The Birdcage with Matty Lime

When angsty teen Billy Corgan get's falsely accused of smashing pumpkins in his neighborhood, it's up to Dr. Harleen Quinzel to clear his name and find the killer. But can she prove Billy's innocence? Or will Billy, despite all his rage, be just a rat in The Birdcage?

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look up the intro cuz it was so good and we have a guest and I'm not going to wear with the chance to have some snarky b******* about how wow we did it guys hate we have got from the Dole Whip and dreams podcast our fellow show on the cpov network sister Maddy Lions Pat's face is turning red because you weren't inhaling oxygen for so long that we've been doing for the past 6 months this is a moment I've been waiting for since audio even waiting to have Maddie on the show since collage audio you're talking about the Portland arts and crafts College I did not go to that college arts and crafts College ask but hell yeah today or we are watching The Birdcage which I'm super excited about and this was one of the many movies that Maddie picked and that we put up on a pole that won the pole so all of you humans are correct in choosing the birdcage good job Maddie I'm looking for the show but I'm also kind of disappointed that you did not horses to watch a classic Disney movie yeah considering your podcast Dole Whip and dreams is all about disease and I I was conflicted at first I was like I threw up some Disney's and in my defense they were f****** conquers like The Country Bears sooner rather than later so I never have to do it again I've been such a fan of the show for so long and I am geeking out now that you all were on the network and I was like the you have to be gay month otherwise it's illegal not to be gay month and smells like mint let's do some like super game a friend like other things Pat I believe those are those are your own worst about that life subject of your pic of Disney movies I was shocked and that I had to actually Google audio which one no no hell no ice on Xanadu and I made Brett listen to the Xanadu soundtrack as I post audio is so good I haven't seen that one see I had to leave that one up I had to look up Something Wicked This Way Comes cuz I thought it was a stage play Because when we lived in Pasadena did it at the local theater I didn't know it was based off of a Disney movie I didn't know that either actually and it is Thriller based in an English Countryside where a girl went missing under mysterious circumstances in the explosion and a cathedral starring very older Betty Davis as her mother and these Americans move into the manor house and the little girls start hearing voices and experiencing things and so it's a little extra terrestrial it's a little horror suspense it has the most deflated ending all I can say is mylar wasp but that's all I'm going to say it is it is I feel like those are like the best category of movies isn't like every of Night Shyamalan movie that was liking we did another path of case and I did devil which no one has seen and it but it's like it's so almost an excellent movie like it's just a Jason but like anal through the wall next door like audio audio Circus Comes to a quiet New England town in the early 90s and Jonathan prices in it and it's legitimately audio Like Roses Dead we don't know what to do turn in black hole yes interesting times cinematic that isn't a strong pitch for Dole Whip and dreams how interesting that segment was and it was released in 1996 around that era of good good movies released in the 90s no no no yes 817 Awards and it was nominated for 24 including nominations for Oscar and Golden Globe and so the budget was 31 million would anybody like to guess what the opening weekend us was any guesses if I were a lot or Nothing at All okay so it's confirm one side for me it is Robin Williams correct yeah and this is like Pete Rock okay is that a good word bud under budget you're saying under budget budget back opening week so a Pat is correct it made 18 million opening weekend and you have to remember but this is a movie about two gay men audio this feels like a sleeper movie like and then the word of mouth made it big however I believe that at the yasso at in my fax year at that point 18 million it was the highest weekend opening gross for an openly gay character until the movie Bruno audio what don't talk about that movie that's like that's a weird example to use but okay audio yeah we do not include that engagement yeah. I think right Maddie I just I just feel like I know is that what comes out and then all the all the straights are like this is the gay we want to see I mean well. Includes a very long dichotomy of audio character tropes that are willing Grace not useful today but we're still aggressive comedy with comedy and so tell the shittiest joke you can and everyone will laugh at it and now we're going let's not make this all about the shock Factor and let's be honest you watch Will and Grace for Karen absolutely and worldwide though it gross 185 million so they made it back up yeah I'm okay that feels like real strong actually for audio yeah totally our director is Mike Nichols Dental graduate and closer yeah and it's I didn't realize this but it's based on a play a French play which I was not aware about an AR screenplay is by a lane actually American music yes yeah thank you I didn't want to even like you try to say it cuz I was like I know I'll f*** it up that's why we're here we're here for to hear us mispronounce things Ash I'm pretty sure do not do not go down this track because then Brett will start baby talking into the microphone and we don't f****** need that right now we have a killer cast absolutely of course we have Robin Williams who has been on the podcast before with Jumanji how you might also know him from mrs. Doubtfire which we need to do ya really bad and touching movies now we also have a Nathan Lane who this was actually his like Breakout Blockbuster roll before this East Broadway Timon Lion King is 95 right earlier what sodas was like his breakout on screen listen listen up voice actors your s*** doesn't count audio we also have Gene Hackman who is also fantastic by the way quick side IMDb sack he has a hundred IMDb acting credits holyshit and then we have Dianne Wiest who you might remember from Practical Magic Edward Scissorhands or The Lost Boys I remember Practical Magic audio would be curious to watch that one on the podcast because I remember liking it and I'm pretty sure it's a bad movie is that the one with the audio audio audio and then we have Dan Waterman who was also in Capote we have Calista Lockhart who you know as Ally McBeal mrs. Harrison Ford I also see a fun fact the women by their husband I think you needed mystical heart that you were doing that specifically goat sound there are so many cool people and Robot Chicken and it's so hard to know because like the credit scroll by really fast and then you just see them as these little puppet and then you Bryan Cranston and then we have one of my faves Hank Azaria so great he was in mystery man who's the voice of Abu on The Simpsons which is his best one yet audio to his credit voted willfully said I am happy to step down from different stories about oh okay e claims he was told to do the accent there's writers at claims like nope he did