Sherlock (2009) with Stephen Clark

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This week, Iron Man and the Young Pope team up to fight Sinestro in Sherlock Holmes. We're joined by minty lad Stephen Clark @peppermintgent.

Starring Ash Blodgett, Bret Eagleston, Samantha Willson, and Patrick Edwards

Check out Stephen on Love of Pages podcast over at GeekEliteMedia.com

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Bret: Listen Pat the more muscle you gain the more frequently that people are going to ask you to flex when it when we're streaming.

Pat: I know I quit doing that to me.

Bret: Hello and welcome to another episode of Let's Rewatch the show where we watch movies that we loved in our youth and find out if they're still any good I'm Bret.

Sam: I'm Sam.

Ash: I'm Ash.

Bret: We made it.

Pat: That we did ooq Noah.

Pat: I'm okay with I'm actually you know what the fact that he introduced himself first and said his name I'm actually for it cuz sometimes over guessing just don't like talking in the comments like he didn't know who you are don't confuse our fans and our listeners like that's that's upsetting but you were like I'm Stephen just so you know this is a voice you're going to hear and it's even so I dig it.

Bret: Strong Steven Universe vibes.

Stephen: I just I saw the door open I just walked in you guys are recording a podcast is set.

Ash: Just yet you know what you brought the best energy for as any delivery guy could and we will take the food you're welcome to continue to join in on the podcast.

Stephen: Can I still get a tip though is that it's normal for delivery.

Ash: We'll see we'll see how your performances keep this energy up and like at like at least like 5.

Bret: If I at least 5.

Ash: Metaphorically or physically okay.

Stephen: You're going places kid.

Bret: Steve Horgan if I conceived Valdez.

Pat: Can I steal that when I start going places again cuz I have it you know when I start actually going places again I must can I start walking in the room like that too and just walk in throw my hands up like physically going places or even like.

Bret: Jesus.

Ash: Steve Holt Steve Holt is really loud.

Bret: Welcome to the podcast even why are you here.

Stephen: For this one I think I like I am the reason for the season for this movie here I'm actually part of a family of podcasters as well we're all associated with back and forth in this beautiful Empire passing the podcast a time with with giggly media is at the pages we do books and other things that happen to also be books and most recently this past month was the birth month I believe of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle suicided to celebrate and treat ourselves to 4 weeks of different Sherlock Holmes things so I reached out there's a movie for the Sherlock Holmes books today.

Pat: Link up link up.

Stephen: This started with a pizza guy walking into the room not knowing anyone in it.

Sam: Hook up listen podcast hooking up.

Bret: Good grief alright.

Ash: I'm extremely I'm extremely relieved to hear that it's that you've read the books or some of the books or some of the short stories because I was horrified that anyone would mentioned this form of Sherlock the experience but I'm glad that you will have a reference.

Pat: Ashes an elitist snob.

Sam: Counterpoint this was the first cool video movie version of Sherlock.

Ash: Yeah.

Stephen: Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd century 32nd century.

Sam: What no what.

Bret: What century was it that was good.

Bret: Yeah it's pretty cool.

Ash: Oh wow.

Bret: It was amazing.

Pat: I think I could be.

Sam: That does not sound cool it sounds cool and like a doctor who sort of way.

Pat: I mean.

Bret: Am I am I am I Imagining the memory of the theme song being like saying the lyrics of the title on beat like the Sherlock Holmes and that's why I need that got diary.

Stephen: Absolutely it does that it. That was all theme songs in Spider-Man Unlimited theme songs Just Spider-Man Unlimited million times and yelled it at you.

Sam: Yeah.

Sam: Yeah.

Ash: Is he solving Mysteries though.

Sam: Okay.

Pat: Isn't Doctor Who pretty much a Sci-Fi to like homes cuz like he's the doctor's going a mile a minute is way ahead of everyone else mentally in it has like all the time they are they are always telling the stories because.

Bret: Whenever they write themselves into a corner he just magically knows all the answers.

Sam: Yeah primofit he is solving Mysteries post Moffitt.

Bret: He's creating them.

Sam: Non sequiturs are confused for Mysteries so whatever.

Sam: No she's not a s*** on Moffitt podcast.

Stephen: All of this to say Steven I podcast with you delete media you should come check out my website see my work peppermint Channel mann. Com or my new website URL shift control z. Com.

Bret: Alright.

Sam: That's awesome.

Ash: Okay just a new reader.

Stephen: I promise it'll be something more substantial with the chest that you are a later.

Bret: Alright well 2009 Sherlock Holmes is there a reason that this is the movie in particular you brought to us.

Stephen: I didn't choose it that's on this.

Sam: Bread I believe you chose it.

Bret: No no.

Sam: If you did go back through a text message Jaden Ashley.

Ash: Okay okay oh my God no that's that's why we were like in the chat we're like What who chose this movie and why.

Sam: I believe it was Brett and then yeah sure like this movie's going to suck Ambrose like I remembered like the soundtrack.

Sam: Yeah.

Pat: I do.

Ash: Here's the thing I hate we're really.

Ash: Yeah what the f*** what the f*** b****.

Ash: Meds.

Sam: Mitch Fitness.

Bret: Listen Mitch's Mitch's bike Shadow directing our f****** show now this this text I got from him was just like you know we're doing we're doing Sherlock Holmes books almost a Sherlock came out in 2009 you guys should do it with Mitch get out of my head Mitch.

Pat: Get out of here bet you're not a corporate Overlord cases you don't tell us what to do case tells us what to do.

Ash: Only case has this power.

Bret: Eastside.

Sam: I'm really excited.

Sam: Yeah.

Sam: I mean I don't deny that but.

Stephen: At 1.

Sam: No he.

Bret: This is a hot take this is a hot take open.

Ash: Here's the thing is I'm totally jumping the gun cuz I know Brett has like all his hosting duties but like it's I remember liking this movie too but in the I had never read any Sherlock before and once I've now a big fan and I've read like almost all of the stories and everything and I've seen you know the newer better show and like this is the worst version of Sherlock out there like once you've been introduced into the media like he's not Sherlock at all.

Pat: Where's where's that basil the mouse Detective.

Sam: Oh.

Stephen: That's the best Disney movie of all time sir.

Sam: Yes.

Bret: Email.

Stephen: I have a stake in this.

Stephen: I think in a situation we've got the kind of thing where it's like no I grew up with Jon Stewart as my Green Lantern I grew up with this person is my Green Lantern and so it's like we all like Green Lantern just like fennel spice like we have different flavors for different people.

Bret: It's interesting that you mention Green Lantern cuz as a Segway I'm going to tell you that there was another famous Green Lantern and character in here the guy that played Sinestro in the Green Lantern movie is is in this movie Mark Strong.

Pat: Yeah.

Bret: I seen that one.

Bret: Keep.

Stephen: I know we're supposed to go into like trivia things later but Mark Strong is one of my favorite actor is because of how great he was a Septimus in the Neil Gaiman they just continuously put Batman in hair looks like it's okay.

Stephen: Bald are handsome.

Bret: He does a good job but he was also a doctor Savannah and Shazam got one and I didn't want to kingsman but he was in that is he bald in that too.

Pat: Is Merlin in that he's in the he is he's in the Cruella movie.

Pat: The new one.

Bret: Jean The Valley in the Dark Crystal the new with anyone the new Dark Crystal.

Pat: Quit Stardust the one words the Nero is the Airship pirate Captain who's his performance.

Ash: Wow.

Sam: Hahaha oh no.

Bret: Now we're good we're good we're good I'm going to fly through the casserole quick because there's just people in this movie and you'll recognize some of them I'll go from bottom up cuz do you know who's in the top of William hope who was in Aliens and basically is IMDb is a thousand credits for different iterations of Thomas the Tank Engine so if your kids if he's everything on Thomas voiced.

Sam: God don't.

Ash: Wow we said that the cast for that shows just two people Thomas and that's it.

Bret: Basically.

Ash: Ringo Starr really.

Pat: And Sammy vvvvv to it and Ringo yeah.

Ash: Wow.

Sam: And Ringo Starr yeah my nephew is obsessed with trains and I have to watch it when I go visit him.

Bret: He's a trained kid.

Sam: I hope we have a dinosaur kid there's two types of kids dinosaur kids and train kids.

Bret: I don't know if I can handle the train kid or kids absolutely.

Sam: Dino kids are far superior don't tell my sister she doesn't listen.

Ash: The struggles of Parenthood.

Stephen: Rachel McAdams.

Sam: Is it.

Ash: Really.

Sam: Let me see it.

Sam: Out here I'll tell read it for you.

Ash: Mariette.

Bret: We got we got Kelly Reilly who is Jordan in True Detective and the other lady in this film was also in True Detective and her name is not on here but maillet random vowels as not a main character that we got Eddie.

Ash: Keith Canadian so it's probably french it's probably french.

Ash: Oh.

Pat: Yes.

Bret: Eddie marsan Eddie marsan he's professor and Draco in Hobbs and Shaw is the Headmaster from Deadpool 2 if you remember those the one I remember the most iconic one Spyglass from Atomic blond.

Pat: Who's fun.

Ash: Oh yeah I love that movie until I'm going to say I thought it was.

Ash: Oh yeah.

Bret: That's such a good movie it's stupid but it's real fun we got there the Rachel McAdams you'll know her from Eurovision or game night or the Doctor Strange.

Sam: Or the notebook Jesus.

Pat: Mean Girls.

Sam: Oh yeah.

Ash: Yeah.

Bret: Listen if notebook is your Touchstone it best to so old now let's talk about things that happened in recent times.

Sam: No.

Stephen: Text Sherlock Holmes in 2009.

Pat: Wait no literally the point of the showbread it's a talk about something that's not recent.

Ash: Yeah I mean.

Bret: Well speaking of someone that's not recent.

Pat: Baby.

Bret: Musical that make you have a cat's button sticking his mouth.

Ash: Wasn't you have to get them use to bad germs you got a boost that immune system sooner rather than later.

Bret: SPI.

Stephen: That's true.

Sam: The cat is sitting on her Vicky yes I'm sorry desperate for it for my record it was wrapped in the blanket that the cat was laying on top of it did not touch the cat.

Sam: Yes.

Stephen: It's a bump key.

Bret: What's the name of my horrifying Binky product as it's about Binky yeah the butt monkey.

Ash: You skipped Mark Strong is he on your list.

Pat: We literally.

Ash: Oh did you okay sorry.

Bret: That we was open with him we had a whole like five minute conversation about Mark Strong.

Pat: We talked about Mark's John's like 5 minutes.

Ash: I wasn't listening to you duh.

Stephen: He's established handsome balls with hair whatever.

Bret: Two laws in this.

Stephen: Also handsome Baldur without hair.

Bret: You'll know him as yon rogg from Captain Marvel or the new Dumbledore the young Dumbledore and also the young Pope.

Ash: Oh that's right.

Pat: Yum yum.

Bret: I don't like that that has a sound to it a sexual sound that I don't enjoy.

Sam: No no.

Stephen: I just I didn't think that I thought it's like an alternate Rumpelstiltskin.

Bret: I just yelled or sounds like a like a like a double-double daddy kind of a thing.

Ash: I mean Dumbledore is a very sexual being I think Daddy.

