*** is happening

Bret: he was very good

Ned: tattoos like one of my favorite actors on television and I'm so stoked I completely blanked on the fact that he was in this film he's he's Ballin on 24

Ash: I'd I do not know him

Pat: he is in seasoned black panther is a small part in Black Panther

Ned: get a small part in Casino Royale

Bret: so one thing that I ate like they weren't playing it as a joke and I missed symbolism if there was because I was too distracted by how funny it was the fall of the Mobsters were watching cartoons all the time

Ned: every every cartoon was the hit that he was about to commit

Bret: okay

Pat: yeah they're all referencing or

Ash: but like isn't that like just a Trope of Hitman movie like I've seen that before many times it just felt like at wrote To Me

Pat: in the movie made before 1999

Ned: it's it's it's just like it's I think it has to do with like the amount of violence in animation as compared to like the violence in the mafia on the streets

Ash: right yeah do I noticed something

Bret: I was I was just checking cuz that one guy was like you guys need to pay your rent the world's shittiest Mafia full of just like retirees

Pat: the point at you like the best assassin

Ned: but also yet know they're terrible they're awful

Pat: they are

Ash: they can't even I said the same thing I was like this is the most WeakSauce Mafia ever they can't pay their rent and they also can't kill one dude like it's so like one dude yeah but like but they don't even yeah they show up in there like is this the right guy I don't know just shoot him anyway like they're so bad

Sam: yeah

Pat: I have a theory they are a bad Mafia because I noticed my message Med and you like No One Ever Knows it cuz I know most of this time every home of a mafia person in this including the big country Mansion has a for sale sign on it the first hit he does a handsome face

Pat: they are in NF Mafia

Ned: they're all the whole point is like they're also a child dinosaurs right like they're all wrapped up in these hoes like these old Concepts that make no sense and that was what ghost I was saying at the end right like we're both part of old like old cultures just different ones

Bret: you never read a self-help book

Pat: and it really spoke to him

Ash: I mean I'm sorry but like he reads a book about Samurai and he's just suddenly a samurai like that's like one of my biggest problems about this film is it feels like super cultural appropriation like he just reads hey I've read a book about Samurai I've read the the other one not this one that he breathed but that doesn't make me a samurai

Pat: he's not dressing he does not I mean he he he's trying to I'm going to defend it cuz I feel like he's

Ned: I'm going to defend it as well

Ash: but there's like so much more

Pat: he's taking the lessons and adopting him to his life it's one thing if you started walking around in I don't want to what there is if he was walking around in like cultural attire of it like like the robes or something I'm taking this I'm going to live my life by this code

Sam: I agree

Ash: but that book isn't even necessarily about the code the book he read haggai kerra a curry Acura

Ned: I'm not going to try I'm not going to try and pronounce it cuz I'll just go terribly

Pat: now who's being disrespectful to other cultures

Ned: no absolutely not I I want allowed that yeah I'm with Ash on that MoMA

Ash: I tried to look it up beforehand but like it's it's not even like the book on this is how you are a samurai it's just a book that's a collection of essays by a guy who was a samurai that gives you a glimpse into their life it's not even like here's the the code of the Samurai here's the Way of the Samurai like the book of five rings is actually a much more like step-by-step here's the code so it's like it just I don't understand how that makes him a samurai

Ned: also say like I think it's I think given the conversations about literature it's it's

Ash: yeah

Ned: it's it's not fair to assume that what he's read is a book right like he's got the book like he's got the book that he gives her cuz it's a great Gateway but like it seems to me that the only thing he does is read and kill people which like I have questions about payment and lifestyle like I have questions about like Concepts but I do think like the point seems to be I mean Rodger Ebert in his head like I actually think this is a movie about a very sick person in the movie gets very interesting when you look at it that way but

Bret: this is also my how I felt about it

Ned: yeah but like I felt like it for me gorgeous

Ash: he's not a good person right no

Ned: No in fact he's a decent truly s*** person I love that it's beautifully quiet it's like a quiet film that I didn't I don't expect to be quiet

Bret: I want to say it's one of the most creative deaths I've ever seen in a film The the plumbing the plumbing murder

Ash: yeah but sync shot probably the only interesting so you'd in this movie

Ned: also the best character in the film

Pat: that was unnecessarily harsh status

Bret: I don't know about that there is a few interesting seeds there

Ned: the best the best character in the film is that mobster just to be clear the guy who raps Flavor Flav at the high art table

Bret: you know about the about the book and the philosophy stuff real world thought about that so it's like people

Pat: okay

Bret: I didn't really have that one all the way planned out so like I watch a lot of GDC videos online the game game developers conference and I talked to people all the time about these videos because their face value of them is there about game development and how to build a game or like what went wrong when you built your game or like really like technical stuff but the wisdom of these people talking about the time they spent doing this very specific task is so widely aaptiv applicable to every part of like my life and other people's problems that they talk to me so when we even if he wasn't reading like the rules of the Samurai like I feel like that's how many Rubik's have you ever read that actually gave you any meaning it's usually the the slice the life stuff where you can be like oh I live that to you notes I feel like whatever he might have been reading was probably more relevant than the samurai rule book you know

Ash: great like I'm I don't have a problem with you like like you said like reading something like that and you know taking inspiration from it or finding life lessons but he literally calls himself a samurai multiple times in the movie he says

Bret: Gahanna has like a samurai does The X

Ash: yeah he says it multiple times and

Sam: he says us Samurai yeah but he doesn't like

Bret: kind of has like a a girl has no name Vibe Duo

Ash: he says he also says as a samurai I can't betray my master and stuff like that like he he says it implying himself multiple times and like that's where I'm like that's not cool yeah exactly