that on his own he's guessing he's awake yeah voice actor of what he's got audio weather predictions is accent working this movie is a little more interesting facts that will get to because I wasn't sure about that either and I don't know if they will change your mind so he is white yes I just double-checked but he's one of those white people that are very tan and could pass Riley Anderson feminist Checker but Brett is the everything PC checker unless it's French or English people apparently I got that real funny and ely's let in my God and we also have Christine Baranski which will recognize from Chicago very great so that's all I have for the cast on to the facts so claims that he based his character's voice on his grandmother apparently not the Rachel thing though his character is Guatemalan and he also said that he was worried that it sounded too stereotypical until he asked tag a friend of his who thought it was more realistic questionable I don't know listen to gays are not always be a barometer for class or a political correctness which we're having the conversation now just cuz you're queer doesn't make you a good person so like you know it's safe. even though is a marginalized group can be just as problematic as non marginalized groups so I love him so much like I asked my gay friend and they said it's okay it's things being like I have a black friend I can say that yeah I totally in that category like my my ex-friends said this was fine hold on let's just listen to take it Waka back a little bit audio OverWatch difficult people yes I am not the biggest are you allowed to say that listen I will call RuPaul and herbosa and I don't like Billy Eichner take my day card if you need to audio audio yeah it's a continuous the problematic Miss of that character he apparently also did it several times on episodes of The Simpsons so I could Doris partagas is in several episodes of The Simpsons Robin Williams was originally cast as Nathan Lane's character Albert but he wanted to try something new since he already was kind of known for more flamboyant type characters so he asked to be recast as Armand that was interesting and originally when he was cast is Nathan Lane's character and this I just don't see this working at all Steve Martin was cast as Armand Goldman can you get the gross foppish stereotypical performance audio yeah and I mean you know and this is such an interesting movie because nowadays there's such a rightfully so fight LGB keeps I'm sorry how many are there characters for them to be represented by actors who actually are you know that gay or bi or whatever and when this movie came out was gay but he wasn't openly gay interstate and of course from Williams isn't gay so it's a weird mix of yay for the gay community but also not yay for the you know as far as who's playing what I know this is different when it comes to like trans characters I think we should stop casting such people as train start with dis I think gay actors who play straight characters no issue I think if a straight actor Insperity openness and honesty is letting the character tell the story the story I actually point you really great gay couples in cinema inflammation and so like I think it's that delicate balance that Nathan Lane and Robin Williams found together as a couple to actually make this movie so it is a really great example of what audio audio decorum even when he's playing the most classless of Terror yeah Steve Martin wouldn't have had she would have played every shity joke in the book and I think they would have thought they would have had Robin Camp it up so much that it would have felt like the biggest audio audio yeah and and speaking of that this was an interesting fact that I found out the filmmaker the director hired a filmmaker Rick McKay to go round 4 months before they even started filming The Birdcage and he went to Paris London San Francisco and Atlanta and he made a feature-length documentary about drag queens just for Nathan Lane and Robin Williams so that they could study and understand what drag queens are and what their life is like and their performance and I've never heard of a filmmaker doing that Irene another filmmaker to make a documentary for your actors so interesting I don't know I know yeah that would be so I bet you it's probably on like special edition version of DVD or something yeah they watching that thing and in Robin Williams like I'm learning so much Nathan Lane Nathan Lena just done really well known Revival of Guys and Dolls Nathan Detroit with Peter Gallagher and feed prince instead of that like he he comes from that feeder background and so he know even if Jose prices being where it was and so it was still not somewhere even theater or New York where you wanted identifier I would love to see I would love to see that movie be interesting even in ellisia it's so weird honestly just weird remembering that there was a time that people were in like that's just blows my mind today audio like like openly hostile like everyone all the time like and that I was alive then bright conversation with my mom last night because in high school I was the president of the gay-straight alliance Club and because I was so like open Samsung your advocate for a long time gone before us a funny story audio so because of that a lot of teachers it kind of came out to me and entrusted me and looking back on it with my mom I realize like wow in the mid-2000s like it was not a safe time to be a gay teacher and it was not unheard of for people to be fired or Parents try angry letters so it was super dangerous for them to be out Lake in Oregon there was a a teacher who won like teacher of the year and he was at the Forefront of this huge like discrimination case and like making real positive change so we've come super far and I just want to say shirt on time but it's really not it's like 15 years but still it was really interesting actually finally why they made that documentary for them was like two of the fluid come out just before this Patrick Swayze Wesley Snipes and John Leguizamo as drag queens but like it wasn't an accurate portrayal of like we're life or what drag life is actually like it so it's one of those that are really high fantasy of it right audio audio fish with that and then Priscilla Queen of the Desert came out of Australia just before that free movies straight people in Drag the in the system most like Slice of Life version of it kind of looked at those and then make this in made it a little more authentic and so that the film geek and me for this fact had to bring it up but there's a two-minute opening sequence that looks like it's one continuous Steadicam shot but in fact it's three separate shots that are seamlessly combined through dissolves matting and morphine which I thought was really cuz I think I always thought it was one I Shot Ya the big the big secret is basically all of those shots are that hardly any modern movies yeah I was very quick to be like no no you're not there are so many pets we can see you setting up for different shots in the promo video that you posted okay and Birdman too there's like 10 I mean they did if I haven't seen 1917 yet I really want to but Birdman there either fan there's one sequence in particular that I think you're going to be like tops videographer audio natural lighting right in 