The Dark Knight with Matt Storm
Bats carry rabies, and that is the Batman's true power. Witness Christian Bale infect the criminals of Gotham with this deadly virus as Heath Ledger's Joker tries to stop him as we watch The Dark Knight with Matt AKA Stormageddon @dj_stormageddon from this network!
Starring Ash Blodgett, Bret Eagleston, Samantha Willson and Pat Edwards
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Bret: Welcome to another episode of Let's Rewatch the show where we watch movies that we loved in our youth and find out if they're still any good I'm Bret.
Sam: Oh yeah we didn't do it didn't do it. I'm sad.
Bret: I'm not I'm not going to do this.
Sam: Orchestral farts.
Ash: Will you put like the music and their likes you know the dramatic yes.
Matt: You need some Hans Zimmer in there.
Bret: That wasn't quite the right voice right it's like it's growler.
Ash: Yeah we haven't introduced you yet Matt sit in the corner.
Pat: Oh listeners what is that voice hey he's not what you just did and I was going to say he's not the best we deserve the guest we need.
Sam: That would be Spider-Man.
Bret: No that was from this movie.
Ash: That is from this movie.
Matt: That's a line from this very movie.
Pat: No that's from this movie it's literally like the ending of this movie.
Bret: Iron Man's is a great power respect responsibility.
Matt: Great power great responsibility nice try though.
Sam: Pregnancy brain.
Pat: Storm is here hey Matt.
Matt: Hi I'm here.
Bret: He's here and we're not going to make him Host this time.
Sam: Oh damn okay.
Pat: Salt or this the whole time.
Matt: I'm here I'm here to talk about Batman.
Pat: Or did you see the.
Matt: I mean there are moments.
Bret: That that yelling Batman The Voice Idol is I'm curious to remember I find out if it actually is that abrasive because the internet has ruined it for me where it's just that like screaming like that.
Sam: Cat can I just jump can I just jump in.
Pat: Pete Holmes get Zack.
Sam: So I know we normally say fun facts until the the end of the intro but I'm going to jump in with one cuz it's relevant now did you know.
Sam: That they actually pumped up the gruff Batman voice in post because that's how Christopher Nolan thought it would be best so poor Christian Bale didn't actually do that Gruff tough of a voice onset and they altered it after.
Bret: The Darth Vader thing.
Pat: I mean I believe it that's murder on your throat man.
Ash: Yeah that what I mean.
Pat: Play can you imagine doing like so many takes over and over with I feel like I'm feeling it now from those little like we doing do it what 60 seconds all of us and I'm feeling it imagine doing just take after take.
Ash: The guy who played Shaggy like f***** up his voice because of yeah.
Matt: Voice being Shaggy into movies yeah Matthew Lillard.
Bret: Goodness really.
Pat: Doing this stuff like.
Matt: Yeah I doing the Shaggy voice yeah.
Bret: The whole time we're watching this now.
Bret: Why would you do that.
Ash: Yeah and he would like scream I believe for like a half an hour before shooting so that he would have liked that so he would have the voice.
Pat: Do it make it all broken.
Ash: I mean it's not a good idea.
Bret: Someone should have stopped him.
Bret: The old-timer watch imagine that Christian Bale has that like super was tastic like the Dupree Darth Vader voice.
Pat: Oh good for you Matt.
Matt: We do know the way through the internet Christian Bale as capable of yelling at people for a long. Of time for no reason so like you know just saying.
Ash: Oh no he was in his eye line I mean that's super expensive.
Pat: Because it was.
Sam: I was just going to say.
Matt: Sorry I had to get that one out of the way I don't know that we've actually said what we're watching yet.
Pat: He was trying to.
Sam: It's not clear.
Matt: I'm the worst.
Ash: Off the rails already.
Bret: Listen a little a little bit meta it's never a surprise for The Listener cuz it's the title of the episodes.
Ash: What's true that is true.
Matt: Thanks bro.
Bret: That seems so long ago.
Ash: 2018.
Sam: Well for those that didn't read the title and it just Auto played we are watching 2008 The Dark Knight directed by Christian Nolan starring the ever favorite Heath Ledger welcome podcast.
Matt: How about that.
Bret: Na na na na na.
Sam: We do we have 1000f the animals in the recording room with us right now.
Matt: Amazing as it should be.
Pat: Remember how.
Matt: Is the cat meowing aggressively.
Ash: Oh wow could we could we redo the Dark Knight but instead of the gruff voice it's just the cat or the odd cat.
Matt: That's a different hero Catman is a different villain he's not not the same character.
Bret: Some men just want to lick their own a******.
Ash: Oh my God.
Matt: Oh man.
Pat: Remember how hopeful 2008 was.
Ash: It's like Friskies.
Pat: Is so long ago.
Matt: It does feel like a long time ago but that's also cuz 20/20 was a decade itsfunneh funny with the decade so.
Bret: Getting so during the first half of the show do you want to see if we can just re-enact this entire movie.
Matt: I mean I probably could with the amount of times I've watched it it's it's definitely possible.
Bret: I just feel like there's a lot of direct lines from the movie in my head right now.
Ash: All all that research Sam did just throw it out the window thanks for hosting samp.
Sam: You're welcome.
Matt: I mean I have a ton of fun facts about why this movie is so important to me but I figure we'll get to that.
Sam: Yes.
Ash: There's like a whole part of the show that's dedicated for that specific.
Matt: I figured you know like I just rolling with a guy's the inner hosted me.
Sam: Cheese we are in a mood today.
Ash: We really are.
Bret: Matt's been hosted our show before.
Sam: How did we say that every episode but.
Pat: Millie for drinks real problem is.
Bret: We like we did that like it was going to become a thing and I think you were the only person who ever hosted the show.
Matt: I love doing it was fun.
Pat: Actually yes you were the only I mean I would do that again.
Ash: You're the only one we trust and we're lazy.
Matt: Vega.
Sam: All right I'm going to start so as we know it's directed by.
Ash: What can we talk about cat assholes a little bit more.
Matt: Sam is going to murder you and I'm going to help her.
Bret: Catnip disappear.
Sam: No you will not oh my God.
Pat: Don't aggravate the pregnant lady she's growing a human.
Ash: Why so Furious.
Sam: Very quick to anger the spirits not Cricket you guys are fine but mostly comes out in bread.
Bret: Know if it's a cat its why so curious.
Ash: Well I meant Furious but it came out as anyways Sam.
Sam: Get out.
Bret: Cat almost to spit water or whatever he's drinking all over his computer this is fantastic.