Pat: Ellie missing about if he had him in illness to do it because it's like that's kind of a weird thing that he shows up four years later and is like I owe you a debt and the way I'm going to repay the debt is murder people for you

Bret: listen though how long do you think it takes to train pigeons that many pigeons

Pat: that is very impressive

Ash: I mean

Ned: I think he's been training pigeon since he was really small he just weaponized

Ned: very good at Birds

Pat: but he's not normal

Ash: did he I don't think you weaponize them too well because they clearly the mafia who sucks at killing normal people had no problem killing all these births

Ned: very good at killing birds

Pat: it's the old Trope it's the old Trope of don't try to double-cross the person who's the best at killing cuz they will kill you

Ash: no I'm not talking about him I'm talking about all the other people that I don't know guys I thought it was pretty terrible I'm sorry

Pat: terrible really yeah

Ned: I won't hold it against you that's good that's the love of opinions from my I think it's a gorgeous look at it clean single filmmaking and quiet character choices inside a large concept and I love the concept of like a mafia movie about a mafia that's 20 years too late I don't know like that's really exciting to me

Bret: yeah well that was that was really great element of the plot in this was the framing of like yeah just a mafia that was just on their way out

Ned: like holding two codes no one understands

Ash: I just don't understand why they were mad that he killed the guy that they asked him to kill

Ned: does the daughter saw it

Ash: that's why they were mad

Bret: they can't kill the daughter cuz she's not evil and like she know that

Ash: how does the daughter know that he's connected to them at all

Ned: she said did my father send you

Ash: yeah but they didn't talk to him so they don't know that she said that

Ned: they didn't talk to her like she might have said that right like I I think it's one of those like Godfather alike we whacked our own but he was our own so we still have to get the Vengeance like it's such a stupid moral code again it's all about dumb moral Cahoots by codes that probably shouldn't

Bret: if nobody if nobody saw that they wouldn't have to clean up

Sam: it's also like a like a big imposter syndrome right like all of these people are like thinking they're very moral when they're doing really immoral things and it's just this really weird interesting duality of like murder is not okay unless you do it in a specific way which is I mean

Ned: like everyone's play-acting a gangster

Sam: yeah yeah and it's like is this really interesting it's like know that that's not the truth like you can't just murder somebody and a specific way and have it be not murder

Bret: tell that to the US justice system

Sam: oh my God Brett stop stop it absolutely

Ned: yes absolutely

Pat: do you think i7 Theory hear the daughter was pulling strings from the beginning and had designed so so kisses the thing she hears a thing and it made and I just have in it makes send why they're stupid code of like yeah we told him to kill the guy but he's an outsider and he killed one of us so we're going to kill him if she was trying to plant seeds of that to her dad get that guy out of kill that guy because she obviously was with Anthem Frank right and he kill Handsome frame it makes sense that you'd like you dick I'm going to kill you

Ned: I think she was trying to take over the mob at the end she's calling the shots

Pat: I think that too I'm saying there's that too but it's like yeah I know you killed this guy who I kind of I don't know I liked enough to Gatsby romantic is MCM sleep with is the implication

Bret: certainly not

Pat: didn't seem to like each other but but and then there's the whole yeah

Ash: why was she with the with him

Pat: I mean they were in the room and states of undress together

Ned: that's what the

Ash: no I know but why

Sam: I I mean

Ned: don't know hearted I have that question as well

Ash: I just said what yeah

Ned: Handsome Frank is not a not a handsome dude

Bret: he's a Handsome Frank the ladies love Handsome Frank on drugs

Sam: it it definitely gives off Vibes just every scene with the daughter as that she's very mistreated and like kind of carted around like property so I would totally buy Pat not so much that she tried to have Ghost Dog killed but that she incited an incident to take down the whole mob to not only like get controlled also to like in a weird way gets safe or feel safe

Bret: #free Brittany

Sam: yeah so like

Ash: Josh I just wish there was more of that in there though

Ned: and then she also she also orders Ghost Dog killed at the end right like Louis goes to kill on in my I interpreted on her command

Sam: yeah totally cuz who is left

Pat: oh she didn't commit she's in control and they establish at 2 with the whole of where he's yelling at the driver gogogogogo drivers not budging and she finally says alright we can go and then they leave

Sam: yeah that's interesting and think about that but that would make sense

Pat: she is in control and her demeanor is so I think you're right to their stuff yeah cuz her demeanor

Ned: she's got a power suit

Ash: what she's wearing a new outfit to like she looks more like a boss yeah

Ned: put on those sunglasses those like

Ash: I just wish there was like more

Bret: as a whole Itchy and Scratchy clip at the end with the guns getting bigger

Ash: I wish like

Ned: setting up a sequel where the little the little girl tries to Hunter as the new ghost dog

Ash: it seems like it that's for sure

Sam: yeah and then she's wearing a bear jammies at the end

Ned: it's not subtle in its imagery

Ash: yeah I mean you have a little girl pick up a gun and try to shoot somebody G

Ned: and then when it clicks he still stumbles I mean like we're right on we're just we're just having visual cue after visual cue

Pat: exactly it was great

Sam: I like that I don't know I liked it

Ned: huge fan yeah me too

Pat: yeah and I did the whole school like that all the music the background music for it

Bret: all of it like even the horror jazz

Ned: yeah. It is just music and orchestrations by Riza

Pat: he is like

Ned: loved every second of it

Ash: are you guys liked it okay cool absolutely hated the music I'm so sorry

Ned: all right again opinions are

Ash: and more and more the act like the the the score was the music that I was just like this is so abrasive and sounds I don't know a lot of this film felt amateur to me like FL Amateur hour a lot alike