1917 okay movie Don I thought this was an interesting note because as we're of course talking about gay rights but also there was an interesting footnote fact about the spill that has to do with black lives matter in a little bit of a way but so David Alan Grier was originally cast as the role of the butler racial implications and the cultural differences from the play cause the production to combine the butler role and Hank azeras character the foresight in 1996 to be like you know what maybe we shouldn't have a black guy be a butler that's probably a bad idea I mean I think that I don't know that it's any better today Guatemalan character has the butler that's the other thing is I still like you One race out for another but it still may be problematic I feel like this is let's find Hank Azaria is not problematic role somewhere no he's playing black character in that cuz if you jokes it is hard to like also someone that's going to Miami a lot in like knowing the demographics of Miami Atlanta next housekeeper in Miami especially in the 90s but it's also one of those things like do we settle for that or do we do better didn't hear just been a sassy gay housekeeper and not a sassy gay Latin X housekeeper especially because there's the probably get to it later but the like that my mother was a shaman in high priestess or whatever and then it's like from New Jersey I still laugh at it but it's one of those things that thing the thing that hasn't aged well dates it is it just like hang Azaria doesn't age well. audio you could have done MCU stuff man he does have a is 2 how many is a pattern are wheelies illegal Maddie characters like bumblebee man which is Latin X characters that's right maybe I guess he's been hired because like Ashley Ariana Grande audio you're fine you're out and it's acting like we love it and like we're on our calling people could even like putting them in the turban and everything in Mystery Men like I get that it was a but like he was even putting on that idea like old man Denny's over there like they made me do the Opera voice and they like alright Hank well then like a white guy audio I feel like he goes okay but if I can't do a fun voice how can I even be the character small bitten like that Ben Stiller movie or someone with audio Alexis scuba instructor he's doing a weird Azaria if you want to weed shops with free watch will have you on the show audio buy capillarian love him too bad I will say in his defense I don't think there's anything racially problematic with his character in the movie Run Fatboy Run are you sure you want to make these clear give him that one bad track record this is why I cut in like the super horrible thing from that movie other ways I don't think it's so Good by David Schwimmer which is crazy Ross from Friends label the directing is good fantastic but I am but there's this thing I've seen a correlation or some similarities with sports and movies where actors and athletes to make it to the top level but in that realm work and seems kind of average are actually really good coaches and directors because it had to get there I don't like Michael Jordan they have to like no another example in the movie world would be like maybe save Ben Affleck has been a director of some really good movies acting is I don't he doesn't bother me but you know he's definitely been lampooned over the years I feel like that's the most call out on the show what's he going to say just be better than everyone else could ask him just be better but Steve Kerr who is a phenomenal coach who was a good player but definitely not like a super superstar he is a phenomenal coach is one multiple rings as a coach so I feel like I see that correlation where if you are kind of Middle Road playing or doing or acting you had to pay a lot more attention do the details in the ins-and-outs of the ancillary sings makes you better at explaining to other people and giving guidance other people wear if you just phenomenal or something how do I tell you to be better than and you ask him to go how'd you do that and then you just do it but the people that I struggled hadn't had to Lake hone in their craft oh well I always thought you knows this way but if you move your hand like this and then use the side of your pencil then you'll get a better stroke and it's like oh thank you that's really helpful director I see that kind of all the time where I've learned the most outside of like a directing classroom or they just go just do the thing I be directing book is the same as audio the director's I like to work with the most are people who where actors first and audio being in a classroom audio I don't know that David Trevor is necessarily a bad actor though I think you did very good job at making everyone hate Ross that was what he was supposed to do again I feel like very fair to say he is like about as middle As It Gets is that all the friends to it's the worst thing ever the validation well that's all of my facts should we get to our movie is 2 hours long we must have prediction let's wait so has everybody Sam you haven't seen it I have not has anyone else not feed it it's so far back in my memory that I pretty much haven't seen it although I've seen it like a couple of times okay let's start was Sam and go to bed because I don't want their expectations soil our expectations very excited to watch this my college roommate loved this movie and was shocked and appalled I had not seen it but we were broke college students and we didn't want to pay twenty bucks for the DVD is no Digital streaming Netflix or anything it's so somehow it slipped through the cracks and I never saw it and then we start the podcast and it's kind of been floating around is like full I can't watch it I got to be the one who hasn't seen it for the podcast audio very excited to finally be watching it I expect it to be incredibly fun really light-hearted at with a little bit of like you know sweetheart to it and weirdly I kind of expected to have kind of the comedy tone of the producers movie which I think I'm only drawing that connection because of Nathan Lane because The Producers for the stage play turn into a movie right so I'm kind of expecting similar feels with like a very different aesthetic I'd say this one feels much more like on normal movie The Producers feels like stage but as far as like comedy level I could see that yeah that's my prediction I'm hoping I love it I predict why don't I don't know I don't want to jinx it I feel like you're going to love it I love it I like to but I'm so scared to be wrong Brett okay I got two two two slices of of thoughts about this number one and I feel like I was alone on this when I brought it some of those movies really good sounds movies are really really bad is that like the serious ones or bad or do you mean funny ones too no I feel like I'm slick scrolling through Robin Williams movies and it was more like like I'm 60 years or he made like amazing movies of all time and then like before I never seen and after I seen a man I didn't like audio audio this might be like it's right smack in the middle all of the good movies Payday for sure so I have actually high hopes for this Robin Williams film which is why I feel like I'm usual for my my usual guest for Robin Williams but I think this was going to be good just cuz of the timing number