Pat: Yep that's water wheel called that.
Sam: All right excellent.
Sam: Oh oh my God my cat just closed all my tabs.
Ash: Everyone shut up and let's have Thai.
Sam: Okay oh no okay.
Pat: And you all thought the blank to blank that blank check episode of the most off the rails the show can get.
Ash: Oh we found the limit for fat for.
Bret: This is this is what happens when we take a half an hour to actually get into the episode is the drink hits Pat hard.
Sam: Okay okay okay.
Ash: Okay okay okay.
Ash: Joe Pesci okay okay.
Sam: So is directed by Christopher Nolan who we know from so many effing things a lot early on momento we got the prestige and their Stellar Inception Dunkirk just an insane amount of stuff.
Sam: Batman Begins Dark Knight.
Ash: Is Dunkirk just a movie about someone telling someone named Kirk that he's done I am done I am.
Bret: Swear to God.
Ash: I haven't seen it so I wouldn't know.
Bret: Moving out.
Ash: I'm done this time.
Pat: Look I know I've said it before Kirk I know it said it I know I said it I said it before but I'm serious this time I mean it.
Ash: Stark.
Bret: 3 hour Epic.
Sam: Fun thing that I didn't know is that Christopher Nolan works on most of his films with his brother Jonathan Nolan so this is written.
Ash: Yeah yeah he writes a lot of them together right.
Sam: Yeah so this was written by them and I didn't pretty awesome also.
Bret: I would be curious to know sorry to interrupt your fax but relevant to that fat I would be curious to know.
Ash: Oh it's fine it's not like anyone has you know interrupted.
Bret: How many of do they do they write and Direct on all of the film or cuz there are some Christian films that I like less than others and I wonder which ones that they were tagged in.
Matt: OHSU.
Pat: That would be super interesting.
Sam: They don't know they don't direct together but they do right together.
Ash: Yeah they just right I can say that a lot of the early ones.
Pat: Which ones were they worked on in.
Ash: Memento and following.
Bret: Cityco right on all of all three of the Batmans.
Bret: About the bad one Interstellar.
Ash: Yes I believe so he a lot of the early ones they they did together following momento the Batman's I wasn't till after the Batmans.
Sam: After Interstellar.
Pat: F*** you Brett.
Bret: He wrote Interstellar okay.
Sam: He did not right with him after Interstellar that was like his last one he did he helped write Interstellar he also Jonathan Nolan has written for Westworld which is pretty crazy.
Matt: That's awesome.
Ash: Yes that's what I was going to say is like they got to a point and then he signed on for Westworld and that's when they stopped doing as many movies with Nolan.
Bret: I really like the west-world.
Ash: Amazing.
Matt: You're wrong it's it is now it just is.
Sam: First season.
Pat: Westworld the show I can't decide if it's good or not I've watched it I can't decide I didn't I don't have I didn't say I had an opinion I just feel like every season like it's good to keep watching but I can't tell if this is good.
Pat: Kind of Amazon ass but it's entertaining.
Bret: It is it is it is both I fully agree I fully agree with that it is both.
Matt: Okay yeah that's fair that's fair.
Ash: That is fair it is trying to be like hyper-intellectual for sure.
Matt: Yes absolutely.
Pat: I mean that's no that's that's the Nolan family touch.
Matt: Hyper intellectual.
Sam: It is.
Pat: How far how far can we put this movie up its own ass.
Bret: What I think I think it's really funny that he went went to write for Westworld since like I don't know the only criticism I ever see outline of Christopher Nolan is really like you know it's a little like cold and impersonal that one about f****** robots like.
Sam: What they're robots with feelings.
Matt: I mean it's funny because in Westworld it's kind of all about the emotions and feelings so that's that's funny.
Ash: Have you even seen the show bro bro bro.
Bret: The second West Westworld Bro Club be over here.
Sam: So Christopher Nolan is kind of known for having like his tight-knit crew that he likes to work with it moving from film to film and one of those crewmembers is Wally Pfister his cinematographer who worked on everything from dark to Inception Memento The Prestige all sorts of a lot of things.
Ash: Oh yeah I forgot he did The Prestige forgot about that one.
Sam: Yeah not so much a fact about the movie but a funny story went to work for DreamWorks Wally Pfister came to talk and he couldn't find his demo reel so they asked me to edit a little Lake trailer for Wally Pfister.
Sam: And only use clips from the trailers of his films so I got all the trailers and then like tried to cut it all together he wasn't happy with it he wouldn't talk to me directly I had to email everything to his assistant who would then go to him and then would relay notes and it was like totally backwards it took me an entire week and they.
Ash: Play held me down.
Matt: Oh no.
Bret: I remember that.
Sam: Held me they paid my overtime to stay up until like 10 p. M. Today before the show you do his talk and then I got it done we tested it and then he showed up he's like oh I clean my office and I found my demo reel.
Matt: No.
Ash: Are you f****** dick you f****** dick.
Sam: Yep so.
Sam: I love Wally Pfister.
Ash: Oh you f****** you know what you know what Sam he had it the whole time she f****** had it the whole time.
Bret: Sam's work for a lot of very interesting.
Matt: Yes that that is apparent.
Ash: Yeah #assholes.
Sam: Yes and sadly he was not the worst but like he it was like just so fresh because he refused to talk to me in person and then we talked before his like talk which was cool like I've gone to talk to Wally Pfister face-to-face which is amazing but he liked gave me editorial feedback which is like oh your your Clips were just too short I wanted it longer than likely show the camera and everything and I was like.
Ash: Oh yeah you had to use a trailer.
Sam: I mean that's what I was like if you would told me that from the beginning I would have pulled the clips from the movie but instead I was told to only use the trailers.
Matt: Gross.
Sam: Sun-Times.
Ash: Cool cool cool so glad these people are the successful.
Bret: Google Google Google Hollywood.
Sam: Yes. There might be a reason why I don't want to work in Hollywood anymore who would have thought okay so now that you know that fun to bit we know our stars because they are fabulous you got Christian Bale's Batman which we totes know Heath Ledger which is.
Bret: Inventor of the heath bar.
Sam: Yes who did an amazing job and it is his final complete.
Ash: I thought he was Heathcliff is that wrong.
Pat: I'm being Good Sam there being bad.
Bret: Astalavista.
Sam: Do you know how hard it is the host when you're growing another human.
Ash: I'm sorry I don't.
Pat: You're already you're doing dual hosting Duty your housing another human.
Ash: Do you spell yes.