Pat: Yeah I mean I'm definitely going to make a character in D&D call you Uncle door.

Pat: I'm ready to get that but I'm ready.

Stephen: He's riding his riding Keith.

Bret: And of course Robert Downey jr. You know is Ironman and who cares what else he was in an Ironman for like the majority of his entire life now so there we go.

Pat: Green doctor Dolittle's in this.

Sam: I will said oh yeah I forgot he was Doctor Strange but that's the other Sherlock.

Stephen: Cicero.

Bret: Go to Sherlock's.

Pat: Is Benedict Cumberbatch ever played in the show.

Bret: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Stephen: I was going to let that one go.

Pat: I forgot that show existed I saw like two episodes.

Ash: What do you mean has he ever played yes it's the best version of Sherlock ohmygod How Could You Forget but exist it's the.

Pat: I said like two episodes of it should I go back and watch it.

Stephen: It's a good one.

Sam: Yes at least the first season.

Pat: Okay.

Pat: Okay.

Ash: Are you f****** serious it's so good it's one of the best shows on TV ever.

Sam: Which I believe it's 10 years old as well.

Ash: Wow.

Bret: Okay but see here's the thing is they had was a preseason.

Sam: 2.

Stephen: Series.

Sam: 223.

Bret: Series.

Pat: As they say across the pond.

Ash: 3 yes.

Ash: No. 3.

Bret: At 2 okay I feel like one of them was really good and one of them right.

Sam: The first season was phenomenal.

Bret: There's like two good ones and one that I was like.

Sam: The last season Tennessee.

Ash: Oh there's been four.

Bret: Goodness.

Stephen: That they were live like the last one nobody came out it was like removed 5 years or something like that from the previous ones they're all good it's just very in degrees of how much how many shifts you can give with that much time.

Stephen: Between them.

Ash: In between I think also I mean this is why this is why I'm going to get into the hole like the reason why I say this is the movie we are watching is the worst version of Sherlock is because if you have bread Sherlock that TV show is written for you like there's so many small little details and nods that you'd only know if you've read the books and I think you know.

Bret: You might feel differently about this movie after the after after watching it today because like 900f the trivia about this is how many things they pulled from the books and put into this movie.

Stephen: They said that same kind of stuff they said that with the Power Rangers movie they were like we did so many knobs to the characters and that movie is just a steaming pile terrible.

Ash: Well that's the thing is like there's there's a difference between like nods and like really well integrated little Easter eggs you don't Irene's like Anyway by me my my fundamental problem with this movie is that Sherlock Holmes is not an extrovert he's not he's an introvert he's never been an extrovert in this is the only movie where he's portrayed as an extrovert and it's wrong.

Ash: It's so wrong.

Bret: I would say that there's no no no character more extra than Sherlock Holmes he walks around just like up in people's faces telling them that they don't know if I can anything he goes like wanted what do you think happened he's let me tell you what actually happened like.

Bret: I read the books to.

Ash: I think your memory of that is solely from this movie because that's not that's not how he is in the books at all okay.

Bret: He does tell Watson he's wrong a lot though.

Ash: Yeah but you can.

Sam: I think we should go into this expecting this movie to be a literal interpretation of the books but a essence of Sherlock with an insanely heavy dose of 2009.

Stephen: Yeah.

Ash: Yes yeah.

Sam: Oh.

Bret: And and I think the biggest signifier that something is afoot is the fat V is a Guy Ritchie interpretation of Sherlock.

Sam: That explains a lot.

Stephen: The mean things that I don't want to push ahead on with the order things is here but I remember one thing we'll two things from this movie from back in the day one the color grade to the slow-motion that's it.

Stephen: Something with strings.

Ash: Oh the harpsichord harpsichord.

Bret: Somewhat strange but like they're playing it with like a mallet or something.

Sam: Whatever that's that weird British old-timey instrument is Plucky and I said a harpsichord I don't think it's a harpsichord it's different.

Stephen: What's its 20 is 20.

Sam: Yeah.

Ash: Oh.

Ash: Do you have trivia.

Sam: That explains it.

Pat: Open.

Bret: Anyway yeah that was it that's all people I mean music by Hans Zimmer so probably is why Everyone likes it. Trivia but we usually do with Waze.

Sam: Conley.

Pat: Acetal hansie.

Bret: Ohana.

Stephen: I guess friends calling.

Bret: We usually do at before the Big Book of the trivia we play the money game.

Bret: Where we're going to try and guess what the budget of this film was.

Sam: Who it was big.

Sam: Because this is post Iron Man.

Pat: Yes it's a year after Iron Man which is always.

Bret: And then what it made worldwide will do budget first.

Stephen: I don't think it would have.

Ash: So it's after Ironman wow.

Pat: Yeah.

Stephen: They were so far separated that the budget the box office for Iron Man wouldn't have influence the ongoing production of Sherlock.

Pat: When Ironman was Oe.

Ash: It have influenced the amount that are you know Robert Downey jr. Is paid that's where I feel like it would influence.

Bret: I'll give you a couple of trivias.

Stephen: You like it there would have been closed what years were the two know you don't know know know that's information that we don't deserve you.

Pat: Iron Man 1 was always Iron Man 2 was 2010 this came out in between the.

Stephen: Yeah I don't think it would have been shooting and then the money from Ironman would influence Sherlock.

Stephen: That close.

Bret: So here's I want to give you guys this piece of trivia do because it will affect this particular strain of thought this is the IMDB cannot be trusted but two pieces trivia number one was the screenplay for this film was apparently in the 2008 Blacklist via the list of screenplays that people like the most but didn't get made and yet also boxofficemojo list that the earliest release date for this film is not in December where it was released in the US in the UK but in January of the same year 2009 in Romania.

Pat: Who's this.

Sam: What clearly that's a typo.

Stephen: It was it was in the wild for 11 months.

Sam: No.

Bret: You know what.

Sam: No that is a typo on the year they put they said this released in this year and then it rolled over and they didn't get the dub into Romanian till the next year.

Bret: You know I think you're right about that.

Pat: Okay.

Sam: Of course I'm right about that.

Ash: It makes more sense.

Pat: 8092 sliders time okay.

Pat: Cuz I like summer.

Ash: Well and I still think like if he signed a contract you know to play Ironman and then I was offered a contract for this like that's still in negotiation chip for raising your rate you know what I mean like I still think it would affect how much money he could negotiate for to do the film.

Stephen: Little bit more so much off a scanner darkly or whatever before Sherlock like a Hi-Point already.

Pat: I don't know but I'm just thinking that was silly of his his fee might not have been super inflated yet today ridiculous some that it was very quickly get to but just how much money maybe they'd be willing to put into the movie overall he's marketable again okay so.

Ash: Right exactly yeah.

Pat: Maybe we should really get behind this I'll just go ahead I'm going to say 80 million dollars.

Ash: Now do it do it.

Stephen: I don't want to undercut y'all can see 79 cuz I feel like it's always a 9 or like at 8 or 9.

Ash: Sam.

Sam: 60 I just because 69.

Bret: Nice.

Sam: Ice.

Pat: Nice.

Ash: Hahaha.

Stephen: It's like a hundred isn't it.

Bret: Well that would make Pat the closest budget for this film was I-90.

Sam: Gypsy.

Stephen: Okay.

Ash: Wow.

Pat: Yeah and all of your Collective faces.

Bret: How much do we think it pulled in worldwide.

Sam: 200 Mill.

Ash: Opening weekend.

Sam: No worldwide.

Bret: Not we'll just worldwide.

Sam: 250.

Pat: Worldwide 303.

Stephen: Unemployed.

Pat: You can take three I'll change.

Ash: Where do I total s*** I was going to say that I'll take her 200 then she's going to take 250 and I'm taking 200.

Stephen: 350 cuz it got us a sequel pretty quick.

Bret: So when you look back Marvel tied down I think they had the we're locking you in at the low rate for the entirety of your contract thing pop up as early as the first Thor movie and I'm pretty sure it's because Robert Downey jr. Negotiated the f*** out of his contract for the next Iron Man film because this movie made 524 million dollars.

Ash: Oh holy s*** wow that is I feel like that's.

Stephen: I remember it being popular.

Sam: Yeah it was.

Sam: Yeah.

Ash: That's like one of the highest grossing movies I feel like we've had enough budget game that's pretty high.

Bret: I mean that's like that's Marvel money without Marvel like that's the big money.

Ash: Well well done well done.

Ash: It was.

Sam: But it was popular and it had a good trailer I remember like watching it and being excited about the release.

Sam: Okay alright alright that's a good distinction to make because your statement is very negative.

Ash: Again I'm not saying it's a bad movie just saying it's the worst version of Sherlock that's all I'm saying I'm just a Sherlock snob you do I know.

Pat: I get what you're saying so you're saying like the fact that if it had just been like an original character that was a victorian-era British detective and they had this little steampunk element and they did all the other stuff you'd like is it a really fun movie but the fact that it's Sherlock who is a very well-defined character with plenty of established like lure of how they act in the way they are saying this is very untrue to what the character Sherlock Holmes is.

Ash: Yeah yeah totally.

Bret: And I want I want to get into that in-depth discussion of what is unsure lock about this Sherlock on the second half after we watch it cuz cuz other things that I initially was thinking like yeah I remember the things that Ash is probably mad about about this a lot of them wearing the trivias like that's straight from the Bucks and I'm curious.

Sam: You just.

Ash: I actually don't remember any moment specifically I just Robert Downey jr. As casted as Sherlock while it makes sense from a money-making standpoint it.

Bret: Is he just too sexy for Sherlock.

Ash: Yes he is exactly that's the boy.

Stephen: So I can be sexy I was just talking to my friends about this there's like sexy like you put them on a magazine and there's like weird sexy like that friend we all have.

Stephen: I think you can do that.

Ash: Yes we won't say which one is the one in this group.

Sam: Oh God if you don't know who that I'm just saying if you don't know who that friend is that mean it's you like sounds like s*** who is my friend of ours I don't know.

Ash: Probably no no no.

Ash: That's so funny.

Bret: Nols Pat can rest easy knowing it's not him because this whole life is a thirst trap.

Sam: TRUE.

Pat: Thank you it's so sweet my gosh I didn't get you anything.

Ash: I really appreciate that you let the guns out today I'm enjoying it.

Bret: Yeah you got us all a wonderful gift today Pat.

Ash: I mean they're bigger than your head.

Bret: I feel like I'm watching you like Britney Spears at the VMAs here dude.

Pat: I can see what my likes give me to wear like a belly shirt to my stomach like a crop top.

Stephen: Don't say no to that.

Ash: Yes can we give you an umbrella and you can beat a vehicle with it.

Stephen: Do cats have a patreon is that should that be a tear is that what's happening.

Bret: It's yeah it exists.

Pat: It's in the works actually it'll be out by the time this episode comes out so yeah.

Stephen: Pizzapatron. Com.

Ash: Yeah apat calendar a sexy Pat calendar yes.

Bret: Flashlight Citywide.

Pat: That's a different that's a different website that's called onlyfans.

Sam: Oh.

Bret: Now we got it we got to do this to the VA let's watch sexy calendar for sure alright trivia.

Bret: Shutdown.