two what I think the movies actually going to be like cuz I don't freaking remember nothing about it I remember when we were we're getting married me and Sam and we were doing making those all plants and then you drop the plants after it's been like days like talking Eminem you pick up pick up the box in the bottom falls out and they just everywhere and I was in the back of the house and you came and you're like waving your hands in the air and just like the movie Bruce Almighty when blanket on the actor's name now or he throws his hands back and his clothes go off wearing a sweatshirt and I have my arms up close like that I threw my arms back and just shot my sweatshirt off of my body boneless Naruto run yes accurate electric exactly what that imagery is audio in my head that's also the energy I remember from this movie is something happens where everyone just starts screaming and freaking out and that's the only thing in my brain is this the scene where everyone sits like so I'm looking forward to that if it happens I'm not saying it doesn't happen I just remember that she just wanted to put that I did want to just tell the story but I'm getting in the car and driving to our wedding so the Panic was real well then on top of that it wasn't the first time they would asteroid and you were there the second time they got destroyed Michael for the wedding maybe I will put him in the back of his truck got lost took the wrong freeway ended up like almost in Nevada instead of Northern California they bounced around in the back of his truck for like 12 hours and they destroyed half the amount of I love movies that have frantic energy that seems to be a thing that that problem Williams can I enter College movie having maybe not reroute its entirety but at least one the segment that I'm really going to get a kick out of audio cat I think overall is going to be very entertaining I'm hoping I do I love I love French Robin Williams energy I love when he goes on like a he just kind of going off it's one of a handful of celebrity deaths of the last like two decades at really affected me a check ride audio everything to Denny's and wept into my moons moons over my Hammy audio so I think overall it's going to be a very entertaining enjoyable film I think it through talk about I don't think it's going too far out on a limb to stay there will definitely be some gay jokes that will not age well audio I am pessimistic about Hank Azaria as performance holding up going to be a big ball of not cool but overall I think the combo of Nathan Lane and Robin Williams will be so delightful and endearing positive viewing expiry I like that I like that you're judging things on an edit I always do that but then that you've been burned too many times I will love this and I had myself I know I just we just got this other filmmaker that's going to guest on episode was like yeah check it out and he listen to Boondock Saints The First episode to listen to and I was like oh no audio hopefully you enjoyed the show. I guess so I frequently visit this picture especially when I just finished my my Master's and so it is my distress film so if I do something I will sit and watch it warm fuzzies and actually I think everyone's going to appreciate something just going kind of opposite of pot that Robin Williams is normally she has a beautifully eclectic Montage admits that is very Robin Williams but what appreciate I think what everybody's can appreciate the most is his scripted monologuing in this movie which aisle is just so point in so powerful and so I think even the moments that are going to age well or going to be out outweighed by those really strong and moving mouth yeah totally yeah I am right there with you to Maddie wasn't super scared about the problematic thing that I wasn't thinking about until Mitch pointed it out on Twitter and I was like oh so I won't say it cuz I won't spoil anything for you guys who don't remember but there's a big problem with the plot for this movie that I was like um yeah like like that doesn't make sense or like plot is racist not racist because of one character and I love that Mitch immediately would like you have to do it so you can talk about it pictures of a character was supposed to like in this one of our actually we're not going to like exactly yeah audio going into it with that different perspective I'm concerned about that and Hank Azaria but besides that I think this movie will be really funny it's incredibly lighthearted and I think that side boob flat issue at the end of the day the messages right you know so so I hope that that makes up for all those things but I am very excited because I love this film I watch this film so many times over and over again this is one of those films were like if it came on TV I would stop everything I was doing and watch this film because it's so heartwarming and wonderful and hilarious so I'm hoping it holds up for that pause the recording here and go and watch The Birdcage and we'll let you know what we thought of it when we get back audio void cage was shot why the number of birds audio I'm sorry I'm sorry before we keep going I have to say something and I just I can't chewing gum and popping gum while I am trying to guest on your show do something about it audio sing the song though sorry Pat so did it as soon as we got on the mic audio audio option. We're not going to think we I mean I am the end at the end I'm trying to look up a list of uses of that song in movies cuz it was there a song from 1985 1999 always use more set the scene to specific scene is Florida or a Latin country settings in this song the next song audio were there any other songs during that time I don't think so not only other songs only half in jest because that song with such a large part of my childhood Gloria was everywhere and so she is his also in 1999 they were tired Congo and All Star Play the song that was in every movie yeah Edgewood have a list of who is the greatest of all time being being Shrek and or the Digimon movie one of the two I forgot about that Mario popular enough to have their first three Japanese movies in one American release cuz it was a 15-minute movie a 45-minute movie and an hour long movie so they just put them all together audio audio because out there they'll do like the Super Sentai which is their Power Rangers their hour-long yearly movie with like the Sailor Moon mini movie and the Digimon mini movie and then you go and you see like for movies and an evening I can't like summer to be like I'm a filmmaker listen there's some real quality TED Talks I think the distinction Pat wants to make is between like a feature film and short form content can't put like a million tiktoks together and be like it's a feature unless you plan it that way I'm going to pull that quote and then that's going to be our internet Challenge and we're going to have a feature I mean isn't that basically a equip the quickie where did the things where they like would redo Star Wars or whatever and everybody would do like 5 seconds or something and then they stitch them all together is that a baby still around that fail yet no it's it's not yet started didn't it didn't it literally just launched I feel like that it's been around for like 2 months now and I don't think anyone's using it Jeffrey katzenberg listenwise you don't mention