Matt: I had your hosting the show.
Sam: We lost Ash.
Bret: Bish went full potato.
Matt: Well at least now you can get the rest of your intro.
Pat: Go just go.
Ash: F*** you guys f*** Utah.
Sam: Yeah alright so before Ash comes back we've cut arid we've got Aaron Eckhart which we know from Thank You for Smoking Ashley stack you went you would.
Sam: Could you hear his butthole thigh rash.
Ash: Yes.
Bret: So is Aaron Eckhart is it is his big thing Thank You for Smoking cuz he was in some other stuff.
Matt: At the time it was.
Sam: He was on a couple episodes of Frasier.
Sam: For those of you that are fans.
Bret: That's like the biggest credit honestly.
Matt: Obviously.
Sam: Yeah he was also in Erin Brockovich as George which I'm not saying yeah so he's kind.
Ash: Really it's actually pretty good.
Sam: I hear that and then just I weirdly was like too young at the time that it came out but we got.
Bret: That's where that was.
Sam: That's awesome.
Ash: I shot on the set because the set that the studio that sells sorry change it to the studio that filmed Erin Brockovich was my film school before it became the film school yeah and so they had what they called the Brock house which was her house as a set in one of the sound stages and so I shot a short Zombie short film The Terrible don't watch it I'm leaving until you.
Sam: Like I said ask your favorite Michael cocaine.
Bret: Cococane.
Pat: Michael Caine.
Ash: It was Pat theft.
Matt: Michael Caine by the way in a in the in the Muppets episode which is phenomenal I to love that movie and the song They removed just throwing that out there after having listened but once I think it was it was Brett or pad who explained how to say Michael Caine by saying Michael Caine iPad.
Sam: Is Mike is Mike okay.
Ash: My cookie.
Pat: Michael Caine.
Pat: Borat.
Ash: I know it's crazy.
Matt: Michael Michael Caine I said it aloud to myself in my bedroom. I can do it like I was so excited it's just blew my mind.
Sam: It's so good it's so good.
Pat: It's a fun accent to do.
Sam: It is.
Ash: I hope I meet him someday and just call him Michael cocaine.
Pat: Michael kite you're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.
Bret: Have you seen that the clip where he says his own name.
Sam: He says his own name and his own in the accent of it's so good.
Bret: He's he's like people's people's professions of me make me sound like I'm a f****** it it like.
Pat: You're not doing it right.
Ash: Michael Michael that's how you sound.
Ash: I love him dearly.
Sam: So we've also got Maggie Gyllenhaal.
Ash: Oh right.
Matt: Amazing.
Sam: Obviously yeah what is my favorite actors Gary Oldman who is just a freaking chameleon he shocking he looks different and every movie he's so excited to see his performance again.
Ash: Come on come on come on Gary.
Sam: We've got Morgan.
Bret: He's actually Chamillionaire.
Sam: It's okay and we've also got Morgan Freeman and then a bunch of other names but those are like the tap people okay so this was a hot summer release in July of 2008 July 16th.
Sam: Play the money game.
Sam: Money.
Pat: Yeah I mean I just I do have an awesome memory itsfunneh this is one of those movies that I have a still a very very vivid memory of when I first when I saw it when it first opened not every movie exists on the theater at like a super vivid memory of so all different time of life.
Pat: Mid-twenties going out every weekend you nobody's the bars and then I saw it was one of my absolute best friends the day after a raging night there's a Sunday like matinee we went we are all hungover accepted a friend's house.
Ash: Isn't relevant to me.
Pat: Do you know who went and got you know the hangover special at greasy do you know it a greasy spoon Thai place you know like tons of greasy food eggs and potatoes and bacon and toast and hash browns and all that fun stuff and then we went and saw.
Ash: Wow.
Pat: Went food have hungover and it went solid 11 a. M. Matinee of it and was like this is awesome that movie was f****** great holy s*** just got away so.
Bret: I told the story on the show before but I don't know if I know you haven't heard it back cuz I think it was before you were on the show.
Bret: When we went first saw this we went it was shortly after we moved to Los Angeles.
Sam: We were in Laguna Beach.
Sam: Experience.
Bret: Vikings always think about it anyway but yeah we would drive up to the ArcLight in Hollywood because they had they always have props for whatever the big movie was and they had the actual purple joker suit automatic and on display in the lobby and it was really cool.
Ash: Wait did I say this with you.
Sam: Yes I was going to say that you're not going to mention the fact that like most of the podcast was together that day to see this movie for the first time it was Ash.
Bret: There but I don't know if.
Ash: Oh this is the fire thing right.
Ash: No they don't know they don't know.
Ash: Does someone set the theater on fire and ice.
Sam: Midnight showing opening night.
Bret: Cut to the f****** spoilers anyway so we start so we sit down the theater movie starts playing the movie starts playing cuz it was opening night thing that we did midnight showing and we sit down in the theater and the opening sequence goes through and it's that big bank heist and right when the criminals cut the wires to the bank.
Bret: All the lights go out.
Sam: Everything.
Ash: Everything and clean the screen everything.
Ash: Better like yes Benny or like the prayer or.
Ash: Yeah I know I moved.
Sam: Clear Lake.
Bret: Everything goes out everywhere like what what and then and then the lights come back but the movie doesn't come back and it's the emergency lights and and like there's like an alarm going off in the background and like everyone's like what like 30 seconds pass and like the movies off and it so there's an alarm going and the theater employee comes in me like it's the fire alarm we have to exit the theater and most ridiculous no one got up.
Ash: We're like yeah sure whatever.
Matt: I haven't finished watching the movie.
Bret: No Batman and where can I buy.
Ash: It's a f****** Batman I'm I've waited so long to see this and they put it spelled so immersive it felt like it was part of the movie.
Sam: I did it was it was.
Bret: Next Level Movie experience I hear they cut the lights they oh my God.
Sam: It was hilarious how perfectly it was time because it was like is wire cut like fire alarm and we're like holy s*** they went all out for this movie like you f****** they f****** like triggered the theater yes yeah.
Pat: Is like a Disneyland ride where you watch the video before you on the ride.
Bret: Yeah and it was like I mean to the frame cuz they put it back up and it started like at the next cut like it was just sat with the moment.
Sam: It was like Cosmic intervention it was ridiculous.
Bret: Of course it was just some f****** jerk in the lobby that they wouldn't let him in because it was sold out but.
Bret: Like no s***.