Ash: A different like different movies we could pose for is so great like you recreate the poster oh my God I love it though.

Bret: Zip it up.

Sam: We've already done that with Juno.

Pat: Predictions okay I'm going to go because.

Pat: Oh okay.

Sam: What the f*** is spit it out Jesus Brett.

Pat: Yeah.

Bret: Pack it away keep it in the pants trivia motherfuker.

Ash: Literally everyone shut up for like 5 minutes before you have Towing.

Bret: I have five trip for trivias for trivias number one number one pretty much all of the main characters did their own stunts in this so that's going to be fun to watch.

Ash: Wow that's amazing and scary.

Ash: I don't know how to feel about that sometimes cuz it's like you know some people are specifically trained for it.

Bret: Yeah.

Stephen: People doing their own Stones how I kind of feel about like top-tier actors doing voice acting all the time it's okay to let someone else have a job guys it's cool.

Bret: Absolutely.

Ash: Yeah there you go that's a good way to ya.

Bret: But speaking of trink for it apparently Robert Downey jr. Actually it no some martial arts I guess in the books Holmes knows some kind of says buried Sue I don't recall.

Stephen: SSI job at Starbucks.

Ash: Wing Chun.

Bret: But Robert Downey jr. Actually knows the same kind of martial arts that Hitman knows and so they designed and so he does that in real life and so they planned via is fight scenes around getting to use his actual martial arts skills.

Ash: Oh.

Stephen: That makes sense I remember she was slappy in in the movie like like he like Bop people.

Bret: Oh my gosh yeah flashbacks right now.

Pat: Yeah isn't it a lot of like he loved your it's like he loved your hand stuff like that instead of your knuckles.

Ash: Oh my God I forgot that he does martial arts cat.

Bret: Okay okay that's the one that's the one.

Stephen: Short short brags about knowing he brags about martial arts.

Bret: Yeah.

Ash: But you never see him actually like he never actually gets in a fight with anyone though.

Bret: Fiat.

Stephen: And I don't remember him fighting anybody directly.

Ash: Yeah no I think it's I don't think it's true.

Bret: Oh I was going to I was going to bring it up in the second half but this is BS in one of the books one of the conversations he has is I didn't write down the name of the character but stock with the dude and the other guy doesn't remember him is like you don't remember me that the guy that went three rounds with you is that night a couple years ago until that supposed to be like that the opening fight depicted in this.

Ash: Oh that's right cuz he's a boxer yeah he is supposed to be a boxer.

Stephen: Did that scene now in a movie be like oh you don't ever me how about you remember these hands.

Ash: Whoever these guns.

Sam: That was very Andy Samberg of you.

Stephen: At 2.

Bret: I'm out of order on My Trivia here here's the one that's going to that's ashes going to be like shake a fist Guy Ritchie was like I'm not going to put any of that Sherlock crap in there and so they didn't do the Elementary my dear Watson or any of the other things that he says frequently in the book they cut it all out of the script once they got Guy Ritchie.

Sam: You know I think that was the right choice for this interpretation will see.

Stephen: I take no issue with it.

Ash: I don't feel like he says it that much in the books like I feel like that's like something he says like once or twice and then every 40v made movie was like we're going to have him say it all the time you know what I mean and it became this like stereotype of Sherlock Holmes.

Stephen: I died.

Bret: They stole that from up Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd century that's where it became popular.

Bret: Pretty sure every episode.

Bret: The slo-mo and the body shots and especially one of the fight scenes later in the film almost almost none of it is special effects it's just in camera like real hits.

Bret: So I something about.

Bret: I don't have.

Bret: Oh really.

Pat: Ogre.

Stephen: The second one I think Gavin Free worked on the sequel from The Slow Mo Guys and RoosterTeeth and everything.

Ash: So interesting that's cool yeah I'm curious what camera they shot on.

Bret: Abba theater trivia fact I have is look look out for the guy that gets punched in the jaw and it's that's a real one.

Ash: No pouch they showed on.

Stephen: It's Robert.

Ash: You know right for the slow mo thing like that.

Bret: But yeah I'm excited to watch it that's that's it trivia over who wants to talk about okay.

Pat: I'll do production I'll go cuz real simple I said I don't remember I remember having a positive feeling after this movie and but today littler numbers is the fight and it's like small boat and he's like whisper talking in his brain like what his moves are like Texas like take out knee and like that he doesn't.

Ash: Boy.

Stephen: Ethan remarkably like brat right now.

Ash: He plays the straight man.

Ash: In the comedy duo.

Pat: And that's literally all I remember that and then like Jude Law play the very like exasperated home Watson who's like just like can you just be normal and trying to be respectable and that's like it and yeah I do remember anything about the plow.

Ash: Yeah I don't remember anything Judo Brett if this is like is this like a plot from one of the books do you know.

Stephen: Question.

Ash: Oh okay.

Bret: Hey that didn't come up in my search but what did the it's Story by several people that and they don't list Arthur Conan Doyle so you know.

Stephen: With that in mind it might have been an intentional thing to make Sherlock so different.

Sam: I think it was.

Ash: Yeah.

Pat: I totally see that though like I mean that's kind of a thing cuz he did that same thing with like this King Arthur movie where you like completely redid the story and kind of completely different take on it so.

Pat: Yeah.

Ash: Yeah.

Stephen: Even for when they adapted table and everything with it right now.

Ash: Hahaha oh boy.

Ash: Yeah.

Bret: That's too much I'm kind of on the same page with Pat on this one I remember the fights I think like my brain is telling me stuff that I remember that I'm pretty sure was from the second movie I don't think I remember much about this one except except the yet the very very anime calling out your fight moves before doing them thing and like I'm really looking forward to that you guys might be like that's the best the trash I want to see it I want to see more fights I think I recall at the time being annoyed that so much of it was in slow-mo because I'm still annoyed with most things that are in slow-mo because nowadays it's like the whole fight is in slow motion at the time when they do something too fast and it was like really cool.

Ash: Yeah.

Ash: Bright.

Stephen: I like when things are slow if it's something where it's a slow sustained cut versus like 42 different cuts for like four hits.

Ash: It's like a common Hollywood editing trick right and most like American action movies everyone cuts on the punches and so you it's actually you never really see the punch cuz they cut on them versus like in kung fu movies that are made in China they show you like wide so that you could see the punches and they they don't cut and it's like a difference in style and I prefer seeing the action I think there's like.

Bret: In the title Ash.

Stephen: Fast and Furious.

Ash: It's true there's no slow mo in this movie.

Pat: You thought it was about those referencing the car is no it was referencing the editing.

Ash: Samia.

Ash: I'll go next I okay so I've been very hard on this movie but I will say I do remember liking this movie I do remember really liking Jude Law as Watson and I liked I did like their Dynamic together I'm not so sure that some of that stuff like the slo-mo stuff is going to hold up I don't know I'm a little worried that stuff in this movie is not going to hold up I think cuz this is like the time. You know where movies were coming out like this and we all loved it but will we loved it now I don't know you know what I mean like the was that one movie.

Pat: Literally.

Bret: We should do a podcast about that.

Pat: Van Helsing.

Ash: About that Dracula hunting guy Ashley can't remember his name oh man it reminds me of that movie Van Helsing.

Bret: Car car happy hour.

Ash: Yes.

Pat: Same like color scheme right.

Ash: Van Helsing.

Stephen: This movie is very much in the same visual it in the same visual realm as League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Van Helsing all of those the same color gray.

Sam: Yes.

Sam: One of us one of us.

Ash: Yes and I also like style where it's like way over-the-top like taking this like classic story and going like way over-the-top with it and I feel like this movie might be way over-the-top sometimes in a way that like we won't like nowadays kind of thing but I actually staying this is so contradictory to my Negative Nancy bulshit that I've brought to the podcast so far but I actually think I'll probably watch this movie and enjoy myself but I'm still.

Ash: Yeah.

Stephen: Isn't it from 2009 album looking out for any kind of like questionable things that are in there cuz that's still just on the cusp of when it would have been like maybe we don't have the white guy PlayStation guy kind of thing so we'll see how that goes for the movie goes I expect to have a good time I think I'll come out the other end of it kind of just remembering the plot things just like 10 seconds before they happen maybe I'll have a good time hopefully hbomax continues to work.

Bret: You're going to you're going to precog your way through this movie.

Stephen: I believe in me.

Ash: Yeah exactly.

Sam: I think it's going to be fun I think it's going to feel very of the time I think I remember it being like a modern take on Sherlock Holmes which means a re-watch now will feel like a dated take on Sherlock Holmes but I I think it will still be fun and I think it will be the date and stuff will be stuff that we can laugh at and I'm looking forward to that soundtrack.

Bret: Yeah soundtrack.

Stephen: You said you said it was Hans Zimmer soundtrack.

Sam: Yeah that's a good point.

Ash: A funky beat.

Pat: Monkey hands.

Ash: DJ Hans.

Sam: Did you.

Bret: Alright well let's pause the recording good God.

Sam: Did you go brat.

Bret: I win.

Pat: He did.

Sam: Okay.

Ash: Cute yeah he went second.

Bret: Let's pause the recording and watch 2009 Sherlock and we'll see if any of us are alive.

Ash: Are locked.

Stephen: Let's pause and let's re-watch.

Ash: We do he's just not.

Bret: We don't do catchphrase we had we intentionally remove the catchy phrases.

Pat: Where do catch phrases.

Pat: We have.

Stephen: What do you put on the shirt when you sell it or on the patreon stickers that you send out monthly to people.

Pat: I have a catchphrase.

Ash: We don't sell many shirts.

Sam: A big ass spider.

Bret: There's the shirts case makes our shirts and they're all random bulshit from the show ya Pat's is that positive.

Pat: The net positive this movie's going to be in that positive by the way I just heard that.

Pat: Women as prize.

Sam: Yep.

Bret: It's funnier when you explain it when is prize.

Ash: Steven welcome to the podcast where we put minimum effort into everything waiting.

Pat: And coming soon and wait.

Sam: Yeah Brett puts maximum effort.

Stephen: I was surprised when he said earlier that he edits and we don't do that ideally media it's in the can when we record it.

Pat: Which as of our last episode was released and now we're recording this by the time this episode comes out I'm pretty sure you could probably go on the store and buy the flaw was with Brett cuz case that is making it.

Bret: Oh God really.

Pat: Yes.

Sam: Excellent.

Bret: I would love to see somebody wearing after the flies with Bratz shirt.

Pat: If you don't think I'm going to be wearing at the next time we're in a room together you are sorely mistaken my friends.

Bret: Lamorelle sad that somebody else Pee Wee went there shopping yesterday and someone had just the best shirt and it had a picture of one of the bridges downtown and a guy just holding a fish and it underneath it just said Portland f****** or again and I think I really want that shirt.

Sam: It was the best shirt.

Ash: That's amazing.

Bret: Anyway alright.

Ash: The best thrift shop shirt I ever found was a shirt that says boy bands ruined my life in like horror text and I don't know I don't know the contacts but I love it.

Bret: It seems likely.

Sam: Excellent.

Stephen: I'm okay with this.

Bret: Buckeye Court.

Stephen: Brain coral is a sub-genre of heavy music around 2007-2010.

Bret: I miss that one.