that man's name stupid deep enemy of the dream podcast what play Overlord enemy of the Pod oh my God Disney challenge my time BioLife lights The Birdcage here is why we haven't been if I can go with you I would love to have with you because age not going to make it 40 40 minutes 7:30 oh okay for my 7:25 so I have time to run downstairs turn on the thing like that so I just want to say but I still love this movie however Mitch was so right I did such a piece of s*** that can you refresh us on exactly what Mitch said he's like the worst human being ever and yes he is yeah absolutely no the movie did not try to make him not look like a piece of s*** every single moment he was on screen it was like that f****** American Psycho like close up like sweaty forehead oh yeah yeah he paid me to look like a monster the worst moment for me is when Albert is talking about literally going and killing himself just like it's all right you know it'll be better without an uncle anyway like no care for Albert's feelings like they've been raising you as a dad this is this is your dad's like partner and all it took him all the way to the 2 minutes before the end where he was just like no not my mother no actually you are my mother and then like we're supposed to be like he's such a nice boy I found 19 movies and TV shows or Congress has been you audio I love your dedication to that Pat audio not the worst but like pretty awful like generic white boys with some scruff I don't remember what he plays in Capote do you remember if you just a journalist audio oh yeah fall is the worst audio audio oh yeah audio I mean you guys kind of see what we're targeting before is like that idea of is Nathan Lee wasn't there in Robin Williams with that role I think it would have been a completely different movie that effectively at all Sno-Way getting back to the hole like bowsing though I want to fart too much on him because obviously we all know he's a dark angels are playing but go ahead but like no no no a lot of this movie though doesn't quite make sense because how long do they think that they're going to be able to pull off a name change in hiding that they're gay the idea this film is we're going to lie to her parents then you're going to get married and you're going to take his real name how are you going to cover it up bed was Nathan Lane going to be get together and it's called tradition audio I think I see is the thought there was that the dad couldn't take another Scandal right now so they were going to pretend in the short-term while it was all scandalous and then figure it out later but they made the plan to go down there after the Scandal audio you seem like this doesn't really make any sense well I mean I don't think the sun was too smart I think that's well that's obvious audio they have only there's no cuz she's 18 20 we've only known each other a semester it is the fall semester or like maybe the winter at the longest they've maybe known each other three to four months why are they sleeping together for a year yes cabinets 18 tell your parents that like yeah audio that's just what's so so funny about it everything he said was such a great like skewering of City Republican politics okay so back to the Val thing Steve Alford I actually think it was like beautifully subtly has like a dig on everyone that pretends to be like gay rights or Pro for the underprivileged people and then audio performative activism and like at the time I'm sure it played as like a relatable like everyone was like oh yeah like I owe you okay you just hide who you really are just for this really please weigh differently now and really poignant like of course this is a ridiculous ridiculous asking like you know can we can you just not BJ so we don't offend can we just make them out a little more comfortable please take into consideration to that I believe I just looked it up and I think the is like older than 1978 so the play is even older the 90s but that's no excuse but I'm just saying the musical takes place on the French Riviera so it is very Jeffrey they've a British sensibility but the family does but you know it's also that thing of like Dow is easily diversity affirmative action an example of like white people getting to use affirmative action in the 90s cuz they're like oh this kid who comes from a cool art community whose dads are gay in 1996 is way cooler than being like oh cool you're the kid from down the street with the gay dads we got seven gay couples with kids on the street like one of those things that like perspective wise actually A really lovely person from from her and she's way better than ballast so it's almost like we don't get any redeeming qualities about which also the chemistry was not there also never met someone who is delightful human being kind of deplorable wait let me check my memory banks yep checks out I'm old enough to have my own ideas but not old enough to know that most of them are wrong audio yeah but they don't look you can be 20 in your heart can be in the right place 20 you're probably wrong about a lot of things you're probably insufferable audio look at your life and just stop just think about it think about it school it's okay just keep going just honestly I feel worse for you because it was already shity for us and it's going to be worse for you when you're our age because we can't afford to buy a house you probably will be able to buy a car by the time or they this is the old folks podcast listen if you are in that age Grant I'm sorry we tried as many as we tried so hard we sent our most visited so far audio I hate you also remind me into this are you going to prove audio as an elder millennial traffic hat oh my God I feel like someone was about to say something really good and then I cut them off that's the show audio audio oh yeah Val is a s*** that we really don't like like it's not even just the fact that he wants to shake the foundation of his very like family but also like he doesn't talk respectfully to any of the other drag queen or agador Ori Tali they're doing like the other drag queens don't have to be redoing the apartment just trying to help he's just b***** with them like every turn no notice and yeah just constantly upset the they're bending over backwards wasn't good enough went to the thrift store to buy a moose head and she's like like they're trying girl trying really hard and I want to jump on it real quick I do feel like Hank Azaria accent was the greatest from like a problematic standpoint but I like his beard I like that his character is very sweet and endearing and I'll be really it would have it what what I will say is it would have been really easy to do this Grady flamboyant stereotype and also be like audio yes so the accent was eager to like how can be helpful to the family that like cuz you just try to be nice all time having the help being minority thing get too bad of a sensor that I kind of got the sense that like he was an underling and he they were kind of prepping him for the stage and like I needed to give him a job and that was like the job he was suited for as he kind of worked his way up the ranks so that part bother me so much but they have cast and actual latinx person I did a little bit of research on that because I was like is he really and I guess he does have Glisan thank you very much okay she's part