Ash: It wasn't just once though because like I don't know if you guys remember but they were like everyone needs to evacuate eventually they like convinced us all to get up out of our seats and leave the theater and we all get to like the lobby and they're like false alarm you can go back and we all go back and we sit down and then it happens immediately again and they're like okay everybody you had a really stuck no I'm not giving up again.
Pat: Is there an actual fire.
Ash: Like nobody was sure.
Sam: But we all got a bunch of free popcorn and soda and s*** for it so that was cool.
Matt: That's awesome that should cost like 20 bucks a piece that's that's a lot of a Leo.
Pat: Going to say it's like a $30 value.
Sam: Okay so money game do we want to play opening weekend or worldwide.
Ash: What was the budget.
Bret: Let's go let's go let's go worldwide because I feel like.
Sam: It's alright we're going to go you're going to guess give me your guesses for the budget and then for worldwide gross domestic plus International.
Bret: 2008 is the first year the first Ironman right it was a 2000.
Pat: Yes yes no no what is 4 time.
Matt: Yeah they came out the same year.
Bret: So okay I'm just trying to like get it cuz cuz Marvel changed how much money movies make so so this is this is pre every movie is a billion dollars.
Ash: However you have also have to remember that Nolan insisted on shooting on IMAX film so that was extra expensive.
Sam: Wrecked.
Pat: Are we doing budget or no just gross which worldwide.
Ash: And then gross.
Sam: Budget or guesses for budget and worldwide gross.
Pat: 113 million.
Pat: Worldwide gross 357 million.
Bret: I'm going to go I feel like I saw something way back when that maybe it's like 180 it was a big budget it was like they said they knew they were making money on this like this lyrics like let's throw money at it like 180 and then worldwide what you say I was going to say more than that.
Pat: I said 357 or something like that.
Bret: I feel like that's I mean unless somebody else was going to say like a real specific member I was going to be like somewhere somewhere in the forest lower floors or 4:30.
Pat: Okay make a real number.
Matt: Ascent 430.
Bret: 420a hahaha.
Ash: All right bro.
Sam: Matt Nash Let's Hear yogesh.
Matt: Okay I think it's hard like it's funny of all the things that I'm knowledgeable about what movies cost and how much they make is so far afield for me like unless they're Blockbusters that make like you know like five hundred million dollars like so I think I'm going to go lower and I think I'm going to say that the budget was closer to a hundred.
Bret: All right.
Matt: Goethe even hundred under the other two boys and then I think for the gross I'm going to blow it out of the water and say 5/500 yeah.
Bret: Three four and five Ash.
Ash: I'm going to say I was also going to say 100 million for the budget dresser take a different.
Ash: A hundred billion for the budget and that I want to say 380 million 380 million or what it made.
Ash: I think 400 to 500 best seeds High.
Bret: This is like a huge movie though.
Sam: You have no idea.
Bret: How wrong were we.
Matt: How wrong were right.
Ash: Really wrong right.
Sam: Oh my God okay so first of all that is almost spot-on on the budget 185 million.
Matt: Wow alright.
Sam: Guys guys that your guess is not even what it made domestic.
Matt: Wow so I'm the closest by default.
Sam: By default but get this this was at the time.
Bret: Yours is essentially the $1 bid here.
Sam: At the time the highest grossing comic book movie ever.
Pat: Inability.
Matt: Wow.
Ash: Holyshit.
Bret: Yowza.
Sam: With 1 billion dollars to worldwide yes yes.
Sam: It did a bill.
Pat: Did Bill or now we know why everything looks like this now.
Ash: This movie was one of the like highest did it get kicked off didn't it it was like highest grossing for a while isn't it.
Sam: It was highest grossing for a long time I can't remember what kicked it off.
Ash: I forgot about that I think so either something Marvel or Star Wars I feel like kicked it out.
Sam: And then also that Jurassic Park.
Matt: I feel like endgame is the Victor now I feel like endgame is the highest grossing film of all time.
Bret: Yeah there is not like.
Matt: Yeah yeah.
Pat: Yeah but their looks like a concerted campaign to get it there I like fans.
Bret: Yeah that End Game re-release ending needed a re-release to do it it doesn't count.
Matt: That's true yeah I would agree.
Sam: So.
Pat: I was curious I look up Titanic was the first movie to break a billion dollars worldwide.
Matt: Avatar I wasn't far behind.
Bret: Titanic was in theaters for like what felt like a full year.
Sam: Yeah it forever.
Matt: Yes it was a long time.
Sam: Doesn't help that that movie feels like a whole year.
Matt: Impact yes I agree.
Ash: Unlike the Titanic it sunk slowly.
Bret: I asked too soon actually know that's fine.
Sam: Okay so.
Sam: Yeah it it made a crap ton of movie.
Ash: Add movies I mean they had three.
Sam: They did not nearly as successful as this one which a lot of people a tribute to Heath Ledger and not only his incredible performance but also the kind of knowledge that it was his last full film that he completed.
Pat: I kind of want to do cuz Melissa's really interesting.
Bret: Not like the other one was his magic movie whatever that was mad as all mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium no.
Pat: Top 10 highest-grossing films of all time currently is actually there's a couple in there you might be really surprised.
Bret: The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus.
Matt: Whoa.
Bret: I see that.
Sam: So before Pat gets that list real fast the opening weekend was 158 million which is good but not like crazy number so this had fraction once people went and saw it.
Bret: I get it because because maybe I'm talking out my ass but I think the first in the third movies suck and like in retrospect like I think they were like okay at the time.
Pat: The first one.
Matt: I would disagree without a little.
Pat: The first one.
Bret: The plot was let's microwave the sewer let's microwave the sewer get out of here.
Pat: Micro the sewer microwave it and turn into the the scarecrow's gas Madness gas.
Bret: Microwave train why did it why did the microwave train have to go I have to be on a train.
Bret: Microwave a sewer.
Pat: Because comicbookmovie Brett because why the f*** is this billionaire dress up like a bat and beat up mentally ill people because it's a comic book movie.
Bret: Crossout fool.
Pat: I think begins with a decent entertaining movie and that yeah I'm totally with you I feel like it's been pretty good there a sequel who this Joker and there was so much trepidation about Ledger and I feel like his performance and word-of-mouth on his performance f****** made tons of people be like because that was why we went saw in the morning I told the story was cuz it wasn't it was like the weekend after opening weekend and we had her like you got to go f****** see this movie.
Bret: Yeah that was Evans totally a thing like like wow Heath Ledger did something like amazing in a superhero movie like but it's it's it's it's beyond what most people do in in any genre so that was totally the vibe of this release.