Ned: it feels like the Timmy the mob version of Clerks

Ash: yes

Ned: obversion of a movie made for $12

Sam: totally yeah and it felt low-budget I didn't feel like amateur like student film amateur I wouldn't say it felt any Les amateur than like Mad Max aside from like cinematography like that guy's a f****** expert cinematographer but like story wise and everything

Ned: Fields El Mariachi ask like that same kind of like we made a movie for $20 I don't know that that's true but I'd be stoked to find out

Ash: well we can agree to disagree I guess

Pat: the wood thing references are all over the place though so that's

Pat: that's actually a song that's playing when he's the first sitting outside the bench of ice cream exactly song called ice cream there's this flying and then that was Riza as actually that was Riza we passed who's in the fatigues the military fatigues to do a little like bow to each other he drives by a club at one point called liquid sword and that was the name Wu-Tang references well

Ned: I don't know why but I love the shot of him coming out of the electronics store to walk into the bird store that's just inexplicably next door like his to the only two stores he needs or in a single-camera shot I don't know why I find it so Charming

Bret: it feels like exactly the sort of life that he lives though

Sam: yeah I mean also to like it's kind of like a beautiful I don't talk beautiful

Ash: Yak cheese

Ned: I think it's beautiful

Sam: I think it's like a really beautifully told allegory for racism in America to like all of these I mean everyone outside of the mob that's in the story are minorities and literally the white guys just get to go around and be awful and like murder people without question and without consequence but then like it's the Ghost Dog guy that really like takes the punishment you know it's is kind of interesting like other kind of comparing

Ash: yeah but he does shity things too though that's the it looks like the problem like he steals people's cars you still see people's stuff like he's not a good person either though

Bret: yeah I know no history is awful

Ned: is really only two good characters and it's Raymond in the little girl Arlene Darlene those are the only two good people in the movie I don't know she's like 7

Ash: I I mean the little girl that attempted to commit murder I wouldn't say that she's a good person either

Sam: if she was white you'd call it defending herself

Bret: she was standing her ground please and thank you

Ash: no it's either way if you pick up a gun and you try to shoot someone in your seven like f*** man that's terrifying

Sam: it's self-defense if you just saw the guy that was protecting you get shot itself.

Bret: just think of the news report like the young girl stops Mafia murder

Sam: yeah yeah

Bret: and that that encounter they had with the Trump supporter in his son was really interesting to

Sam: oh my gosh

Ned: especially in 1999 what a weird

Ash: are you talking about the bear scene

Ned: yeah the bear scene

Sam: but like yeah that was that was like weirdly for telling of like yeah yeah but also like

Ash: okay yeah yeah that scene was great but I wish that I had had the subtitles beforehand so that I understood the context you know

Sam: also it's like the look at like racism you know like they're doing something terrible they're like you know he's just asking questions like he's not harming them but then they literally threatened his life because they they know they can get away with it original sin says they didn't but you know no no

Bret: questions for a may be a deeper analysis then we have time for it because that thing was really good but it wasn't any less a heavy-handed than most of the other metaphor is it the movie

Ned: yeah it actually it felt the most the most heavy-handed to me watching it as I was like now we're really on the nose

Ash: yeah I mean it's a good scene but it felt a bit like shoehorned in there you know like

Ned: yeah you could cut that scene in the movie is the exact same movie

Pat: isn't he kind of like comes morale is way more he not counting the voice over of him being the passages obviously not counting that an actual in World dialogue from the time he shows up and drives up to the country Mansion to the end he probably speaks more than the that like what was that like 30 minutes out than the preceding 90 minutes I feel like he's way more and it could likely talking to the hunters he's way more animated asking questions and he's kind of like putting on this show I feel like you just all the sudden just like I know he's like no she's going towards end kind of feels Freer like you might go I still go back and watch it again

Bret: part of the Rouge

Pat: the know yes

Bret: he was he's using his white people voice

Sam: yeah I did hear that totally

Ned: for me I think I think you know there's a bunch of movies that I look at some times and I think like that is it is a filmmaking 101 movie but damn is a good it feel makes me want to run and that's how I feel about this movie like I love a lockdown clean single I love like a shot reverse conversation I love you know what I mean like I love a dialogue in the beginning that pays off in the end like all of those things are like I would say for me the point of the film is like it's so heavy-handed that you can't do anything but look at the messages it's beating you over the head with like it's the only reason it exists is to beat you over the head with these Concepts but I also feel like if you watch like coffee and cigarettes does the exact same thing right like the conversations are just bold-faced

Pat: I mean that said 101 he said it entry level

Bret: hot 102

Ned: process of purely just to show fight scene problems

Ash: yeah and that's like the part where it feels a bit amateur to be where it's like you know people don't actually talk like that that's not like the conversations and then you know there's also there's also like there's just other like direct rural decisions in this fit just came off really a mature Dove me you know like the use of like like I get it he's ghost dog but like the use of the ghost Trails sometimes felt amatory the use of cross dissolves not to show a passage of time but just to use cross dissolve yeah like it's like why so stuff like that

Bret: if they didn't do that during the Mansion murder scene that would have been a very boring mass murder yeah

Ned: it was already a very boring mass murderer it is not a good fight movie

Ash: that's the thing is like to me he's a very boring character at the story is very boring like it should he doesn't he literally doesn't even know he's so passive that he doesn't even know that they're trying to kill him until he meets up with that one guy that he's the word of and that guy tells him and we're like almost halfway through the spill and he's done nothing

Sam: I think he knew as soon as he got the message from the pigeon

Ash: no he didn't because the guy told him and he was specifically like reacted to it