Jewish part Greek but from ancestors that came from Spain. they're not Heritage Greek Heritage Spanish I don't know I don't know if that really helps it doesn't know I really doing president of a hangover no no no I was just like it was interesting because I was like is he like 100 does the thing is unlike most races really like a race like if you feel white history of you are white and so I don't think Hank Azaria be like I'm not white guy is like I just I know right I don't feel like that's a thing he would say what's funny is I told while we were watching this I pulled my Facebook and was like he's out literally come on everybody help me is there a character Hank Azaria has played in the film or television that is not a really poorly timed stereotype a lot of people like you know I can't thank you very much I think brockmeyer is a show that he's on this been in three season he was on the show that we all hate friends he was Phoebe's scientist boyfriend the Masterpiece the 1998 Godzilla the pure Masterpiece that that is audio I believe he does get to eat hen he was in a season of Ray Donovan as an FBI agent are you serious I've never watched that ever you never watch Ray Donovan audio no no no dialects none no no no no no no like the I guess I know you weren't brought up his because he said he based off his grandmother so it is possible that his grandmother was Spanish is what I was trying to get myself yeah we do audio audio my Netflix account from Anastasia had no idea apparently white character from White Patty are you sure I'm not sure someone on my Facebook who is very well informed you supposed to say I'm positive State of Mind on brand deposit okay I've only seen that movie once so Branch drawing audio it's not my fault I set up these amazing bits and you guys can't keep up okay well I guess you did set it up didn't you he did set it off it was my fault but I'm kind of like you were like I think for me Valles so shity and homophobic like internally homophobic and so many ways to play hyena micro aggression macro aggression that is agador cuz he's lovable and he's darling Oh my God B I do not wear shoes because they make me honey I tried to watch it with the lens of a shity and like 80 shity it's one of those moments that maybe it's because this is movies been in my lexicon for so long that I go if we read this movie I'd want us to do better but she's so lovable is so delightful and so sweet and they really abused the s*** out of him and then and I think it plays so well is because they didn't The Voice wasn't a joke he had so many other like character moments like the shoes and everything he did was in character and it wasn't problematic but like it was that was a choice he made but everything else was character it was great I mean I think the problem isn't like you said the problem isn't the voice the problem is just the he's a white guy playing a character but if you had cast you know someone who is supposed to be from that area yeah well no that's no you're totally Wright-Patt at this point I mean I don't know when that right so they probably didn't want Bono's 97 so you might have been filming it and when was Mario Brothers that was really sweet don't we done it you do bring up something interesting that like between To Wong Foo in this and even like Priscilla the people that did this movie like Gene Hackman agreeing to be in full drag audio or Stephen still that idea of showing three like Patrick Swayze and Wesley Snipes like is this thing to even today there are actors who do not want to play a game because they're worried it's going to ruin so much of their career or like their fanbase because they know they have a conservative or mostly like or or white male fan base because they are so huge issue throughout my audio I think she brought up before that like we're in 1996 or like this movies in pre-pro in like 94-95 in like the fact that they're willing as straight presenting actors to do this kind of thing is in itself a political statement audio yeah not to undo that positivity of that kind of thought conversation topics what does it what does it say anything does it say anything that these movies are all comedies I think it's are you bringing that up as a negative because actually not just in movie form but also would stand up for him usually is on The Cutting Edge of making a political statement the literal text and not the subtext is was it cool to be gay cuz it was fun audio goes to what Brett has said in the past which is like comedy kind of acts as a bridge between making it acts as a bridge between what makes people uncomfortable and then things becoming acceptable because one of the first stages in starting to accept something that makes people uncomfortable is to kind of laugh about it and make more light of it so I think in terms of like climate at the time of 1999 1996 is not is that hard to make the the conclusion that a lot of people are very uncomfortable gay people in the gay Lifestyle on the way to kind of help those people long and help them accept gay people was to make them laugh about it so they kind of learn to accept new people when it's in a comfortable format something that they can chocolate and then this is the dog trainer in me but I wouldn't be surprised if it helps kind of build this kind of a positive association with gay people like I laughed that was a Happy Feeling people that used to make me angry and scared before but I was laughing so the weird second layer of like and I'm comfortable with it because both Robin Williams and Nathan Lane or straight there's also the third layer but that all just movies typically even when they're funny they're dealing with some sort of well most stay made movies are either really terrible comedies or really devastatingly sad tragedies or everyone dies or gets the shipping out of so when we have straight people making or a queer adjacent people making films with gay characters I agree with you cuz there's a scratch on Waters quote of even racist enjoy Hairspray so there's this moment and this is why I like you'll see schools and doing hairspray is like a diversity quota thing where they're like oh look at us we're so good whatever I'm looking at University of Florida I'm looking at you you're you're very right where it's one of those things they understand about half the people that are probably going to see this movie because of Gene Hackman Dianne Wiest and Robin Williams are people who tangentially probably don't know any gay people they have conceived and who they were housekeeper like I read the first episode of Golden Girls there's a character called Coco and he's a housekeeper and Sophia literally just use the flag mr. Twinkle Toes mr. light in the loafers just because it was a thing that worked better but it's one of those things have you still got two gay archetypes and so this he's trying to flip all of those while still making them picture that was going to sell well audio it's interesting though because like this film I love this movie and like I do love the reversal as like Gene Hackman's character having addresses Dragon like literally walk in their shoes we don't really it just seems like oh this is just so if you were a racist you could just be like or or anti-gay you should be like well he just had to do that for that and the film doesn't really like