Ash: And he was on like it was like the peak of his career to like he was already.
Matt: Justice has he been doing good stuff but this was his big this was like his like this is going to Skyrocket his career he'd already been doing a lot of great stuff but Like A Knight's Tale and 10 Things I Hate About You or not like they were good movies but another romantic comedies they were he was one of the leading men or actually in those two he was the leading man but like they were teen comedies this was the movie that was like serious actor he's going to go places and then he passed.
Sam: I would say broke Brokeback Mountain really like Propel 10 to Oscar status.
Ash: Yeah he was already up there and it but he he was it was the beginning of the trajectory for sure.
Matt: Cracked yeah those two movies were definitely the start of that that rise.
Sam: What are the 10 top most grossing movies of all time.
Pat: Yeah cuz most of these ones I'm game to savitar 3 Titanic.
Sam: Still too is Avatar still number 2.
Matt: Yep.
Pat: 2. 7 bill.
Bret: Listen you can't make up user would not be a land in Disneyland if it didn't make f****** box.
Matt: Make that much money and that's true.
Matt: It's gorgeous it's amazing it's the ride is awesome.
Bret: Is that backing you today.
Pat: Yeah Disney World do Thomas Lee though I'm the biggest Avatar movie fan but the f****** Pandora section of Disney World Animal Kingdom's f****** great the ride the Flight of the navi ride is top two rides maybe the best ride in all Disney parks in the US it's so f****** good by the way I rode that ride to things down from the guy who plays Kevin on This Is Us.
Pat: The talk the guy who plays the actor he was with it was me and my sister-in-law Katie my wife was pregnant with our second with Grace our second daughter at the time so she couldn't she wasn't as well as he can't ride if you're pregnant and we're there it was my sister on me in the little room is like 72 room with the actor who plays him and like his wife who is on that like real estate reality show on Netflix or now ex-wife but the time wife and like their Handler.
Pat: It's up there it's it's pretty impressive.
Bret: That's rad I haven't gotten to see it yet do we ever tell you or our friend made that our friend Becky is the imaginary that was working on Pandora land.
Pat: That's amazing.
Ash: For years she was working on it.
Matt: That's amazing thing that's awesome it's really gorgeous like I was skeptical too and then my friend Brian.
Pat: Yeah and the and the blue sangria in the restaurant there is great the Great.
Pat: Yeah it's awesome.
Matt: Like everyone was just like you have to see it it doesn't matter what you think about the movies like you have to see this area and it was I was dumbfounded by it absolutely.
Pat: One of the first like fastpasses we try to get into our trips and stuff it's it's a great f****** ride so Avatar.
Bret: Disney's really stepped up to the land Building in their theme parks like I cuz the the the.
Bret: The newest thing I've seen.
Pat: Yeah because Galaxy's Edge is f****** great is like yeah.
Matt: Some of us haven't been there yet.
Bret: It's been awhile but like that first time the first thing they built that was like new was Cars Land in California adventure and like I remember walking into that being just like.
Bret: Wallace's this is different and awesome like I don't even like cars but wow and likes I can only imagine how much cooler everything else has been.
Ash: I felt the same way.
Pat: Yeah they're still in the top five of the two bills to billy club so yeah and game Avatar Titanic Force awakens Infinity War the top 5 and all those broke to Jurassic World.
Pat: Is the one that like Alex Powell really 2019.
Pat: Big f****** ear quotes live action Lion King.
Sam: What.
Pat: Did 1. 6 billion.
Bret: The Lion King is a technical achievement.
Ash: You know what though Jon Favreau is an amazing director though and I haven't seen that one yet but I kind of want to because I don't know if you've seen like you know the behind-the-scenes of the Mandalorian but they get into a little bit of like the groundbreaking new stuff that they did in the Lion King that had never been done in filmmaking before and so I don't know I think I think Jon Favreau might be one of the Ya-Ya like he might be one of the best filmmakers making films right now in my opinion.
Bret: I never want to hear Christopher Walken sing a song ever again in my life.
Ash: How does that happen oh boy.
Pat: Wait who is Christopher Walken.
Bret: He thinks he's he's the amount.
Ash: Who's Christopher Walken wow.
Pat: Is Rafiki really.
Bret: Wait wait what no he he plays.
Bret: Bet the bad one.
Matt: Scar no it's an LPS it's an LPS.
Pat: Mufasa is.
Bret: Jungle Book is what I'm thinking of sorry Jungle Book.
Matt: Lion King it's an all PSE cast in the live-action like a yeah I was going to say.
Pat: Junior Jungle Book.
Bret: I'm in the wrong page here.
Matt: I'm going to say cuz it was a big deal that The Lion King cast was all POC is except for Zazu which was John Oliver but everyone else was a person of color.
Pat: You have to run.
Ash: Talking you're talking s*** about a movie you don't even know you don't even know what you're doing.
Pat: Is diverted Ellentube.
Bret: I'm on the wrong page but my point still stay as that was horrible in that movie.
Sam: Well to be fair that the animated Lion King did f****** gangbusters so.
Matt: It's saved Disney more or less like they were on the rise but like Lion King is what locked it in.
Sam: Little Mermaid saved well yes they The Little Mermaid.
Matt: Well that's true Little Mermaid actually save them.
Pat: Yeah and they got their Oscar for the Beast and all that but yeah.
Sam: That Sherry.
Matt: Yeah it was Lion King that made them the corporate Behemoth they are now like that was like the icing on the cake felt like cemented the steam roll like yeah.
Sam: Dark.
Pat: Who would have thought the song I just can't wait to be king was about the executives and owning all media ever.
Bret: Tell me about the fire chair.
Sam: Alright keep going.
Pat: August 8th event 8th Avengers the first one nine is Furious 7 tennis Frozen 2.
Pat: I'm like a hundred bucks that Frozen to Mondays Mine by the way.
Bret: I mean I get the fury the Furious 7 cuz that was like I skipped for those movies or three of those movies.
Matt: I've only seen the first two.
Pat: I haven't seen the last like five of them I hear their me to buy hear the great either tons of fun like what like.
Bret: Most recent one.
Matt: Yeah yeah baby I hear they're insane.
Ash: No spoilers I literally just started watching them.
Ash: I literally just started.
Bret: The most recent one I think was a mess but the.
Pat: There's so many spoilers in those movies ass I haven't even seen an albino I'm talking about on cars the spoilers on cars.
Matt: Pat your fired can I be the new host that's fire.
Bret: The sponsorship.
Pat: That is gold scroll you that's gold.