Bret: I think you might be like hitting the nail on the head there after I think that might actually be the whole point of the movie is it is there's this guy who by all means is he's good at killing people but he's a big idiot and he's being targeted by a bunch of big idiots and they they each read their if I can books and have these stupid ass ideas in their head that somehow make it okay for them to go around town killing people because it's for their own causes and they're just a bunch of f****** idiots and at the end when they're all dead that's the point the f****** idiots need to just f****** die that's the point of the movie

Sam: yeah

Ned: I also think like you know you asked a question like why is today unlike any other day and like Louie says like I haven't seen him in four years but he sends a message that says like we need to meet right like sulfur ghost dog that's got to tell him that something horribly wrong right like they don't meet they just send a pigeon which like we can ask questions about carrier pigeons they don't make sense to me but like cool thank you

Ash: oh I just assumed he was lying when he said

Pat: passenger pigeons passenger pigeons the old the old Mafia

Pat: guy was very clear on that who we don't know what his role is he does there

Ned: hyster-yale passenger pigeon have a heart attack

Ash: yeah he's just there right

Pat: he's like if if there was a mafia Muppet it's him like

Ash: I just assumed he was lying because he was lying to them about other things as well. I think he does see Ghost Dog often

Ash: yeah I don't think that was a lie cuz he was lying to them about responding to the message and I think he was just trying to distance himself from Ghost Dog because he didn't want them to know how personal relationship actually had

Bret: yeah I could be I mean but they actually did follow through with the pigeon everyday so who knows how much of it was true and how much of it was self-defense lying

Ned: they just throw rice or mine in your face

Pat: there was a I mean other than the fact of it outright talked about rashomon there was a another rashomon reference how he'll Ghost Dog in Lewis met when they do the two flashbacks to eat remember it slightly differently with like the main thing being where the guy who point where the gun is pointed where is each of them remembers the person that Lewis shot pointing the gun at them like Lugar members at him drawing the gun on him and go start with members of the guy had a gun pointed at him

Sam: interesting I had noticed that

Ash: yeah I didn't either

Ned: that also to me feels very filmmaker 101e like now we're back to my my same Vibe of like 101

Pat: yes like it's very blunt is very blunt is not yeah

Ned: we said our are we set our moral compasses on great display with no Shades of Grey and we go

Bret: it's like it's such a such a weird vibe this is that like the the thing that is both good and bad about this is the concept of like and you tell the story with the pictures see and yes we're making a movie but good God

Ned: one of my one of my absolute favorite films is the Brothers Bloom and the Brothers Bloom does the exact same thing which is just like a gorgeous movie now that's high budget they have like a 40 million dollar budget but like everything about that movie is remember that line from minute 20 it's the ending unclear

Ash: yeah yep white why did we have a scene of him taking a nap and birdshit why

Bret: that really recontextualizes Home Alone 2 for me

Sam: I could yeah yeah I can tell you from a family that grew up with birds when you are a bird person you become blind to bird poop and it's terrifying and disgusting

Ned: again also like

Ash: yeah it's super gross that was one of the things where I'm like why why is a director we making a decision to have a scene where he's just like f****** sleeping and perfect

Bret: how to get the message

Ash: yeah

Ned: I also like I mean I do have questions like I think it's because of other movies but I'm so conditioned to think like Hitman get paid millions of dollars I'll be like why is he in The Shack on the roof and where is the money going

Bret: it was going into his money clip to just see that roll

Sam: I mean yeah that's not

Pat: yeah he was saving that he left for

Ned: but they were all dollars

Ash: he's going to Vegas

Sam: yeah do you think that that Mom that can't pay their rent is paid him a fair wage

Ned: that's a very good point and you only get paid once a year at the first day of autumn

Bret: well I mean that I guess that explains the apartment

Sam: he's living off of free ice cream

Ash: sentences that show that that in cat that encapsulates that like

Bret: I love that

Pat: I love I love messing

Ash: he only gets paid on the first day of autumn and him flipping his f****** gun like it's a goddamn sword like that was such a time. Though like that was at I like this movie and caplets that year for sure

Pat: she's got he has a disorder he is not he's not well he's not well

Ash: people in high school that didn't

Pat: you brought up sorry you brought it up it's not your theory you brought it up you use mentioned as a theory

Ned: it is Ebert's Theory and I don't agree with the theory

Pat: but here's the thing I totally buy that from someone who liked and maybe not who knows what his background is obviously something not great like you getting the s*** kicked out of her food and almost killed when we found him I feel like everyone has done something like that there is a younger said that they roll their eyes at like you're trying so f****** hard to like force yourself into this box has he decided you wanted to be so it's like depending where you are in your developmental I totally buy if you super like this is me like he finds his book is like yes this is me this speaks to me this is why I'm going to be and then you just knock it off so you do things like that

Bret: I know people today that are like that

Pat: especially it's like since he's on his own it's like if he had a family or people around him there would be people to be like dude what the f*** you're not a f****** Samurai we're in Jersey City like stop okay

Bret: or are they let him do it for like a decade and it's like become too much part of his personality that saying something that would just kill them like

Pat: he literally has nobody is nobody that would like know this so he's like if you're just left your own devices I totally see you see a person falling down a rabbit hole of like this is who I am and taking in building up his ethos around themselves

Bret: totally

Ash: oh yeah I mean that's that's what I was saying

Pat: I believe it it doesn't mean you have to like it I just think I find it very believable like

Sam: but I am fairly certain

Ash: I mean that's what I was saying is I knew people in high school at this in this time. That this film was made that were totally that character like totally