tell you what the next steps are like they do get married but is he still the leader of the moral correlation like this he actually changes the character or was this just an inconvenience but literally same thought has enjoy the movie overall there a lot of fun in the end and Nathan Lane Robin Williams the end of Lake Powell but they kind of like stop short at the wedding is like they're enjoying the wedding but you could have easily done like or the credits like a press conference thing about the I can't think of another parallel for other than like children's fairy tales the moral of the story isn't telling children the thing is that they should do and at the time when this came out when it was in a being gay was still like stigmatized by most of the everyone in America like the fact that they went from like oh haha the the f****** shitbag Senator is has to do drag if it would have ended there then it's just like oh no they didn't get married though but they said no actually also there's a way for and they didn't spray didn't come out like would you if they had that scene in there where it was just like I'm reformed now I see that the gays are human like that would have felt panda and I think you have to look at it as like what is the movie about is the movie about the senator learning to change or is it about the gay couple learning to accept themselves and not make exceptions for people that are uncomfortable with who they are and I feel like they were trying to keep within that demand not really is how they chose to end it because they're at the wedding ask themselves yeah they're not hiding themselves for the sake of all these other people that are on y'all don't have to explain it to me I'm just saying if I was anti-gay I could walk her out away from the movie thank-you meth with you or just care about climax 02 you is easy to get swept up in dreaming of it and beautiful visual did you really break it down the climax of this movie is Our Heroes help the shitty person get away with being avoid by the way been the whole point should be who cares if he is at awesome I think would have been a perfect ending this movie they do the whole drag thing audio what is we got walking right after the Preston he's like this guy I'm here you know what I got something to say I had my daughter's marrying is lovely this delightful young man he's or his parents right here I don't have a problem with it and neither should you slight Twist on that I think that would be perfect ending but at the end of the wedding so they get married and then they walk out and he does a photo op with the whole family audio the other ending that Brett mentioned same scenario slightly different what day is showing people that want to get married one of the persons parents erase part of a racist group pick your poison they are a place operated by the people best dinner is racist again what they simply did was help him sneak away from press so they go well you say you don't like these people but you're at a thing by these people it's not a thing you should have I know it's like you're helping a shity person continuing to be shity enabling the what is the worst thing that the MacGuffin or the hurdle they had to get over in the climax is don't get caught by the Press I think I have so many complex thoughts about not that I don't but the real shity person though is Val and Val is the one that changes changes they don't have stories about I don't think the stories about Gene Hackman's character changing I don't think the story is about Robin Williams or Nathan Lane being comfortable with who they are cuz I think they're already comfortable with who they are he even says it took me 20 years to get here I think it's really about finally being positively audio embarrassed by his family and who they are audio I think they did a terrible job showing that character change yeah cuz it happened in like animals non-existent yeah right that's why I also don't think it would work for the senator to like in Drag and like in break cuz that would also be him like slipping on a dime which would be audio the summary of the rant I was almost about to do was is that the the way that the movie ended painted everyone but the senator at in the good light like it wasn't about his I feel like if it came out today it would have been yeah we'll throw the Senate under the bus and like you know Orgain at the sanitary like there is or are or they would have given you the other side what we really got was just kindness the protagonist of the film and like them recognizing that even though the situation was complete b******* but they were like not trying to f*** this guy and people that she is like they rise above and thoughts I think that's I also think timeline wise wearing a point where tolerance was the discussion that the key freezing be used with tolerance and so this is an example of tolerance because I know you can see them as people but if you don't have to interact interact with them on their level then you can see the missed people be as one of those things that's like always support the gays but we're quiet about it it's like now probably told none of his just a thing where I think this is oddly valstar agree with everyone that it's like the story but it's also a product of the work we were still trying to do in 1996 versus the work that we seen done and we're still trying to do now in 2020 and I think looking through it dialogue they were using to talk about the sex worker today. horrible teeth play differently. 1 Jewish joke like a really bad one came from the Jewish character who was just trying to Pander to the Republican you know I feel like those were more like character-based things and not necessarily like the filmmaker or screenwriter being shity you know what I mean like I think it's a whole point of there we were trying to say look we're just like you and that's the whole point and so there is actually this huge movement business owners they are queer nightlife thing but they are from what we can tell about them they are conservative there is liberal as they need to be to be queer but like this is the thing that actually exists within a lot of gay people are on the more conservative side because they think liberal being being gay makes them somehow liberal but like it doesn't understand what it's like to not be white not be privileged and so it's it's another one of those moments of they're really great people on the surface that we need them to be for this who would these two men be audio so you know it's one of those things the more we talk about it the more I start feeling these like onions and I don't know I don't want to think about this too much whatever. It's one of those things where we keep picking little things and getting uncomfortable cuz I still love this movie but it's interesting of this idea of when I see younger people coming out now and they're like what Cinema have I missed what must see movies and a lot of like other things that are very like heteronormative eccentric and they leave off things like tangerine and Moonlight and and you know what is a frog which is a BD Wong made film amazing it's so good and so it's one of those things right now I do as well as is this still something important the Canon that we need to be using to educate younger audio super rewatchable I think