Ash: It looks like Sam was about to get up and just leave.
Sam: I just left the shift cuz my hips are hurting.
Matt: Corona Corona.
Ash: Oh yes.
Pat: No Corona Corona Corona Corona.
Bret: The amount of cores I think it was god dammit Corona the corona placement in 7 was nuts.
Pat: Vin Diesel you can have any Brew you want as long as it's Corona.
Sam: All right back to the actual movie that were talking.
Bret: Sure sure sure sure.
Ash: This is tangent City.
Sam: So like I said the financial success of this movie is largely attributed to Heath Ledger's role as the Joker which he took super seriously he really really wanted to differentiate himself from Jack Nicholson's 1989 Joker.
Bret: Wow.
Sam: And he wanted to give a really like authentic performance of food he felt the Joker was so he locked himself in a motel room for 6 weeks to focus on on not only like perfecting the voice but the laugh of the Joker and who the Joker was as a person and he also perfected the makeup of the Joker because in his mind which is totally accurate like the Joker was a loner he didn't have friends like he would be doing his own makeup so instead of having makeup artist developed at he did it himself and then had to teach the makeup crew how to do it so that they could replicate it every day for filming which is crazy so.
Bret: I feel bad for the people that got the rooms next to.
Sam: How do you say I was probably like so he he faced the look of the Joker off of.
Ash: You know what that makes up one one hotel trip I had makes a lot more sense now maybe.
Sam: Yes that's why you don't want to stay in the cheapest place so we faced a lot of the mannerisms of his Joker off of Sid Vicious from The Sex Pistols yeah so and he also based of the physical movements and stuff off of Alex delarge from A Clockwork Orange which I totally can see now yeah.
Matt: Absolutely without a doubt.
Sam: Yeah Sue Heath Ledger took the role so seriously that you know the self filmed videos that the Joker takes in the movie like money.
Matt: Actually film themselves.
Sam: She actually directed and filmed them himself the first one that he did he had a little bit of supervision from Nolan but after it turned out really good Christopher Nolan was like yeah go ahead and phone the second home video on your own I trust you wholly so they actually like had a really positive director-actor working relationship and that Christopher Nolan really gave him the creative space to really own his role and honestly it's kind of like one of my philosophies of the film industry is like if you trust your creatives they're going to do the best creative for possible and it really came out in this movie.
Sam: So he that Peak Performance is from memory. That's actually from memory.
Ash: I'm sure his performance holds up I'm sure.
Sam: He's got to it's got to.
Matt: His performance is the thing I'm least worried about what this moving I think.
Ash: I have never seen him do a bad perform.
Matt: That's true even the movies that weren't great he was always very good.
Sam: So he did such a good job that posthumous Lee he 132 best supporting actor awards for this film including the Oscar the Golden Globes Critics Choice Award like.
Ash: When she didn't get to see any of it breaks my heart.
Sam: I know so.
Sam: So that's but anyway that performance so as ask him if hinted at earlier Christopher Nolan insisted on making this film and IMAX which at the time there were only for IMAX cameras in the world.
Matt: Inexistent.
Bret: Waiting really.
Ash: Yeah. They have to build rigs yeah they had to like build Rigs and s*** cuz no one had ever filmed anything like this before.
Bret: That's a brain exploding fact because stuff comes out in IMAX.
Sam: This was a new hot stuff at the time and guess what.
Matt: One of the cameras.
Sam: With one of the car crashes they destroyed one of the four cameras.
Ash: Oh no.
Sam: 250f the world's stock of IMAX cameras were destroyed on the set.
Bret: Is its own like little industry specialty only for.
Sam: Yeah that's why they were such a big deal.
Matt: Everything everything wasn't it.
Ash: Yeah but how often do new films come out for those bread they don't come-out off.
Matt: But everything wasn't an IMAX back then it was it was The Dark Knight Iron Man like that run of spectacle movies like Avatar was one of the first to start the trend but it wasn't until after that run a superhero movies that like everything was in 3D everything was an iMac there were more cameras made by then but back then like this was it these are the cameras they had and they had three because.
Matt: Yeah.
Pat: I feel like yeah I remember IMAX like before this being like all the thing you go see a nature documentary is like a science filming or something it wasn't like this.
Bret: I guess I'm just painted by like the modern like the dedicated here's the theater where you can see the IMAX version of like all the Blockbusters but.
Matt: Everything.
Matt: Probably right.
Pat: Yeah cuz my first experience with an IMAX theater was I think at one of like the Chicago Museums on a field trip and it was like a short film about space or something and it was like oh IMAX that's where you go watch like the scientist film The 20-minute scientist.
Ash: Yeah I think I've only seen IMAX besides you know this at the Hearst castle and then at OMSI in Portland.
Ash: Yeah they have an IMAX theater to.
Matt: Man remember going to the movies guys remember remember that.
Pat: Fry's.
Pat: Don't even joke.
Bret: That's rad.
Ash: Yeah right the OMSI one is super cool by the way just a nerd out because to line up to get inside the theater they have this big glass window and you can see them loading the IMAX film reels into the IMAX projector and it's so huge it's crazy they're like humongous it's really cool to see.
Matt: That's rad of love that s***.
Sam: That kind of sounds amazing actually.
Pat: So if you're a big fan of movie popcorn if your movie theaters open you can still go you can still do a mask on the run into the concession stand by popcorn and leave and bring it home I've done that for my wife she loves movie popcorn I've gone got the bed I've gotten fresh movie theater popcorn.
Matt: That's actually really sweet I like that that's really sweet.
Pat: Can you imagine what a psychopath I look like the people other people in the area I walk in like a mess up I walk in and don't buy ticket I walk past that I just walk up the stairs as I get to to your place where I walk up the stairs to the concession buy a thing of popcorn pay and just walk straight out the movie theater with a full tub of popcorn what kind of psychopath.
Sam: So another reason why this film was so expensive so the scene where the bus crashes into the bank.
Sam: That is actually a post office disguised as a bang.
Sam: And the the entire bus had to be disassembled.
Sam: And then rebuilt in the building.
Sam: Concealed behind a house wall and then propelled backwards with an air cannon.
Matt: Yeah.
Ash: And then they played it in reverse to like show it.
Ash: Oh okay gotcha.
Pat: No it because it back through a wall it backs through.
Matt: It it backed into the wall.
Sam: Yeah so they took the effects seriously.
Ash: The hospital blowing up is real too.