Sam: yeah one of them is my ex-boyfriend from my school he was a f****** idiot tool

Ash: what if I miss my ex-boyfriend

Sam: yeah yeah he like went to I don't know it like some Eastern religion Camp thing and like just ate up that like lifestyle

Ned: jumping on ex-boyfriends here we go

Sam: yeah you dessert

Ash: yeah

Pat: I would say

Pat: yeah I would

Bret: they have some real winners I am at them

Pat: I would say to is the thing they I'm assuming grew out of it but it's not just cuz they grow on their own if because you have people around you like you have been

Ash: I wouldn't know he's dead to me

Ned: Jesus I'm glad that I am so glad that yeah

Pat: okay I thought I didn't hear I heard that he's dead first

Sam: I also don't know

Ned: she said

Pat: but I didn't hear that it took me a second for the to me to catch up and I was like damn Ash ice cold

Pat: I'm saying she is she has the only communication the as is with Raymond and they don't speak the same language and before could Proline does new reckon new connection and then messages on pigeons to Louie so she has no one to check his crazy personal indulgences he is not here

Ash: talking messages this a****** he's such an ass

Pat: he is known to check his indulgences so he will be like there's no one for him to bounce stuff off of so if you read something or she seems like that's cool that speaks to me I'm going to do that he is literally no one to tell him maybe don't

Ned: shout out to the random Noah's Ark scene where the guy they talk to only speak Spanish

Sam: yeah I know I was like what

Ash: who is that

Pat: so did everyone here so watch the eclipse with the subtitles

Sam: ashdod it as like I don't know if Ashton

Ash: yeah well I'm the thing that Brett sent only had one scene but I watched it

Pat: no but if you searched it there's more there's like three of them

Ned: they do all three of the scenes with Raymond

Pat: undo that French lessons

Bret: the auto-play was like the next one

Ned: so the boat scene where the guy is building a boat on a roof yell at him in French and as with all the other scenes Forest Whitaker responds with the exact same words in English not realizing that they're saying the same thing and then the guy turns around and respond in Spanish

Bret: Val whole character interaction is just another really reinforces this whole life ghost dog being by himself like he can't understand his bet it's it's I mean I don't know now that you said it it's it's an it you can't unsee the mental illness angle on this because he's a guy who is f****** weird doing weird s*** it can understand even his best friend let alone anyone else in town yeah I'm the one guy that he regularly actually does communicate with like is using him and I don't know it's like a weird

Ash: he's using him

Ned: Louie Louie is using him to murder people

Bret: you shouldn't said it cuz now that's all I got Louie

Ash: right right

Ned: yeah I mean it's it's it's it definitely is watching it again I was like we are watching a 101 course in a bunch of very specific decisions including clean singles and locked off cameras

Bret: what y'all think of the ghost dog

Ned: Forest Whitaker as a whole

Ash: the actual dog

Bret: the act a little. Ghost.

Pat: call the dog that like followed Lincoln

Ned: show the dog that shows up and calls him out on being shity

Pat: the staring contest dog

Ned: is getting a little that's like now we're hitting a point where I'm like if we are hitting heavy-handedness mr.jim

Ned: he wasn't seeing a fake dog

Pat: at least it wasn't like a bone white dog like they ghost like you think it will take all white

Bret: why did I got to be white Pat

Pat: is ghost

Ned: come on

Ash: that's what the one pigeon has white

Pat: the one that survived yeah

Ned: that picture was super dead

Ned: the all white albino pigeon was dead as hell

Sam: speckled bunny

Bret: I can't honestly can't visualize any of the pigeon stay out there just Birds

Sam: the one that live was at a white head with black Speckles across its body

Bret: all right

Ned: correct you are 100orrect

Pat: an apologist this movie I still do get Shivers with the bird stuff cuz I feel like I always I feel like maybe I'm misinformed it like I always think selfie I had like 30 poop everywhere and

Ash: no he literally was laying in birdshit filthy other filthy germ carriers

Ned: this is this is like one of my like personal like totally nothing to do with the movie things but like pigeons I don't love them cuz they are dirty but they shouldn't have been that used to be gorgeous pet birds and then like a bunch of people released them and now they are pigeons but like pigeons when said yeah they're awful but like pigeons like like if you research like how pigeons got to the United States it's like a really sad thing they're like really gorgeous Birds who like don't get to eat any of their normal like what their body needs to function like white bird poop means the bird is insanely unhealthy and that is the only thing fidgets have

Sam: sad

Ned: Netflix on my list of like personal like the Pistons

Sam: so if I if I understand my animal facts correctly I believe doves and pigeons are almost the same

Ned: yes I think that's true

Sam: yeah I didn't so it's like they kind of bread off roads to be the same but one is more healthy than the other

Pat: doves are just bougie pigeons

Sam: that I don't know

Ash: so like the pigeons are great because they eat trash

Ned: so like how we call raccoons trash pandas we can start calling them trash doves

Ash: when trash Doves Cry

Ned: I also think I was like thinking back this is not something I'd thought of when I was a impressionable high school student watching this film but I I'm solidly impressed with whoever they got to do the bird handling in this film

Sam: Brett has a good theory on that

Bret: yeah I'm pretty sure the guy that was handling the birds was the bird hand

Ned: Lobster

Sam: yeah

Bret: the mobster yeah but don't Casteel on it in the shot he caught the bird twice

Pat: always the same one

Ned: same guy at both times

Bret: yeah yeah it wasn't like it wasn't like they cut and then he had it in his hand like he grabbed it on camera

Ned: shield in his hands

Sam: yeah yeah just flipped right over on its back cuz like take my feet

Ned: he also was a rough actor many of them were but like he was solidly rough so