Bret: Did I actually get through it did you guys did you f****** inconsiderate bastards just stomped all over my little outro.

Pat: I think we just yeah we did.

Bret: Good it's over.

Bret: Bad Piano Thing.

Ash: DDD dudududududu it was an Irish jig out of my own heart.

Pat: That was supposed to be an Irish jig im fucking offended.

Ash: Why I'm Irish.

Pat: That doesn't matter you still expensive.

Pat: That's true.

Bret: If it's possible to be both Irish and bad at Irish jigs.

Stephen: I've let down my people a million times over it's entirely possible.

Bret: Pat's just like I'm struggling over there what do you thinking about Pat.

Pat: I'm just trying to see if I wanted to do this or we're kind of into it now though so I feel like we should just go.

Bret: We're into it I made a weird sound Ash made a weird sound it's awkward for everyone let's just keep going.

Ash: No.

Sam: I really wanted to hear Pat's Bossa Nova remix.

Stephen: Hafa program.

Ash: Yeah.

Ash: Hahaha.

Ash: Holy s*** that is terrifying.

Pat: Creepy horror-movie child oh okay I'll do a little course here is like 12345 hunt the Heron turn it down the rocky road all the way to the Forum.

Sam: This is what you hear before you die.

Ash: Nice.

Bret: There's like a little kid like skipping.

Ash: This is like.

Sam: God fat.

Stephen: God.

Ash: This is the trailer for hostel Dublin Edition.

Bret: Good grief.

Ash: No.

Stephen: I spent this entire time watching the movie thinking about two things one should I be running down my thoughts so I did a little bit and then to I spent the entire time mulling over upon that I should have made earlier on you said the game is afoot and I was like No it should be a yard because British but they use feet also so it doesn't make sense and I've been thinking about that for 2 hours and 8 minutes.

Bret: When they don't use their not metric.

Pat: No.

Ash: You know what I.

Stephen: Do you feed also apparently feet beneath a space give shape to yards.

Bret: That's bizarre.

Ash: Well she is like it's so sweet for anything less than a yard is that how it works.

Stephen: That's the best answer that my terrible Googling gave me anyone who's going to correct me on the internet I know I'm probably already wrong.

Bret: Oh goodness.

Ash: All your feet bring the boys to the yard.

Pat: Brett is just on going Frets on a crusade to alienate every European nation one-by-one.

Ash: Can I come up.

Bret: No it's cool there like our third biggest audience I think they love the the the jobs in the casino.

Sam: Oh dear.

Bret: I mean is the British if we die at 2 also I mean not to throw Steven under the bus but like yards are our thing to.

Ash: I mean it is very British humor view to like be making faces it's so British of them to love the fact that you're making fun of them that's just I hate the fact that you can do anything you can be an a****** and people love you.

Stephen: Don't forgive us.

Ash: #hashtag I'm bringing my yards back.

Pat: What.

Bret: We're talking about anymore.

Bret: Anyting Ash.

Pat: Yes I asked go-ahead yes please.

Bret: I'm sorry what.

Sam: This is magical.

Ash: I'm taking for yards back I don't know you can I tell you guys something something about this movie okay just brace your f****** self because I think I think you're just going to make fun of me for the next hour and I'm sorry see you but I think I've confused this movie in my head before was Shanghai Knights of terrible you know what I mean.

Pat: What.

Sam: Okay okay k.

Ash: You know what I mean.

Bret: I mean I'm.

Stephen: Some person who's listening to this right now cuz also like excuse you that's the greatest movie of all time look at my Shanghai Knights back piece.

Sam: I do love that movie it is so bad though.

Pat: Watching the whole movie and being like when when does Sherlock.

Ash: Right before.

Ash: No like I knew it wasn't Shanghai Knights.

Bret: I hear I hear the literal words that you're saying and I'm like understanding them but also what.

Sam: Cute you to know that they're separated by like.

Pat: How such there's sodas that have such distinctive.

Ash: They're just they're both action movies and they both take place in London and I don't have a good memory of either of them I don't remember what happens in either of them but I remember Shanghai Knights being terrible.

Pat: There's such distinctive leave though like so distinctive.

Ash: Yeah I'm not talking about the I literally no.

Ash: I literally no.

Bret: Am I am I the one that's supposed to be insulting to the British that any action movie that take place in England is just idiot if they're all the same.

Stephen: Okay.

Stephen: The colonel the colonel of this is.

Ash: That's what I'm saying I know it's not the same movie.

Stephen: You do think of this is a better movie than Shanghai Knights.

Ash: Yes.

Sam: Thank goodness but okay question.

Stephen: We did it guys mission accomplished.

Pat: The way you said it it sounded like you were you were basing all of your like first-half thoughts on you were scenes in the plot of shaking it like you're like oh this movie they do that stupid thing.

Ash: No no.

Sam: It's not based off of the books at all.

Stephen: There was one line in there that I thought was particularly.

Ash: No I said I don't remember I don't remember anything about either movie.

Sam: His decision.

Ash: I'm just saying the vibe you don't like the vibe of movie gives off.

Sam: Yes does this mean that you thought the vibe of Shanghai Knights was this movie.

Ash: No no.

Ash: Yes.

Bret: Okay no she like Shanghai Knights is firmly in its in a low-tier and then she thought that that was also a label she could apply to this film.

Stephen: But she but she loved it.

Sam: Yes okay not that they were flip floppers verse.

Ash: Yes yes.

Sam: Siri not to.

Stephen: Come down this one is that Ash now thinks this is a 10 out of 10 is what I meant hearing and understanding.

Sam: Yeah if you set the bar at Shanghai low like.

Ash: Hey I enjoyed it I thought it was really going to sell and I think all of breath points of him actually being Sherlock ER yeah well that's why I was like I don't want to watch this terrible movie why are you making me watch this terrible movie.

Stephen: Yep that's what I was looking for 2.

Stephen: Van Helsing.

Ash: Oh man that's why in the beginning remember I was like oh you know it's like these other movies I've already forgotten the name of the second vampire one God damn it again.

Bret: Is Vance okay well now.

Ash: Like that I was like it's in the category of those fills but it's not.

Bret: Is Van Helsing a Shanghai Knights is that what you're saying.

Ash: No I'm saying it's not.

Sam: Yeah agreed.

Pat: No-Man how things more like this movie Sherlock the more supposed to be talking about the one starring Jack hughman.

Bret: I need to see.

Ash: Okay.

Bret: I need I need to see ashes ranking list here.

Sam: Yes.

Bret: Yeah yeah.

Pat: Oh really.

Ash: Yes.

Stephen: I was just talking to someone about this earlier today is no garlic bad for dogs that's specific for dogs but then when people talk about vampires it's always my call yeah garlic that's well get them to go away what if back in time vampires and werewolves were completed you know and so like they're actually one in the same thing and a guy who sells jewelry and had a surplus of silver was like oh no yeah no vampires they they don't like garlic however silver bullets.

Bret: Oh boy that's gold or silver.

Pat: It was a conspiracy by the silver in the garlic lobbyists lobbies.

Ash: Yeah.

Stephen: It's exactly like the hemp and weed situation for paper back in the day.

Bret: I love this that's going to be the clip for the episode and make sure we tagged Bree the vampire expert.

Stephen: Some people buy the Clippers from is about werewolves or vampires what is the Sherlock movie.

Bret: You evolve Gastly never see my advertising for the show.

Ash: Haha.

Stephen: Yeah.

Pat: Was work Strong's was Lord Blackwood which by the way it's like man yeah obviously the villain like right it's like walking around with Alice name it's like okay you know Dylan for days.

Pat: What's his plan.

Pat: The right the inappropriate level of complicated or needless level of complicated cuz.

Stephen: I think it's the second one.

Bret: Well I think we need to address the elephant in the room here and say that Lord Blackwood stole a lot from qanon.

Stephen: They think that the storm is coming at the end of the movie I heard that fart.

Ash: Yeah they did they did a man.

Pat: I mean.

Ash: When was this movie made.

Bret: Listen it's exactly the same situation it's 100 0ke this was a documentary guys.

Bret: Yeah I can convince a bunch of idiots that you're like magic and and that there's some sort of like an ultimate master plan and then attack congress's f****** 2021 then 2009.

Pat: I wonder if you knew he wasn't do you think the other young Lord who is one of his like he believed he was mad.

Stephen: I don't know.

Pat: Jubilee do is Magic the whole order the rest of the order.

Stephen: The people that he killed believed it real hard.

Pat: Cuz I love you.

Ash: Yeah yeah.

Pat: It's just okay but his plan so I get the end goal the angle is what he wants power right he wants to rule he wants to turn the British Empire into a true Empire get rid of any semblance of democracy and it's like I'm King now and then we take over America also I guess cuz it is during the Civil War or Civil War so okay cool if he's got all these resources I feel like he could have plotted to like just destroy the House of Lords and have his people it didn't necessarily required the whole thinking his death thing in a cult and Resurrection like British guys were going to do this coup like it didn't have to church it up like that that was a lot of work.

Ash: Yeah yeah cuz he clearly got caught on purpose right.

Ash: Yeah.

Stephen: No.

Pat: Yeah oh okay so help me with that in the very beginning the opening scene that young lady who is this supposed victim is she did I miss that part of the explanations is she in on it and because it looked like she was so how was she about to stab herself then what did he is happy like really really high.

Stephen: He he he did weird magic brainwash it to her and like that was the whole reason that Sherlock I brought in she is purely a device.

Bret: But Pat.

Ash: Yeah.

Pat: Will the whole point is that there's no real Matt in the magic is not real and there's a scientific explanation for everything so what why was she about to stab herself.

Stephen: Ayahuasca.

Bret: But Pat drugs are real.

Pat: That something are we going with like brain drugs we're going to brainwash drugs type thing.

Bret: I mean about I don't even know if they needed a watch that was just like just drugs like do you know tell someone get someone high enough tell him that yourself that's like go get a gold Edge or some s***.

Ash: You're breaking up a bunch.

Stephen: Maybe maybe it wasn't even that kind of thing she displayed a good album for the lady you know we're like talk to her through some stuff she felt some things at the crescendo of the music and you know what people like putting your hand after.

Ash: Nevermind not like I say the joke I was going to say.

Pat: That's okay but what did I didn't miss it was not explained there was it explained that her.

Pat: Cuz.

Stephen: Supposed to.

Ash: I don't think it was explain now I think you're supposed to forget about that but she was wearing sexy clothes.

Ash: And then she sneaks them out or whatever or like sneak some.

Pat: I could totally Iowa's would like it if she actually was an accomplice and would like we're going to Stage this thing and they're going to arrest me and it couldn't go excuse me and then visit and then she yeah whatever it is but the hope is to instill fear in some people and and respecting others right.

Stephen: The second one we've all only watch the first one they're only re-watched the first one maybe she plays a big part in the second one probably not but.

Pat: The name of the young lady from the opening scene freeway.

Pat: Wait a second.

Ash: Probably not who had no lines.

Ash: Lord coward.

Pat: Lord coward.

Stephen: Yeah whatsoever if they give you a few more so I spent this entire movie when we see the Lord coward or whatever his name is the name of the actual actor but I spent his last name is coward coward.

Ash: But was it really.