Matt: Yeah like 900f the movie 900f us movies like practical effects like there are few few like special effects things like I think the the the gliding solve the gliding scenes and stuff but like everything else is real explosions or real like it's crazy the amount of physical stuff they did in this movie.
Sam: It's it's insane.
Sam: I have one last parting fact that's kind of.
Sam: It's not funny it's it's ridiculous and then we can get into our predictions.
Bret: Leather daddy.
Matt: Youth leather leather daddy.
Ash: Heath leather leather daddy.
Sam: This movie had a major PR blunder nature.
Matt: Oh yes I remember this.
Sam: It's not clear who did this the movie studio does not take credit for it it's just attributed to a random website related to PR of the film send Out Cakes as if they were actually from the Joker.
Sam: Birthday cakes contained a real cell phone that vibrated inside and had wires sticking out of the cake.
Bret: No.
Matt: Yeah.
Sam: And this prompted several the buildings that receive them to go into lockdown because they looked like real bombs so.
Ash: Do you know what I love it I f****** love it oh it's so good it's so good though.
Matt: No.
Ash: I love it.
Sam: No no it's not but it's so bad and no in in the time of domestic terrorism and post 9/11 this was a bad decision and Incredibly bad and misguided job decision.
Bret: I like the dedication though I got to get where I was coming from on that one.
Pat: What oh my God.
Ash: I mean it's hilarious if you think about it from the perspective of like the Joker you know like it's it's so perfect.
Pat: Things like this.
Bret: Play me if they if they were somehow able to make it more obvious that it wasn't a bomb it would have been cute.
Pat: I don't suffer like this you hear stories every now and then about this is not the first time won't be the last right at least like Big Marketing ploys are like holy s*** and it's like.
Sam: So many approvals yeah.
Matt: I think this is a bad idea.
Pat: Listen to go through it. Probably a quite a few people it's like how to no one like in again not the first time something like this has happened not the last time we're seem so obvious where it's like.
Pat: Man it's weird when they give a group of people and sometimes just like Collective like blindness canny like Collective like just tunnel vision can occur and it's just like all of us instantly we're all were like oh my God know what they say.
Ash: Pepper me no don't get me wrong though I would not do this personally but I feel like an outsider's perspective knowing that all these people are literally running from cake is so good.
Ash: Yeah.
Bret: I'm thinking like the business end of it this was totally it like a subcontracting problem we're a real marketing firm got it and you like I don't know f****** anything about Batman Batman oh yeah I like this guy Frank is it he's done stuff for us before like let's call Frank and Avenue a Batman thing he's like oh yeah like a bum cake and one guy you know like.
Sam: No it was not it was not smart so you know no don't do that guys word of advice if you get hired to do PR for a movie tell pretend to threaten people's lives it's not but I'm pretty sure it's still illegal like that still not good decision.
Sam: Okay so let's do nothing.
Ash: What's so funny in retrospect those so funny.
Sam: No in retrospect it's so cringy it is.
Ash: God.
Matt: No still not sorry ass I just disagree.
Sam: All right.
Matt: It may have something to hide something to do with having actually lost my home to a fire last year but it's just not funny to me.
Matt: Just fine.
Sam: Since I've been talking your ear off for a whole hour prediction.
Matt: I'm happy to go first if you if y'all want.
Ash: Yeah but also I think you do the four of us have Community shared our experiences watching the cell tell us your experience first watching this film.
Ash: We were talking s*** about you guys you know.
Matt: Short I mean it all ties together actually so Ash and I were having a call about something else related to see POV and I'd mention that I want to come back on and I haven't bothered you all in a while yeah all of you it was mostly Ash I was an angel so you should fire Ash and I or me but besides that.
Ash: Well that's cuz he's in your closet Matt he's just hanging out yeah.
Matt: We were talking and I mentioned the Dark Knight being one of my favorite movies I watched it so much and I was like oh me too and then we were both like at the same time went late it's been 10 years we could do that movie and so sad suggest I say something I did and I'm glad I did because it was at the time when it came out one of my favorite movies I'm leading up to the release of that movie and to any Batman on the big screen I grew up watching Batman I like a lot of people my age group watching the Animated Series as well as the old Justice League Super Friends cartoon.
Ash: It's amazing.
Matt: The lead-up to I do remember the move this movie very well when I saw him theaters I remember Batman Begins I remember the trailers Remember Loving that movie because it was a good Batman movie but I just thought it was a good movie I like the actors I admit the plot had a lot of holes and it wasn't a great plot but I love the cast I love. I love Liam Neeson I love Michael Caine you know I love that whole cast into you know when they reveal the Joker card at the end of Batman Begins I lost it because Joker is my favorite character in DC I got so excited and then saw the trailers and we'll know I heard.
Ash: Will ask you in six weeks because yeah that's how long it took so.
Matt: Right right yeah exactly know but you know I just I became so obsessed with it because also and I said that's a lot of the time and I'm curious if Brett agrees cuz I feel like the rest of the room might but I know is is on and off with no one I felt that the reason the Dark Knight is a great movie is because if you remove the Joker and you remove Batman and you put a renegade vigilante cop and a psychopath unnamed it would still have the same plot would still be a phenomenal movie they are not required to be in this movie I think and this is like I don't know if that still holds up at the time that's what I remember thinking that this is a Great Hero clean and of course.
Matt: I fell off I just would like this was my favorite movie and it's still one of my favorites but I'd I don't think I've watched it in 10 years or maybe I guess 5 years then it's been awhile like because I just with all the newer iterations of Batman and the superheroes I want to try and watch those and enjoy them mostly to a failed attempt with a lot of the stuff that's come out on the DC side and I find myself lamenting about Nolan's Trilogy now and I haven't watched the whole trilogy again yet but I'm going to watch this movie I want to believe that the performances holdup however.
Matt: Going from White mean so much to me as I just latched onto my favorite version of my favorite character why I don't think it's going to hold up his I've lived through a fire we've lived through a coup like we've had Trump as president like I've lived through anti-Semitism out of level now in my life that I didn't thankfully have to deal with as much growing up but I'm dealing with it now like I just feel like the chaos of this movie and the Anarchy of the Joker is not going to resonate with me as like enjoyment in a way than it did I guarantee there a problematic moments with women and people of color I'm almost promising it might not be as bad as other movies that we have already accepted that it will be there if it's not I'll be genuinely surprised because his performance not going to be affected by time and what I've experienced provided that.