Sam: yeah yeah

Ash: the acting in this film The French guys the best he's the best actor in the film and my opinion

Ned: he's amazing he's so good I highly recommend you look up his work he does so much TV work and he's soaked

Bret: yeah and he wasn't like even doing a lot but he kind of stole every scene he was in

Sam: I liked him

Bret: yeah

Ned: I also really love I will say my favorite actor is the like is Sonny the guy who gets shot through the drain pipe at the end of the movie like he's he's the one who has the most he's the simplest actor who has the most death because like out of nowhere he loves Leyva faith and that's what they give him a big fan of that guy

Bret: like a Verbatim

Sam: do you have him did you like how Brett's theory about how they came up with the name ghost dog was literally a whole scene in the film for their looks like Snoop Dogg and Flava Flav and

Ash: yeah I was like there it is there it is

Pat: yeah yeah I said I pointed it out like it or not

Bret: any and here's any

Ned: you said it and I was like see you in 2 hours yeah yeah

Bret: and while I wasn't super annoyed with with the most of the stuff that was weird in this movie that scene and that specific writing Trope is like gets on my nerves or it's like okay just cuz you called out your shity writing doesn't make it not shity they like but what if it was instead of instead of like making fun of rap names what if it was appropriating Native American culture instead see deeper than you thought audience Insight nothing just no stop

Ned: I don't think I've seen this movie since I went to college and I went to college on Cayuga Lake so when he was like I'm kayuga I was like blankets differently than it used to

Ash: I did like though that felt that scene felt set up you know where they were like doing the shity stuff about Native American names and then here we are with this guy that they think is Native American and he's like stupid white men you know

Pat: so bad Gary farmer he was in dead man he played nobody and he has a thin line and nobody call Johnny Depp stupid f****** white men

Ash: yes what the f***

Sam: you know you know

Ned: look you got to know your type that's a that's a great paycheck I also I do love the idea of this where I mean this world is insane right but also in this world there are three separate humans within a very small radius that all deal with pigeons on their roots

Sam: I think it's actually way more common than you know like

Ned: I want that sir that's our next podcast it's an investigative journalism piece on that

Ash: pigeon key

Sam: my brother yep my brother used to live with like a bunch of roommates and like the guy that owned the house cat pitches and then like a girl that went to college with me she's like his all my pigeons I'm like where the f*** are these people where do they come from

Bret: turns out and turns out pigeons aren't just like a wild nuisance they are all pets

Pat: every pigeon every pigeon is a pet

Bret: I feel like the 90s I mean sometimes there's stuff that's always a tropes is Trump the only word that that describes a thing that people did for a while but pigeons were thing in the 90s it was there is best there was that the home alone's I feel like pigeons were a big deal like rooftop pigeons are a big deal and Hey Arnold like it was just a thing

Pat: the pigeons is awake

Ash: yeah and then there's the the Trope of the gun buried under the floor you know there were quite a few tropes

Bret: super super cool floor panel thing

Ned: which which which is unlocked with a key under a panel less than a foot away

Sam: very secure

Pat: you have to know which panel and then you have to know which other panels to slide okay it's very guys know it's foolproof don't worry about it

Sam: I loved it

Pat: stop is perfect

Ash: yeah right

Ned: I was like mad they really wanted this in one shot didn't they let the single camera

Pat: yeah it was perfect my favorite 90s was in the cars they will like the CDs cuz you know number CDS kids

Ned: remember remember remember Kenwood stereo

Sam: I said that same thing

Ned: that flipped Downs you can put in the CD

Ash: oh yeah yeah

Pat: yes the stereos I had yes with the little league digital like in the little bars to go up and down yes yes yes

Sam: yeah Brett totally bought a knockoff of those at the flea market had it installed in his what 1991 Saturn

Ash: Spyro

Pat: I have one of my 95 Honda Accord

Sam: so sweet

Ned: my 1999 Honda Civic had like the exact stereo from one of those

Pat: oh yeah play that blue light

Ash: I'm pretty sure my car is still has a stereo like

Pat: the fact that has screen to get adjusted like turn up the bass and the little girl in the little bars that go up and down

Bret: how is having physical CDs so much worse and so much better than today

Ned: I'll fight back on that it's so much better today

Ash: yeah how's it better

Sam: yeah I actually I kind of miss the iPod but

Ned: I do miss the iPod

Bret: well you guys don't you don't live with Sam who is constantly asking the Google home to play a specific song and then it plays a cover of that song

Pat: that's frustrating

Sam: yeah well we're also we're mourning the loss of Google music because they switch to YouTube music so it will auto default to the most popular YouTube playlist instead of the author that you're asking to play

Ash: you have to ask the whole

Bret: she's like play like specific artist and specific album and it's just like a playlist as a f*** you

Sam: yeah so I asked I mean I had the Brett watched a YouTube video about how good the Shrek soundtrack is and like the score so I had it stuck in my head and I was like I was like play it has Powell jump out I was like play the Shrek score and then I was like okay plain track and it was like a f****** Shrek remix mixed with like

Bret: Shrek Trap remix

Pat: what what okay

Sam: yeah Shrek Trap remix as like this is f****** b******* what the f***

Ned: that is the sentence of my nightmares

Ash: I actually want to hear this Trap remix

Pat: what do you use Google home

Pat: Spotify you can leave your Spotify to it

Bret: are trying real hard only pay for one service

Sam: we previously had paid for Google music and we didn't have Spotify set up yeah I think we're switching

Pat: well so I use Spotify and then we'll cuz on your phone once playing on the Google home if it's not exactly what you want you can open the app on your phone and keep playing it on the house speaker and like change on your phone and get exactly what you want