Pat: We have run away from everybody all of history if one of our ancestors.

Stephen: We have Blackwood and coward is was like you said it's just telegraphing the villains.

Pat: Alastair.

Bret: Yeah I know it's keep going.

Ash: Oh no.

Stephen: I spent the whole movie with the Lord Tower Guy the one with the pointy facial hair thinking it was Jason Ritter.

Pat: Oh does yeah that's what I was talking about who like the.

Bret: Jason okay.

Stephen: It's very much not him.

Ash: I said yeah.

Pat: Yeah I see that Jason Ritter's cousin but he looks like he's just like to have the same or Dad's or brothers.

Ash: Oh yeah they do look a lot alike wow.

Stephen: Jason Ritter Dipper in Gravity Falls so or blessing.

Pat: Yes yeah.

Bret: That one's next time I watch this haven't seen any Gravity Falls yet.

Pat: Oh it's so good I watched it twice getting a Blanche and Brett and chain cuz I'm blanching.

Bret: We were at we were deep in the infinity train which is excellent.

Stephen: That's a good decision to.

Bret: Yeah.

Pat: Yeah.

Sam: And Over the Garden Wall.

Stephen: Yeah.

Pat: I love.

Bret: Which is also excellent but in like a lesser different way but it's like really good.

Pat: Diego Alex wasn't last Halloween I was like have you guys heard of this thing that's like 5 years old they like yeah.

Ash: Yeah.

Stephen: I have I have hit his tape.

Bret: Really.

Ash: I still haven't seen it.

Ash: Oh.

Bret: That's awesome that's amazing.

Pat: George Washington.

Stephen: Is the first era tape they made them through Mondo.

Sam: That's awesome.

Bret: I love that.

Pat: That's amazing.

Ash: Brett did you have any.

Pat: So.

Sam: Weed.

Ash: Did you have any after vewy trivia.

Ash: Okay.

Ash: Oh wow.

Bret: No here's the thing is there was a lot of trivia for this movie is on several different websites I was doing research for like an hour and it's all the same trivia and everybody pulled it from IMDb and all IMDb bulshit trivia is just like did you know that this when this thing was on screen it was a reference to this Sherlock story and that I don't want to talk about that there's a no that's not it that's not fun for me.

Pat: Did until I win I win at playing lion Bebe.

Pat: I'm asking will you said there's no trivia so that's a completely reasonable question.

Bret: You know what I'm going to hold IMDb hostage.

Pat: Fine I don't care.

Bret: I'm holding it hostage and.

Pat: But whatever.

Stephen: I like Lion Bebe but why is it not I am debunk.

Ash: I thought I was grumpy.

Bret: IMDb it's it's two truths and a lie but would like it was IMDb facts.

Ash: Yeah.

Bret: No okay you want play you want to play.

Pat: No I'm just I'm at little I was just asking because I wasn't able to do it now I was just asking because you said there's no good forever but I'm with you they have a lot of stupid ass trivia and IMDb it's like what the fuc.

Sam: Brett Andrew Eggleston.

Bret: Yeah alright listener to to Pat's incessant whining it is now time for lying TV.

Pat: Hahaha.

Pat: I have not yet begun to wine.

Ash: You know ever since you had a child so grumpy red hasn't been sleeping and the growth is coming out.

Bret: The theme song that I have real IMDb requires a little bit of a lead-in so I have to have a little bit of a little thing ready to go you know.

Ash: And to have a sacrificial lamb ready to throw on the Fire.

Bret: So let's I internet's off no Googling no no none of that nonsense here are you or three fact Mundos despite various live action and television appearances this was the first US Sherlock film in 30 years.

Bret: Number to Robert the dredger the big the big guy actually knocked out Robert Downey jr. In one of their fight seems like.

Ash: Well.

Sam: Is it wrong that I kind of believe that.

Bret: I'm making it more believable is he is a French professional wrestler which I'm not familiar with the French professional wrestling circuit but that sounds awesome.

Sam: Except for the cops in the firefighters beat each other.

Bret: Okay but that's not perfect that's out in the streets but.

Pat: Number three is a lie that sounded just like Jared Harris number three is a y.

Bret: The theatrical release.

Pat: Oh.

Ash: Why would they replace him then.

Pat: It wasn't a cashier at Harris and then they went back for the video and like had him double over so it's the same boys.

Stephen: It was all because of the writers strike.

Pat: No he probably would never shows he's probably just doing that.

Ash: The Brad Pitt lost the role.

Bret: So are we all going with that third.

Pat: No and I'm thinking again now.

Ash: I'm going with number one.

Pat: Number one.

Ash: I think number one salai.

Bret: Okay number what I got number one was this was the.

Sam: I'm going with number to as much as I want to believe it I doubt they'd let Robert Downey.

Pat: Wait I didn't I didn't finally say.

Pat: Okay.

Ash: In case I don't remember 5 seconds ago.

Bret: I just recapping cuz people listening number 1 number 2 number 3 number one was it's been a long-time member to was already day gets knocked out the number three is Brad Pitt hate talking on the show.

Pat: It's been a long time shouldn't have left you without a Sherlock 250R.

Bret: Cigar boat for 1 and 2.

Ash: A very ago that should have been.

Stephen: I63 is the lie it's a good one though like that's a good story.

Ash: It is a good one.

Ash: Was a good one.

Stephen: Sherlock's in it.

Pat: 30 years old 999 does Great Mouse Detective count as a Sherlock movie cuz that is less than 30 years with that's less than 30 years I'm going to say one's alive.

Stephen: Talk to nurse a shadow.

Bret: Like I said that to one's a 223 so.

Ash: He doesn't want to say.

Ash: Wow.

Pat: Number 3 is true.

Pat: No.

Bret: Daniel Day-Lewis and Brad Pitt and several other actors were considered for this and it is yeah it's that number three was true it was decided that they all had the wrong field for Moriarty which I could see like I don't think Brad Pitt would have been really fun to watch on screen but.

Ash: No.

Stephen: Dailymotion the wrong flavor has all the flavors of goddamn Gobstopper.

Ash: Daniel Day-Lewis though yeah.

Bret: That's a question.

Ash: All the flavors how many licks does it get today.

Sam: That's the Tootsie Roll Pop.

Pat: Saint Cecilia's.

Ash: I know but it's still awake.

Ash: Ding ding ding.

Pat: Yeah.

Bret: So yeah I just changed the number it was only 20 years there was some stuff in the 80s with Sherlock being mean but the fuckout assuming it's the one where he head-butted him.

Ash: Wow.

Pat: We're talking about before and it's halftime. They want to sound like a 180 on when I was younger I feel like that like that sounded cool this after their own stunts but now and I don't think I know I have the tiny tiny tiny tiny inside but the fact is I feel like I said it's really irresponsible right cuz if the actor gets hurt and their production has to get put on hold you just putting a s*** ton of people like out of work for a light while you heal.

Stephen: Don't tell Noah I said I thought you weren't going to get it and I'm going to make sure nobody follows you.

Bret: I totally get that point of view and I have agreed with it in the past but just to be a contrarian cuz I had this thought right now have you considered that some of these movies might not be made if the actor didn't perform their own stunts it's a large part of why I still go and watch not Tom Hanks f****** Tom Cruise Tom Cruise movies or like it's probably half of my enjoyment of all Jackie Chan movies no matter how quality they are the thought that he's out there like doing that s*** himself is like why I watch.

Pat: Yeah he's a true martial artist.

Ash: He's trained for it like that's the difference is like Jackie Chan yeah Jackie Chan knows how to fall Jackie Chan knows how to take a punch she knows how to do all that stuff.

Pat: I'm going to ask and I'm asking you is it you is it the reason you go see Tom Cruise movies or the reason you go see Mission Impossible movies.

Stephen: I think before before anyone really consider the idea of lycopodium that person has their own stunts before like people just watch movies and it was like that's not was crazy like the idea of that scene in The Princess Bride where the princess is just falling down the hill and it's just some dude not even good it didn't change my enjoyment of the movie or anything if they take hurt that actress from Wonder Woman and had her do the stunts back then wouldn't change nothing for me about enjoying that scene and seeing anything happen with buttercup.

Bret: Alright.

Stephen: Actresses badass.

Bret: The Rus didn't have to be a really big rat that's fine.

Bret: But I think so who won that one who all voted number one non that hat Mash.

Pat: Yeah Wee Woo.

Bret: Everyone else is a dummy get out.

Pat: No seriously get the f*** out.

Pat: If you would if you were playing along at home and you picked the wrong answer turn this off now stop it.

Stephen: You say if you got it wrong you you're legally obligated to like this episode.

Ash: Doesn't mean episode.

Ash: Yeah.

Pat: Yes he was very yes he was being rtj like who he is like Persona and I enjoyed it I don't I could see it and not having the staying power though as far as being too much of a series words like okay I think it's cheeky and Whimsical and endearing for our movie and I enjoyed it I could see it being like okay we get it like you laws all for clumped and flustered and fussy and you're being you know kind of a dick but also somehow Charming.

Pat: Yeah.

Bret: So.

Ash: They like The Odd Couple.

Stephen: These days straight to the Moon Watson.

Pat: I want to look up II movies box office like.

Pat: Okay.

Bret: I do have one other trivia for you here because while you may have thought that.

Ash: Well then don't you get all sassy on Pat and come over here with your f****** trivia goddamnit.

Pat: Thank you thank you Ashley thank you.

Bret: So.

Bret: There was at there was talk about many more films and you know IMDb can't be trusted but it says there's a third one slated for a fairly recent upcoming release.

Pat: With the same cast.

Ash: I saw that.

Bret: Butt face.

Ash: What's the second one as bad.

Pat: I think we are ashes final thoughts.

Ash: Or I mean was it bad I'm sorry.

Bret: But that the trivia there was.

Ash: I know you really don't.

Bret: So do you all remember what happened in the second one.

Sam: No.

Stephen: Gypsy.

Bret: Okay.

Ash: No.

Pat: Do I fell asleep I fell asleep the one time I saw it.

Sam: Did they jump off a waterfall I figli remember that.

Stephen: Do you remember.

Bret: Did they was that internet I shouldn't ask that question to know I don't remember what happened anyway they're going to Bond girl Sherlock and it would they use those words in an interview there like we're going to have just a new love interest every movie for him and like murder or whatever the previous love interest and like get rid of them.

Stephen: So they would kill Irene Adler his biggest love in the movies.

Bret: Yeah they were just going to.

Stephen: Yeah.

Ash: And Only Love questionably right.

Bret: Yeah that was the plan is this was supposed to be Victorian James Bond.

Stephen: They can just say they didn't like Rachel McAdams.

Pat: Interesting.

Ash: Yeah no no.

Stephen: We can just say that instead didn't have to try to get up with this other nonsense.

Pat: Is Irene Adler a Canon character from the books Asian-American in the books.

Ash: Yes yeah.

Pat: No.

Stephen: No not that I remember.

Ash: No no.

Pat: So Rachel McAdams can do an accent is over.

Ash: Not at all.

Stephen: Remedies you can do an accent very well either.

Bret: Accept.

Ash: Yeah no.

Ash: Not well.

Bret: It is heated socks kind of funny in general and like just be like you just talking sassy I don't know.