it's still super fun and I think it the movie that I would feel comfortable watching with my parents who are loving wonderful people but they are conservative movie I would feel comfortable watching with them that you deal with weird subject that's really cute that's a great start to the the Recaps go ahead Brett why don't you go now just doesn't help movie here's the thing is if you make a movie about something that's problematic is going to be problematic like don't worry about it the comedy was great in this I did not so are we got to the scene but I remember being the the Boneless Naruto run and it was not that just that dinner scene was so tense it had the vibe of that and that's how I remember it this is ridiculous this is insane in the silence and the tension the awkwardness of that dinner and that and like the kitchen scene where they both takes us if I can slam and drinks in the kitchen I am actually falls like when he falls like that wasn't scripted he has actually fell and they just like all in propped it ask for 10 minutes into the pot be crying too why didn't they just do Adele fire get takeout and make it look audio there's only one way in and out of that apartment so once they figured out it wasn't going to work they couldn't get food in unless it came up a fire escape lawyers this movie was great it was problematic but it was supposed to and is the the I didn't take away from it that we were supposed to have like in a stereotypical kind of way like even even Hank Azaria is like weird accent wasn't like we said it's it's not accent wasn't the character the character had his own moments and I'd watch that again for sure that was great audio I know I know he has the one line where he's like if you don't stop making up I'm going to kill myself and I like I don't think you made to I'm going to kill myself jokes in the movie audio all right Sam on that positive note do you want Pat to go next with his beard I'm happy to go yeah I really enjoyed this movie I in the beginning when they kind of set up the whole scenario I caught myself thinking like wow that sounds really problematic that doesn't hold up well like I'd love to see this movie remade today and a better contacts and then having finished the movie and having our conversation I actually think it's like beautifully perfect is is because it is like a little Time Capsule of all of the struggles of being gay in the United States at that time and the sort of ridiculous asks that people would make unfairly and unjustly and the sort of Hoops that you had to jump through just to make everyone around you comfortable I thought it was beautiful I really loved it the comedy was amazing the set design was amazing you will chuckle at this I thought the Birdcage what is a movie about kind of like Xanadu about them opening up The Birdcage like creating the nightclub so I was told like weird like The Birdcage isn't like the first scene it must be like it must be like fast-forwarding to the Future and then we see about how they got here like all the struggle opening up a drag bar in the United States struggles of opening a drag bar in Miami I really enjoyed it it's weird that we can have such like deep conversation about what is supposed to be just a comedy and I think that really speaks to the importance in the value of the story that they told and how it still has relevancy five years later just a comedy breaks my heart though, neither so much I know they are I don't want that statement to see him dismissive but it's okay it's like what we talked about before how the only way to kind of portray gay family was through a comedy to make people comfortable use that platform in that Medium to say something so important audio obviously not perfect shopping sequence at the restaurant with the two of them by John Wayne impressions another piece of toast whole thing so good audio how to how the Dolphins last night and he's like I don't know betrayed is that the wrong answer I don't know the acting and explain two ways in the suit he's walking in the bedroom and they're just staring at him without reacting it's like it's worse isn't it the pig socks now that's like a thing like I have lost do where people I know that's like yeah I wanted to mention it was super in for dudes now yeah that was supposed to be a joke or something but like I like there's nothing wrong with this audio audio I also think it has to do with the idea of respectability and respectability culture cancel like this is the point where like the Ralph Lauren suit off the rack with becoming super popular not getting things tailored and it's just that idea of like people always still feeling like we have to present a specific way in order to be seen as respectable and that's not the case and now it's like non-binary those things until I think it's it's any person or even like anybody that's like plus-size who's ever had to like go through something similar it's a situation we all understand that moment where it's like I should feel comfortable in wonderful I feel so alien and I feel like I'm standing out even though I'm supposed to be blind audio I think it's actually a really nuanced and wonderful study of chemistry also because of like respectability and being queer in film is this a rated R movie which I feel like now this would be like a PG PG-13 movie how many states it's so like prison but if you noticed like Robbie Williams is in they almost never physically again that's just the idea respectability performance study in chemistry it's so lovely it's so funny that we live in some moments a little too long for any other movie but mrs. just right and it's just it's just wonderful also I love the use of three Stephen Sondheim songs to which were written really nice, or just me it should stay in the Cayman forever I still enjoyed it and really loved it it kind of broke my heart to like see it through the lens of like suddenly realizing valza garbage human being however not to defend him but I do remember being 20 and being an a****** to my parents so you know I can kind of relate to that as a child especially being an only child being rather like self-absorbed and like why can't you do this for me you know kind of thing not that I'm defending his horribleness I'm just understanding where I'm coming from yeah I still loved it it's still a great movie I was still dancing at the end definitely awesome well that was Birdcage guys go watch it Maddie thanks for coming on would you like to tell the listener is where they can find absolutely so just like I am on the certainty of a media Network thanks to everybody for letting me put up on my b******* every every two weeks, or you can also find us on Facebook at dollop and dreams podcast you can find Instagram on Twitter at Del Webb podcast audio what's the date we will have to make it tonight so those are those are things I'll finest interact with us and yeah check out our store as well not for me to make money but I'm always using are proceeds to go towards a Charities to check out what our charity is for the month is this can the three of us in Ashburn me do not engage actively in the in the debate be like a Justice color color commentary in a judges panel audio thank you and if you also want to follow us you can follow us on Twitter we're 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