Ash: Apple music problems

Ned: I also do the Apple music

Bret: sorry to the the 5 listeners of the show that listen to us on Spotify but I don't like Spotify for giving Joe Rogan so much money

Sam: before we delve into politics can we wrap up so I got 10 minutes to get my pregnancy burrito

Bret: sure sure

Ned: 10 minutes to Burrito

Sam: dismiss order

Ash: Sofrito oh gosh

Bret: wrap up wrap up

Ned: how does how does the wrap-up work on your show

Bret: yeah so do we

Ash: we go one at a time

Pat: do you want to go positive to negative cuz I feel like I know this order is going to go

Ash: or did she or did you want to go negative to positive I didn't know spell it

Pat: rip the bandaid off

Bret: ask ask get it out of the way you go first

Ash: okay

Bret: perfect as is

Ash: I thought this movie was super boring I thought the main character was extremely passive and didn't actually do much in the film plot wise not a lot happened and despite what you guys said at the beginning of the podcast I found this extremely predictable it's very it's very like he literally tells you what he's going to do before he does it with these like passages from the book there's really not any surprises in the plot there's not a lot of character development in my opinion he doesn't really change he's the same character throughout the whole film and

Pat: interrupt your final thoughts

Ash: and yeah I just to be a perfectly honest with you I'm mad that I had to wash the stone because I really didn't like

Sam: all of the movies you're mad at this one

Ash: this was really bad yeah it was so boring oh my guy like I was watching the movie and I kept checking the time code and being like how is there still an hour left how is there still 30 minutes left how is there still 9 minutes left like I was just counting down the time till this film would be over and then Pat's like watch these scenes again with the subtitles and like do I really have to the movie I don't want to watch anymore so I'm sorry I did not enjoy it the only seems I found in even remotely interesting or the scene with the bear and shooting the guy through the sink and the rest of it I just nothing really happened nothing interesting I don't know I just didn't didn't enjoy it and there were a lot of directorial and acting decisions that I found extra like Reggie I'm sorry

Ned: you don't have to apologize

Ash: we can still be friends

Sam: alright is this technically like an amazing movie no I think the assessment of it being a film 101 movie is is accurate but I was kind of surprised at how much I got out of it and cheerleader day in the whole time surprisingly I think I came out liking it in a weird way with the full acknowledgment that is not like the best movie but I think what they did they did pretty well it certainly flawed and dated yeah I don't know it is what it is I think it's definitely a better version of the movie that we all hated but I can't think of the name Boondock like it's is not

Ash: oh yeah I mean it's yes absolutely

Pat: it doesn't exist all domestic terrorism

Sam: exactly

Ash: well kind of a little girl picks up a gun I kind of

Bret: well yes it it doesn't extol religious terrorism

Ash: yea religious terrorism

Pat: I would argue it doesn't glorify that though I would say I would argue with friends like kind of not pleasant but

Sam: yeah I agree with that and like it wasn't until after she felt threatened that she picked the gun up so it's like a little different yeah so definitely some cultural appropriation problems that also kind of like an interesting look into like minorities and how they're treated and like it created its own weird funky little universe that kind of helped me suspend my disbelief of like Mobsters running around shooting each other I enjoyed it and leave it there

Bret: there's a band that I really like

Bret: that why you always what you know it always has a point that always gets there and you're always like

Ned: what a leadoff though what a leadoff to the essay that is whatever wrap-up is coming

Pat: I was a super I want a Supercut I want to see what kind of breast final thoughts like opening lines that are like miles away from his point and then he has like get back to

Ash: and the amount of times it takes the Same by like just disappear shock you married this man Sam you know

Sam: I should know but every time is like where the f*** are you going with this all right there's a band big sexy

Sam: yeah I'm actually followed this

Ash: the first 30 minutes

Bret: where is the band that I really liked and it's it's a band that I cannot actively say is a good band because they're there it is big sexy noise and they are they are ugly on purpose every sound in every track is abrasive and gross and gritty and like it hurts your ears but together they create something that is intentional and cohesive in a way that I wasn't expecting and I go back and check it out again because it's just like that was really interesting the way they f****** did this they made art with a bunch of stuff that I didn't really like and that's kind of that's kind of how this movie was for me was there's a bunch of stuff in this movie that I don't like I was full leonti mash for the first like 30 minutes until like stuff happened cuz I was like they are taking a long time to get to the point here by first I sent it to you out to the group. When it was opening shot of the film on the on the roof and I was like it's the it's the pigeon coop from f****** Batteries Not Included the other like one of the worst movies we've ever watched

Sam: that one I hated way worse than this movie

Bret: that was that was a f****** dumpster fire

Ash: you guys need to go back and read listen to that episode because you guys defended that film and he were not on team hating it but ever since you have a memory of hating it for some reason but we listen to the episode if you guys liked it at the end

Bret: I think that was said it that was before the time when we were like we could openly just f****** hate things I don't care about hurting the feelings anymore it's over 20/20 b******

Sam: I also was brought to us very sincerely by our first listener so we wanted to try

Pat: my favorite breakfast

Bret: yeah we were trying not to crash tax feeling sorry attack but so anyway this is this is a visual version of a bunch of dissonant noise that came together to create something that's pretty interesting the the appropriation the racial slurs but there's a problematic stuff in the movie for sure cinematography stuff that I wasn't a fan of specifically that we know the other weird frame jumping and all of that the it's just too reminiscent of other movies that end like like Boondock Saints and the recently reviewed Gangs of New York where they were like paymate let's let's make our own f****** Boondocks but like it's it's two gangs in New York or whatever I will never watch it again I would say this is another movie that's in the category