Ash: Yeah I think that's the like the thing about it like the whole we're going to turn it into an action franchise and do all the action tropes that I'm like but but that's not really Sherlock you know but I will say I did really enjoy this movie and I thought it was a lot better than I was expecting for sure.

Bret: I mean.

Stephen: Correct me if I'm wrong though you might just behave like bleed like contact high kind of like AOE damage on you right now from your proximity to the final The Fast and Furious movies you're changed after having watched all the snow.

Bret: My thought is.

Pat: Have you watched all of the know Ash.

Bret: Oh yeah did you.

Pat: New York.

Pat: We're not watching them in order.

Stephen: The shop before Tokyo Drift.

Stephen: HotShots nuts that's the last one you watch.

Ash: Right that's true but is very true I have watched all of them except for Tokyo Drift we still haven't watched Tokyo Drift or obviously 9 cuz it's not out yet but yeah we were watching it we were watching it and Order and people on Twitter said the Tokyo Drift was bad and that we should skip it and so we did and then we skipped it and then more people in Twitter or like don't skip Tokyo Drift and I was like oops So the plan is to finish with Tokyo Drew.

Pat: Okay.

Ash: Man that is a bad lag.

Bret: Yeah you're like so it's so you're saying is he were watching them in order and got as far as to.

Pat: Yeah cuz that's the third one.

Stephen: Chronologically film.

Ash: But I watched all the other ones in order.

Stephen: Logically Tokyo Drift has come much later though.

Bret: History.

Stephen: It's battle universe.

Ash: That was still there.

Pat: Is it is it worth I've never say I've seen the first two movies is it worth watching four through eight through nine or whatever.

Sam: They're ridiculous.

Pat: Steven disagrees as for his expression.

Stephen: Yeah.

Ash: Oh my God yes oh my God they are there they only get better there so f****** good and I used to think Steven I used to completely agree with you I thought they were like ridiculous and I mean hey there over-the-top like talk about the most over-the-top possible but but is it fun yeah you know it's super fun.

Bret: I would say that like five six and seven were like better better better and then like fate missed the mark for me as in Hobbs and Shaw it was back to amazing.

Pat: Okay.

Ash: Yeah.

Stephen: Feet missed the mark for me sounds like an episode title of some HBO series.

Pat: You know it didn't miss the mark any Sherlock's punches.

Stephen: Pat yourself on the back for that one.

Pat: Yeah.

Bret: No no.

Pat: No.

Ash: Pat pat yourself on the back of Pat Pat.

Sam: How many dads are on this podcast.

Pat: All dad's oops all dads.

Ash: I said in the beginning but I also.

Bret: So.

Ash: And our next podcast of solid Ave.

Bret: I want to know.

Ash: We don't talk about my favorite part.

Bret: Talk about your favorite part.

Ash: My favorite part is with tool the tool fanny pack can we talk about the tool fanny pack because it's amazing.

Pat: Wait did he ever successfully or unlock any lockpicks or is it open for him.

Sam: He does.

Stephen: The second one.

Ash: Know well.

Ash: Okay.

Sam: He does the handcuffs that's about it though.

Ash: Yeah he does do the handcuffs.

Pat: Nevermind or oh yeah but I'm doors cuz it's like dulock Hicks open one he's working on she opens another one from the inside is working on.

Sam: That's funny.

Pat: There's another one.

Bret: Just went over my head I miss that one that's funny.

Stephen: He never gets to open I think you guys are right that he just gets Irene's handcuffs later.

Ash: Yeah.

Bret: Bonnie gets out of the handcuffs in the Smoke scene.

Pat: It doesn't really count as I'm picking the locks cuz he was given the key.

Pat: Inspector slip the key.

Bret: That's not picking.

Pat: What does a cow saying like 20 male was hacked when you left open on a public computer.

Bret: You don't know what the heck is.

Pat: Yeah.

Ash: I can't believe you guess my password that was on the sticky note.

Sam: Was this in the era of 3D.

Sam: Because.

Stephen: It was but I don't think this ever got considered for 3D.

Ash: Oh.

Pat: Aggression.

Bret: But like that's I think that's one of my least favorite fight memes it in general are action memes is the at the stoplight right before the face because that's a no okay it's not that intense when every movie does it get anything.

Stephen: Casper's dad's Workshop.

Pat: About the the pigs I buy it there's like a machine by the way nice steampunk butcher shop I get I get like cutting them in half or whatever but what are they cooking but they're like so quick and it's like.

Sam: I believe.

Pat: Will it cookie.

Sam: No.

Pat: Yeah.

Ash: With the fire good question.

Sam: I don't think it's cooking I think it's a preserving thing to like kill bacteria before they open up the meat.

Pat: Oh maybe.

Pat: Okay.

Bret: I was going to go with making sure there's no hair on them cuz it didn't seem like there was enough.

Stephen: It also possibility.

Sam: Those they were already skinned.

Ash: That also makes sense.

Sam: Lowe's pay.

Bret: But like but skin is different for pigs because you eat the skin also right I don't know how how much can you remove from a pig.

Sam: You're asking the wrong vegetarian.

Pat: Okay I'm sorry I brought this up I'm sorry about this up yeah.

Stephen: That's the best pork rinds it's all of it it's all of it it's pork rinds we eat them in its delicious.

Pat: I do like pork rinds.

Pat: I don't like talking about it.

Bret: Pork rinds are delicious.

Ash: You eat them Steven.

Pat: I just yet I'm definitely one of those people who is I do eat meat I am either but I'm also totally open to the idea that in like a couple Generations will be like that was f***** up we should have done that like.

Stephen: A smoothie committing war crimes against the future adversaries of humanity right now it's a very clear about that like the Google homes that like the Alexa isn't everything and all of the animals are going to rise up against us.

Sam: Yeah.

Stephen: They're there to help the pigs rise up.

Ash: Oh I thought you were saying pigs were the future adversary.

Bret: Stop it with the my octopus.

Pat: Know what the future is no octopus are the future I mean go watch my octopus e-cigarette that they are the future.

Ash: I wanted to watch it and then you warned me that you are just going to cry and I was like well maybe I will.

Bret: Hat.

Pat: Listen if you haven't watched my octopus teacher in floribama Shore you're missing out on two of the finest pieces pedia ever put on the screen.

Ash: Alright but this movie.

Bret: Pat alright I feel like.

Ash: Can we talk about the French Giant.

Sam: Yes.

Bret: He's a professional wrestler.

Bret: Oh yeah.

Ash: Sorry I didn't mean to but yeah I just stayed like the whole fight scene with him was just like super awesome.

Sam: Yeah both of them.

Pat: But you mean the gay on Francois.

Ash: I guess that's it.

Bret: That one.

Stephen: I did like the.

Pat: Giant Francois French Giant.

Sam: No I don't remember how to say that in French.

Sam: Sounds great.

Pat: What such a common phrase.

Bret: That's one thing that could have aged poorly that I think was super dope was the that fight scene and how absolutely cartoony it was with the with the taser and launching that dude a 30ft and it was just so good.

Stephen: I know that things in movies they obviously use some stuff that can make it bash things to make props and stuff there was something in this movie with that taser what it was not a kitbashing because this object would not have existed but that teaser looks like a broken selfie stick.

Stephen: That's all I can think the entire time.

Bret: Oh man totally when were selfie sticks invented cuz.

Pat: It'd be one thing the one the one in seven that really like that dumb was when he didn't poke him directly with it when he hits the piping and it runs along the piping and then shoots himself are back that it knocks out the other guy that was going to get Jude Law but I'm like if it was doing that with power wouldn't be like anything touching that piping the brick wall it's up against wouldn't that be like getting blown up I know it's like.

Stephen: Empty grounds.

Ash: Yeah.

Sam: I do I like that that was ridiculous but I liked it.

Pat: I don't know how it works.

Bret: I think it's all of that.

Ash: My only problem with it my only problem with it is the logic like it seems like he used it and then he had to charge it and then he used it and he had a charge it and then suddenly he could use it and it had multiple charges.

Bret: He's really cranking it on screen.

Ash: Okay.

Stephen: Teresa joke.

Pat: But he charged it a lot the one time he was going real he was going mad he was doing he went to town on it that one time I think I'm just being an a****** hard in this movie.

Pat: I do like that thing it's kind of trophy though when two people are fighting and they are actively trying to murder each other but they are like polite to each other as they do it and like they both they both a different points or like one minute like.

Ash: Like Princess Bride.

Pat: Play Princess Bride yes and then like he says it to him in the other shirt he says after he gets shot the first time our buddy French giant says this is the same thing back to him one minute.

Pat: I like that stuff.

Bret: But like fighting that's very very British.

Sam: Also it's a fun little character moment because it shows like that both of them are really just in it for the fight there. In it for the win they're not in it to lose they're just in it for the process I like that.

Pat: I can join the sport of it.

Ash: Oh.

Bret: You know there's a segment we haven't done yet I don't know how much there is to talk about asked you have any direct your thoughts about 7 I think that the only stuff I really like that was stood out to me was the very very Guy Ritchie montages a couple of them like this Superfast cuts and all that yeah.

Bret: Yeah that's exactly.

Ash: Yeah yeah like like when he were like is telling Watson about Eileen Irene Adler and he's like let me explain and it's like the fast almost Edgar eightish montage.

Pat: I mean.

Ash: Yeah I mean.

Pat: I was just doing that probably before I go right I mean like locks.

Bret: I wonder.

Bret: When did Fistful of fingers come out.

Ash: Oh yeah yeah totally totally I wouldn't be surprised if Edgar Wright is yuno influenced and inspired by Guy Ritchie but I mean overall.

Ash: I don't know question.

Pat: Spending lockstock is is like what is like mid-to-late 90s.

Bret: 95 was Fistful of fingers.

Bret: Yeah.

Ash: Yeah.

Pat: Is that egg whites first.

Bret: Garrett is doing the mega right thing.

Pat: Edgar Wright been in a game that long.

Stephen: I don't really have to write with that all.

Bret: I think I think.

Stephen: If I'm being honest like I'm not trying to talk about anybody it's just I thought he was.

Bret: I think he made as well fingers when he was like a teenager so.

Ash: Film school yeah I think it was like his Film School thesis or like right out of film school but this movie I mean yeah I'm very surprised and I'm glad that I was wrong because the direction and cinematography and music in this are all really good and you know he's using so many different tools in the toolbox the filmmaking toolbox like you know sometimes there's directors that like have a very distinct style and that's great and I love that too and they sort of do the same sort of stylistic things over and over again but he's using all sorts of different tactics throughout this whole movie like at one point we have the shot that's like upside-down that then pans the street as they run and right sides up or I love the the pillow seemed transition where it turns out he's like you know when he's like locked up with the pillow in his crotch and then it transitions from the scene of the the lady finding him to him telling the story to the police captain or whoever and I just love that he used Hughes you don't so many different schools and filmmaking ways of telling a story like it would so elegantly go into an action scene but then also we would have liked the moment when he's trying to remember or figure it out like it's a very like stylistic Montage scene with like ghost trails and stuff you know like he really used a lot of different elements to tell the story which helps keep it fresh and you know make it interesting throughout the whole thing it didn't feel like using the same tool over and over again which I thought was really cool.

Stephen: She said what if you wanted to find out more about these filmmaking tools in the stool kit is there a YouTube channel that could possibly go to or anyting.

Bret: What happened to you today.

Stephen: Awesome.

Bret: That's amazing.

Pat: Nice.

Bret: That's So Dope.

Pat: That's awesome.

Sam: So good.

Sam: Red Dead 2.

Ash: Yeah you know I do it for you to actually a really cool thing happened to me today guys while I was watching the movie so earlier today I watched somebody I watch somebody's video on YouTube and I commented and I was like hey great video like this was really helpful and they responded there like oh my God thank you can I fan girl real quick I'm watching your LinkedIn learning series and I was like oh my God that's so random and they were stoked that I commented on their video randomly yeah anyway those spells really cool but yeah I mean I think we should talk about the music to because like the music in this is incredible like you guys were totally totally called it oh and I found out what that instrument was that you were wondering about it say.

Bret: It's a lot of instruments.

Stephen: Dulcimer is it until summer.

Bret: Okay so there's some of its.

Pat: My guess is Theremin.

Ash: Dual fuel Simer or so is it okay dulcimer thank you yeah am I wrong.

Bret: So some of its dulcimer but via the main theme the one that's like way to wire because I know you can kind of our beloved dulcimer but like the one that just sounds like a broken piano is literally broken piano in like five other instruments layered to create that effect in there.

Sam: Does Brett to only use like it's a dulcimer and I was like what's that he played some videos and I was like that doesn't sound like the theme Google it so.

Bret: We have the main theme was like a whole bunch of s*** layered to the Chewbacca of of instruments.

Ash: Gotcha.

Sam: Chewbacca.

Sam: Cool.

Pat: Never going to happen.

Bret: I would be interested in seeing that masterclass.

Bret: Oh yeah that totally made it.

Sam: Yeah totally is.

Ash: Cuz I asked Bryce I was like Bryce what is that instrument and he just guess he's like I think it's a dulcimer but also he watched the Hans Zimmer masterclass and he talks about writing this team in the master class so if you're interested to find out more you know go watch the Hans Zimmer masterclass yeah pretty awesome amazing like is this the first time that yeah so is this like the first time that sound was like associated with Sherlock because now that sound is Sherlock you know what I mean like even the new TV show like they have a similar sound.

Stephen: I think that they definitely patterned the things for the BBC series after the tone of there's no way they were inspired by it.

Pat: Oh this is the first cuz I'm over here in that be like yep there's that Sherlock he's got the first.

Ash: I don't know I'm asking.

Sam: Was certainly the first that I had heard but that doesn't mean it was the actual first.

Ash: Maybe.

Bret: I would think the dulcimer would be like a weird Choice suggest I have always been that like that's it it felt it felt very composerily like they went out of their way to be like choose a sound that's iconic for this.

Bret: Oh yeah.

Stephen: Earlier that pretty much all the good stuff for sure luck can you trace back to Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd century so I think if we were to be able to find those episodes from the fox box back when I think we would be able to narrow it down a little better.

Bret: They can I hear that theme song and the.

Bret: 22nd century.

Sam: What is this magical Sherlock in the 22nd century that you were talking about like.

Sam: Okay okay.

Stephen: It's really not good with we're at we're playing it up for comedic effect it's not a good series there's an episode that happens in like a laser tag arena for some reason with a bunch of like street urchin kids it's a lot.

Sam: Oh God.

Bret: I'm going to have to cut out the segment but I do want to hear it here it is.

Ash: Is it the one where he comes to the Future.

Sam: Third Matrix.

Stephen: Yes.

Bret: There's no dulcimer in there.

Sam: It sounds like like Matrix.

Bret: As very.

Bret: We have their album.

Sam: Who said The Venture Brothers.

Stephen: Aphex Twin's.

Bret: Propellerhead very propellerhead.

Sam: Apex NC.

Stephen: I just have one question as a person I think all of us have at least a knife or film is not a person who's like had a hand in any kind of things but this stuff is that the jail that they get locked up in where Sherlock starts telling jokes all the criminals and stuff is that the same deal that used in The Prestige.

Pat: Bug and looks like it.

Stephen: So much.

Pat: I mean this.

Ash: Interesting question because I sought the attic that they're in that they're like drawing the magic stuff on I was like this straight up looks like a set from Sleepy Hollow.

Ash: Right.

Pat: Oh I thought this movie was very prestigious though I thought that multiple times where it looks very like he's going to bump into a magician but he Jackman at any point which was three years before this.

Sam: The Prestige was before this okay.

Pat: Yeah.

Pat: What if.

Bret: Yeah but I mean it makes sense that they are they all at had kind of a similar Lookin Like color grade in general cuz it ain't no that was during the the days of the next-gen filter and it made it that he could Sway in the movies.

Pat: Am I headcanon Emma hickey and Lord Blackwood got the Machinery parts for his doomsday device from David Bowie's Tesla.

Bret: Good crossover.

Ash: I like that.

Stephen: By the way it's just an opening sequence and the poster that blew everything else was a pretty straightforward colored right I was very wrong about that.

Ash: Yeah I thought the blacks were going to be like super Crush you know.

Bret: Where they not for you is that just start TV.

Ash: I didn't see that.

Pat: I don't know what that sentence means.

Ash: She means gosh if you don't know what it means it sounds pretty terrible doesn't it.

Stephen: There's actually a joke about that.

Sam: I hear it now I've only ever.

Ash: It means when you like release like.

Ash: It means when you like.

Bret: There's no definition in anything that's dark on screen it's just black and then and then a cut off and then they stuff that's bright with definition.

Ash: Yeah like you can see here there's no yeah.

Pat: Okay.

Sam: Remember the last season of Game of Thrones.

Ash: Or hear there's no details in the blacks.

Pat: Yeah.

Stephen: The banding.

Pat: The Battle of Winterfell.

Ash: Yes good example good job.

Sam: Yep.

Ash: Anyone else thinks of this movie felt like Assassin's Creed.

Stephen: With his little love Derringer that was on his little arm piece it just further the Casper's dad's Workshop sing.

Ash: Yeah and just being on like the tower bridge like at the end and everything like oh they climb to Tower just like every Assassin's Creed video game.

Bret: You know there was a real big focus on the architecture of this world that they were in like they did Cover a lot of ground you know it could have felt small and like look at the clues in my hand but like this it was pretty big insco.

Bret: Aladdin.

Pat: Between this between snatch between lock socket obvious Gyros you love London like he loves London he's he thinks like cuz the city is like.

Ash: Isn't he British.

Pat: Are you kidding are you I can't tell if you're f****** with me or not.

Stephen: I did really don't know his name is Guy Ritchie has a pretty f****** British name.

Pat: Weigh-ins are you f****** with me right now or.

Ash: I'm pretty sure he's British.

Ash: No.

Pat: Yeah but I'm saying so but that's one city in.

Stephen: That's where I'm from Arizona Arizona sucks I don't want to make a movie in Arizona.

Pat: Like I wouldn't I wouldn't make like a bunch of bums about Washington DC in like it's obvious there are plenty of other large cities in the UK obviously.

Ash: Have you met British people though they're obsessed with London their olives.

Pat: Do there are plenty of people UK to f****** hate but.

Bret: Hey Pat do your accent from rsim14 industry.

Pat: What you want me to say.

Pat: Forecast like this names that died Declan dying I'm going to have a crystal and I'm out here in the Frozen North looking for adventure.

Bret: You know I thought I was being mean to British people today.

Bret: I'm not but it's his it's his creation.

Ash: You did ask him to do it though.

Pat: You asked for it I'm up here in the Frozen North looking for some Adventure.

Pat: Roy.

Stephen: Go to the wall you said some of the Frozen North.

Ash: Michael cocaine.

Pat: Is a f****** thing right now it's about icewind Dale is his frozen body f****** lined up there I'm up there with my friend Mitzi he's obsessed with rats with a whip.

Bret: Alright that guy that's enough of that piece for the love of God please stop.

Sam: Ash this is what your missing every Thursday morning.

Pat: What was your f****** self.

Bret: Aikido I did and I take full responsibility but it must end.

Ash: Oh my God.

Pat: I'm just saying maybe we should take it I have a bit of an issue I'm going to be I'm going that way I'm going into any final thoughts and I got an issue with the clandestine nature of lower blackwood's machinations is like seriously.

Ash: You sound like Ricky Gervais that's who you sound.

Stephen: It's a goatee.

Stephen: Affair.

Ash: He's a theater kid.

Pat: Intuit who played dress-up and is like I want to do makuu but I wanted to be a Gothic who has like cuz that's so much effort he went into cuz are we are we saying the Canon of the the opening scene was staged he wanted to get caught.

Bret: Yes.

Ash: I think so I mean that's what makes sense right yeah.

Pat: Yeah which by the way that's got to be hard right like how do you know they're coming when you know they're going to get there I don't know you just ended now so fridge my head again in the girl was in on it and she was a Lackey but so many of the explanations are only paid someone off.

Bret: Pat you sound a little bit like a like a disillusioned kid watching Scooby-Doo and finding out that the that the villain that was a ghost the whole time just was like in it for the money.

Sam: He would have gotten away with it too.

Pat: This is very Scooby-Doo.

Pat: Let's see who's really behind this governmental coup.

Stephen: I was going to say you from the one podcast that I've ever done with case before you sound like case.

Pat: Aloha case.

Pat: Oh yeah.

Stephen: Yeah cuz you're like this chart right here with these 40 different points right now none of these are feasible together in any way shape or form that I have an issue with that.

Pat: I mean we're both generic cishet white guy nerds it's like yeah like.

Ash: I mean Pat also finds any way possible to turn this podcast into cases.

Bret: Yes.

Sam: Yes.

Ash: Are you rewatching it.

Pat: Contact guess my dream came true I'm doing another pass in two days on the shadow movie I'm not done with this movie I'm not done with this yes.

Bret: Oh goodness.

Ash: Are you to watch it again oh man.

Ash: Wow.

Pat: It's fine but do you do you have to be else are we trying to push into final thoughts.

Bret: Yeah we're in final Thoughts by Dior.

Ash: You're doing it.

Ash: Enjoy it or enjoy it.

Pat: Okay so I enjoyed it it was fun I do still even after so many Marvel movies in the sand that I do so enjoy it really enjoy cheeky Charming robertdowneyjr I like it it's fine I like it's Pleasant and then the way he hit his rapport with Jude Law is excellent back and forth may we like each other but we still get skin but we still at the end of the day or so.

Bret: How do we get back here.

Sam: Fascist.

Bret: AK.

Stephen: She did it she did it.

Ash: It's my fault is it supposed net-positive.

Ash: Glaceon EX.

Sam: I'll go banging soundtrack still holds up pretty well Superfund it's not a perfect Sherlock Holmes adaptation but it brought a lot of new right but it brought a lot of new Concepts to the table and really kind of put a fun spin on it. Made it both like a little more modern and a little more cool old-timey steampunk and I think without this movie the British series that everyone loves so much would not have been as successful as it was so I think this is a really important film for or video at a patient's of Sherlock and I enjoyed it.

Sam: Cumberbatch.