Ash: interview has so many ups and downs

Ned: rollercoaster of emotion

Bret: it's because it's a it's the conflicting movie because I didn't hate it I actually like this movie I'm never going to watch it again but I it's in it's like every Stephen King movie that I watched It's the conversation that we've had about it in the second half of the show is way more fun than the movie was that's it's it's a thing that's going to be more fun to remember than it was to watch and for that it was worth it

Pat: I'm fast I think all the criticisms have FairPoint and especially those things that I like a lot of Ashes criticisms are objectively there are some objective correctness to it I still like enjoyed watching it there's something about it that is very I like how slow it is and how like Loki and Lo-Fi it is and just UW Nostalgia cuz like that I'd like this when I discovered this is a young impressionable lad and obviously that colors it a little bit but something about it is very

Sam: I love that

Ned: I tweeted out that I was watching this movie and a bunch of people have gotten back to me on various forms and one of them was a crew being like I watched this movie in a high school philosophy class and I don't know if I learned a lot about philosophy but this movie left its Mark run and like I feel like that's that's part of the vibe of the movie so shut up two dice Papi life which is a wonderful podcast of people want to know but for me like I we live in an age of Slick still making everything is about slickness it's about cleanliness it's about it's about the most polished packaged products you can put together and delivered 222 audiences and in a time like that I think we I think there is a loss of Ernest filmmaking the only kind of greedy filmmaking that's getting made as your Noah baumbach's right it's your it's your dramatic heart ranchers like they don't know one's making Ernest films right now and there's a lot of earnestness to even the really ugly parts of this film which I think is the point and I found myself Charmed by a movie that is so simple that it plainly lays out what it wants you two to talk about and then doesn't shy away from it for the whole film is that a good thing I don't know if it'll make that kind of movie but I hope I have the balls to someday

Bret: right on

Ned: yeah me too

Ash: yeah I think that earnestness toybiz is very good you know I think I personally I'm not against CGI I do like CG and I have made many stuff with CG but I think the problem was CG is a lot of times it makes filmmakers focus on like the perfect penis of like making something so perfect and you because when you're putting CG into something you're really watching that clip over and over and over again more times than you would if you were just at Adena normal scene and I think that makes maybe filmmakers overanalyze and Hyper analyze and we get these films you know don't get me wrong I love the Marvel films but you get these films like tomorrow phones that come out and every single frame is like perfect and gorgeous and you know beautifully manicured and all that stuff and so you don't get the Rough Around the Edges you don't get the dirty you know nothing Don film anymore you don't get the dirty hairs and Grains and scratches in the film and stuff like that and and you don't get like you know we talked about practical effects a lot in this podcast cuz I think we're all fans of it whenever we see it and he know that always feels nitty-gritty little more dirty in real so

Sam: oh yeah

Ned: the perfect example of the overly polish film that makes me want to die is a alita-battle-angel shout-out to one of the most over polished turds I've ever watched

Pat: is the reason you don't see her in his films anymore these days now you know cuz it wouldn't be the same without Jim Bernie got arrested

Bret: I knew you were going to say it

Ash: who is that

Bret: thank you for coming on the show if you want to tell everybody

Ned: I'm so happy to have built this

Bret: tell everyone where they can find you again

Ash: oh no I'm Googling it

Ned: you can find me at Ned Donovan everywhere there's a pretty famous British pretty famous British journalist named Annette Donovan but I got in before he did on the Internet so he's forced to have like other versions with sometimes I get his hate mail which is kind of funny by big project right now is in counterparty I don't know when this episode launches but we're recording it 3 days before the third season launches season 1 spent just less than 8 weeks on Apple's new and noteworthy charge season 2 is charted in 50 countries become be fiction and we just literally earlier this week got a feature article by Syfy talking about what we're doing this season 3 and onwards and I hope you'll come check out the show

Ash: it's too bad it's not doing well I'm so sorry to hear that

Ned: I have made a bunch of failure projects and encounter party is not one of them yet

Ash: that's like a whole other conversation we should have about like failure and I just released a video about failing at making a film and has been like my whole steam since I released it is all this I think that's interesting talking about people don't talk about how much you fail before you succeed

Ned: if we want to get on a cut on the Hornets or about that ass at any time I've got laundry list of talks to talk about

Ned: go get your burrito

Ash: Sam needs to get a burrito though so we'll do it later

Bret: yes engage the audience

Ash: and if you want to follow us you can follow us at Alexa re-watch on a Twitter we do fun things like we do movie poles where you guys get to pick the movie or in this case where you didn't pick the movie I tweet a screenshot and we see who can guess the movie and the chosen one project. It came right in and said ghost dogs also Dole Whip and dreams just came in with Ghost Dog and he knew that it was with Med of course

Ned: I love Maddy good good it's on his business card actually

Ash: yes check out check out meds episode of Dole Whip and dreams cuz he was on that as well

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Sam: use a used to be

Ash: oh that's such a good one

Ned: you know that's one that I said not as good on as a repeat

Sam: yeah I wish I had that fear

Ash: I haven't seen in a long time

Sam: is originally supposed to be called basil of Baker Street and then they changed the name

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Bret: all right and then passed something cplv and then we can close out

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Ned: Rob Thomas not that one is

Ash: this is extra funny because I was talking about how I didn't get the name of that podcast last time

Ned: I'm a big Matchbox 20 fan over

Ash: it's not that one though

Bret: well they are and join us next time when we watch the sequel to lavalantula 2 lava 2 lantula

Sam: oh my god really cute. On that please

Bret: it's a tarantula of lava