Bret: I could see that pitch like beep BBC Sherlock was like it did you like the Robert Downey jr. Sherlock but kind of wished that it was a little more stuffy and a little more ass holy we've got a surprise for you we got Benedict Cumberbatch as the same guy but being mean to people because I wasn't mad at him ever except maybe that time he was mean to what's-her-face it dinner.

Bret: But like.

Stephen: Was he mean.

Ash: He was mean the people he was mean to lestrade a lot a lot.

Stephen: You read the books will start asking for it.

Sam: I did want to.

Ash: I know but I'm just saying he was mean to people.

Sam: I thought you lost was a very Charming Watson actually.

Bret: Angry.

Sam: I quite liked him.

Ash: Yeah totally.

Sam: That's it.

Bret: But I guess I guess I was starting on my my thing there I had a good time watching this movie I will ever call I don't think I like the second one very much and I think it's probably for the reasons that Pat kind of mentioned is like this is great but like can they keep doing it and I will be surprised if the third one comes out at all but I didn't actually look it up I wonder how much the second one made like it had to have failed right like why would they have stopped making this.

Pat: I did cuz super curious they gave it 35 more million dollars so cost 225 million but it says cumulative did about the same like 540 million.

Bret: Wow.

Bret: Celeb.

Bret: Yeah.

Pat: Punitive worldwide Dino not reliable IMDb but.

Bret: People want money out of that I don't know it's weird that it stopped then except maybe maybe they're just like Robert Downey jr. Too expensive.

Bret: Andina.

Pat: I mean but that was like 2011 - 2011 and he yes that's exactly I was going he probably was cuz at memcu was in full swing this 2011 that's the year before the first Avengers movie come out so he is fully like realizes like people are buying this s*** and they loved it so he's probably at that point like okay cool I'm going to be like 30 mil and.

Pat: Yeah.

Bret: And I can see from like business brain perspective like the contract negotiations leaning towards a you know not only does every time my face appear on screen make you guys a billion dollars but also I got these other guys making me to do more Sherlock and and Disney's just like yo we don't want to delude the market with too much like rtj3 and time how about you don't do any f****** thing into for the next 10 years except Marvel and he's like yeah for like an infinite amount of money and they enter that we have infinite money and that's what happened.

Sam: I would like to point out that Disney did not own Marvel at this time.

Ash: That is our superpower.

Pat: That's true.

Bret: No but they got them they got a pretty quick after.

Sam: After 2009.

Bret: It looks like 2013.

Pat: When did Disney buy Marvel.

Sam: Like 2014-2015.

Bret: But really.

Pat: No-oooooo 9 August 31st.

Sam: No s***.

Pat: O9 August 31st 2009.

Ash: Oh s***.

Pat: After like right right before this movie came out for so this is that I was early that was literally out Sam I was with you I would have guessed like around the first Avengers movie time I don't know they're like but dang.

Bret: Yeah so that was they locked it in they locked down there like there's too much money at stake here like get them.

Pat: And they were right holyshit.

Ash: So did he just make more than.

Ash: Oh sorry.

Stephen: Yeah.

Bret: No one else gets to negotiate a good contractor we saw it f****** Robert did no one else gets a good contract but I like this movie that's my review it was fun he made so much more than everyone else throughout the entirety of his run in Marvel like not just like a normal multiple but it was like tedx multiple like he was.

Ash: Wow.

Stephen: He also negotiated for something like Austin packet to.

Pat: Yeah so the last one 4 endgame trailer for Avengers endgame he got 20 million up front and 55 million on the backyard.

Bret: Dang.

Ash: Wow.

Pat: Movie for the last movie he made 75 million dollars.

Ash: I need aizin.

Bret: Boilers.

Ash: Wow.

Stephen: Is there something like a percentage of box office or something too I don't know what all the details were they made it so crazy.

Bret: That's just a wild though.

Pat: Yeah but Marvel good investment.

Ash: The internet has already spoiled that if you haven't if it hasn't been a spoiled for you cuz like it was spoiled for me years before I even watched the movie.

Stephen: Metaphors of the last part.

Ash: I'm not saying that I'm just saying.

Bret: What is the bucket of crabs like mentality like Iowa spoiled for me so now everyone can just suck on my spoiler dick away.

Ash: Yeah I like if you I just saying I don't know how you could have avoided it.

Sam: Is it wrong that I just hear that.

Stephen: I didn't type that you mentioned like a crab penises.

Sam: So I imagine like a fast and the furious penis car with a bunch of spoilers on it.

Bret: I'm sorry.

Stephen: This movie came out pretty much where I thought I would be with it or else like I enjoy this till I have no other big critical commentary on it watching it there were a couple parts like in the beginning or ice I wondered if they had done their Studio names in the the stone like the cobblestones as a practical thing or a digital thing but there's something about the way that it flows and then the way their transitions into the part after that where I don't think it was practical but still would have been real.

Bret: Are you okay.

Bret: Did you like Google crab dick.

Stephen: Pedestal laughing earlier today.

Pat: Delivery Olive Garden.

Stephen: PetSuites earlier today just for anyone who's not that's their listen to this right on the same day.

Pat: But it just I don't know what I thought you were going to say but it wasn't that.

Bret: I asked did you you haven't got it right.

Ash: No I didn't.

Bret: Take us home Ash.

Ash: Yeah I really enjoyed this movie I its it was way better than I expected I had no memory of it except for that went right before the final scene I was like oh yeah or actually the beginning when Robert Downey jr. Points out tower bridge when they're making it and I was like oh that's right they have this whole thing at the end so I was pleasantly surprised I enjoyed it I do not think that it's the worst version of Sherlock out there there's definitely a lot worse but yeah I think you know the well you guys could really brought up whatever that monstrosity of a cartoon series is probably being the worst action movie to me which doesn't feel like Sherlock but but.

Bret: Yeah greeby action was a bit much.

Bret: I think.

Ash: I don't I don't know that all I just think I guess my criticism would be yeah it's just I just remember to be like over the top and then I do agree with Pat where I feel like the plot was kind of convoluted you know where it was just a little a little ridiculous and unbelievable sometimes but yeah.

Ash: I think we'll.

Pat: I mean the Dead.

Bret: Yeah I feel like it's one of those things as Time Marches on that convoluted ridiculous plots pale in comparison to things that happen in real life to the point where like I want I look back at this and I think yeah that could have happened if that was like a real plot against the government these days it did.

Pat: Magic chemical.

Pat: It was a paralytic I think so.

Ash: I think the thing I always liked about Sherlock is like the simplest answer is usually actually what happened you know like a lot of times in the books it's like actually a really eloquent eloquent simple answer and this like I'm still not even really sure how that guy died in the bathtub like I get that it was some sort of chemical reaction but I don't understand why he couldn't just jump out of the bathtub.

Ash: Oh.

Stephen: I'll take them in that moment all I could think was that they could have gone for a very visceral thing where the guy goes to get out real fast cuz I had a too hot bath before you mess up your shins when you bring them up when you get out real fast or whatever and he could have lived if he had just done.

Ash: Yeah.

Bret: And it was also boiling.

Pat: I'm sure it was a real thing though cuz I was the answer was it's like a paralytic so paralyzed or something you need round but it's also is only activated when it's wet so when they drain the bathtub there was no trace of it left that's convenient.

Sam: Yeah.

Pat: Yeah.

Stephen: Alka seltzer effervescent.

Ash: Yeah why was it boiling.

Bret: Gaston today.

Pat: It was boiling I think it was the chemical reaction.

Pat: Bubbling.

Bret: Bubble bubble disaster death.

Pat: I don't know.

Pat: I mean.

Stephen: It is assassinated by Scrubbing Bubbles.

Pat: 900f the explanations for the 900f the explanations for the seemingly Supernatural stuff where he bribed a person or he had this chemical thing that did exactly what he needed to do in that time and then wasn't traceable after the fact.

Stephen: The crazy part was that like electromagnetic field around the device or whatever we still haven't healed anything even vaguely close to that s*** so like.

Bret: Man I am actually surprised at how much Scooby-Doo there was in this now that. Now that that's out there I just said it and it's just like thing.

Pat: It's.

Stephen: No masks.

Pat: I love that that was brought up his yeah.

Stephen: Thank you guys.

Ash: Yeah.

Bret: Alright well I think that's a wrap on Sherlock Holmes from 2009 Stephen thanks for coming on the show would you like to tell our listeners where they can find you what what is the Sherlock months what is the love of pages what is your astrological sign and your ideal date just all of that.

Bret: That's a good list in that show.

Stephen: The second two parts Sagittarius hang out just like do whatever you know we can learn who each other are yeah that's all I need for sure that brought me here was that that you mentioned you can find that across all the different podcatcher that anyone uses going to be with Elite media and then this last month thank you we try YouTube was like and if you made it all the way here or variations of Sherlock in there the last one that I chose for audiobook cuz I think audiobooks or fantastic that was the Neil Gaiman won a study in Emerald which is actually the thing.

Ash: That sounds cool.

Stephen: Thank you.

Stephen: You guys.

Bret: How does how does Sherlock handle the unknowable that sounds interesting.

Stephen: It's only it's only like 32 minutes so I won't spoil a lot for it but it's more about how the unknowable handle Humanity.

Ash: Somebody finally puts Sherlock in his place no no shirt.

Bret: Yeah I guess that's a new thing.

Ash: Yes you can also follow us on Twitter we're at let's re-watch where we do fun things like movie poles were you guys get to choose the movie or if Mitch chooses the movie screenshot of it and you guys get to Guess the Movie and today I specifically told Mitch on Twitter he was allowed to Guess the Movie cuz he knew but Chris came in first and guest Sherlock Holmes I'm pretty sure Chris has gotten them right the past couple of times so he's on a roll go Chris.

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Bret: Yeah Chris is honor roll at Chris's also is Spam bot but I don't know I checked out I don't know I checked out their page and they're just like a Spam bot but them but they're also human human with the heart of electronics.

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Stephen: You can as a person who uses Google podcast a whole lot put all of your eggs and telling people to rate stuff on Apple podcast cuz Google podcast done let you write s***.

Sam: So why you happy say it.

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Stephen: It's great I like it.

Bret: Yeah I am actively campaigning against Google podcast people shouldn't use it once but they don't they also don't support chapter navigation.

Ash: Do we have.

Stephen: Oh.

Bret: Which upsets me.

Stephen: Stupid thing anyone says.

Sam: Oh and what is it.

Bret: Yeah.

Ash: But hey if you leave us a review will give you a shout-out right.

Ash: Somebody say that but better.

Sam: Yes and if you extra love us please support us on patreon.

Bret: Let's watch a patreon that's all it is.

Ash: Okay yeah.

Ash: Yeah.

Ash: I'm going to be on that on this Tuesday.

Bret: Yeah he doesn't he doesn't go or Pilot like they other interview shows there are many interview shows and this one is mine sorry.

Bret: You going to be on it.

Pat: Yeah those two shows and a lot of other great shows.

Ash: Yeah he's I'm going to be on Tuesday.

Pat: Those two shows are show and a bunch of other great shows hosted by great people cannot be found a certain pov. Com.

Bret: That's a no-show join us next time when we watch Hallelujah I'm a bum.

Sam: Excuse me what.