Bret: I feel like I mostly agree with the with all of that we we had a brief discussion before we recorded but yeah I have I have problems with not with so much with Nolan and more like you've got you covered it basically where we live in a country where half of the country are the people who just want to watch the world burn and I will never be on the side of movies or media cos x thing but I think the what what else would you call it other than like Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker is like ubermensch of the f****** like what these psychos aspire to be that we're at like currently living with and.
Bret: I have a problem separating like yeah current reality from past like media so I wonder how much that's going to affect my viewing of this film in that the portrayal of the Joker is no longer a Fantastical like Psychopaths that no one understands the the Nolan Mystery Box isn't so much of a mystery anymore because we've lived with it for a decade in the real world and I I just don't know how I'm going to feel watching this movie because I know it's going to be great deal with how real it actually ended up being.
Bret: I hate it so much.
Matt: I will say this really quick I'm going to let everyone else talk I promise I love the joker as I said before he's one of my favorite DC Villains that said I never saw Todd Phillips is garbage I have it I got a free copy somehow that will remain nameless and like I just I was going to watch it because I felt like I love this character right I need to see it and then I stopped myself I said I don't I don't have to see everything even if he's my favorite DC character like I don't have to see it from what I've heard absolutely the icon for those kinds of people those kinds of sick people who think it's okay.
Bret: For the record I also love the Joker at but good God yeah all of the greedy takes on it send it like all of it takes two cents camel have been a little off.
Matt: Yeah yeah.
Bret: Geico I just went I just talked for like 10 minutes about the.
Sam: I didn't know if that was like your succinct yeah your prediction.
Ash: You didn't say you're yeah if you think the movies going to hold up oh okay.
Ash: Do you know what we were listening to you so.
Bret: I said great performances and I'm worried that I will ultimately not enjoy this movie because of the world that it I don't want say the world that created but.
Bret: The world it presented a weird idealized version of that we actually f****** God.
Ash: I feel like so the third one is more that and I could be wrong but I feel like the third one feels more like that to me and the Joker just feels like an agent of chaos and like he doesn't really feel like he wants to like necessarily overthrow the government to me he just feels like he wants to sow chaos and he doesn't really have an agenda so much as.
Matt: Yeah they don't have.
Matt: Yeah.
Bret: Just a quick like political thought though is I think like 900f these f****** you Republican psychos better out like being racist or that I don't I think I like a lot of people wouldn't like if confronted with like yo that's racist they're like I'm just joking I'm just here to push a buttons and make people's lives horrible because it interferes in her f****** teins me and not because I'm actually racist but because I'll allow racism as long as it doesn't affect me cuz it's f****** hilarious haha other people suffering like you know like edgelords we saw them coming since the early 2000s and I like hahaha haha and they f****** blow up the country.
Ash: How did that happen I haven't checked Twitter in a while so.
Sam: What's your prediction.
Ash: I meant literally obviously I know what's been going on don't ask me.
Sam: It was a joke.
Bret: Your kids and Advil or just Lapham.
Ash: Have not actually ignorance.
Ash: So yeah I know Christopher Nolan and these films were a huge inspiration to be especially when the first one came out around 2005 I was still in high school and you know it was it was like much like Matt that man has always been my favorite superhero I wasn't really big into superheroes but Batman has always attracted me and I think it's also because I was a Hot Topic goth kid that was like yeah he's dark and brooding but also but on a serious note the thing that I always really really like about that man especially when like people compare.
Bret: I just imagined you being like really into superheroes what this a Batman.
Ash: What do you do with those pointy ears the Buddy.
Bret: The batsuit with the nipples out.
Ash: Not the nipple suit.
Sam: Nobody needs the noodle soup.
Bret: I'm so sorry to interrupt.
Ash: No it's fine I deserve it but in a serious note and this is going to break our friend cases heart I'm sure but like when people say like you know why don't you like Superman why you like Batman versus Superman and to me the thing that I really really love about that man is the fact that he's just a real guy but he doesn't have superpowers his superpowers is money and just gadgets but it it always made me feel like I could do that if I had the money and the gadgets like he felt more relatable and real to me then some alien dude who's allergic to Crystal's or whatever but Batman is just so fun and he represented this like a real person who could make a difference and do go to the world which I really enjoyed so did and then when these Hills came out it was so cool cuz you'd always see the wacky zany like Tim Burton version or and then to see it taken seriously it's it's interesting because now all the Marvel films to do that but this was like the first time we saw like a superhero man I'm sorry a superhero movie really gritty like this and it's and I will say that.
Bret: Background of find out.
Ash: At the point now where I'm so sick of it because everyone does it but at the time it was like so exciting and new and it's like oh what a cool fresh take on this and also we haven't really talked about like I was also a huge Heath Ledger fan like I loved all of his movies was really excited to see him I felt like he was perfect casting but also a Christian Bale I think Christian Bale is phenomenal and I think he's a great Batman and we haven't talked about his performance but I think his performance in this is also good and then you know my cocaine is also a treasure so.
Bret: Did you know that this Batman Trilogy is actually a quadrilogy that started with American Psycho.
Matt: God don't do that.
Matt: So much sense.
Ash: It makes sense it makes sense though oh no.
Ash: People ask me.
Sam: That movie it just traumatized me I was so mad at Brett for making me watch it it just ruined.
Matt: It's a rough movie to watch.
Ash: Yeah people ask me what the scariest because I love horror films and people ask me what the scariest movie I've ever seen is and it's that movie that movie is Scary because that could really happen.
Ash: That's real.
Sam: As a woman yeah that is.
Ash: Braces ex-girlfriends favorite movie was that movie and I was like what the f*** is wrong with this psychopath you were dating.
Sam: Run.
Matt: Nope nope.
Matt: Bad bad news.
Ash: Holy f*** that should be no woman's favorite movie no anyway.
Bret: Is it is it the Lacs dance that Wiggly does before he murders that dude.
Ash: Anyway I think that all being said I have not seen this movie.
Ash: A very long time and I am very concerned about the things that Matt brought up that will probably be problematic I am concerned that I will watch it now and be like you know.
Ash: Like I feel like there's probably problematic stuff with Maggie Gyllenhaal's character.
Matt: Well I know there is I mean like.
Matt: Did she gets ridged I mean she absolutely does but we'll get to that.
Bret: I just want to stay on record cuz case isn't here to have a conversation about it Superman would crush Batman in any fight.
Matt: That's a true cuz Batman would be prepared with Kryptonite.
Sam: Why would you why would you tear a lar outro like this bread shut the f****** get out.
Matt: We're not answering yet we got to hear from Pat to.
Ash: Go cat go.
Pat: He doesn't even come close to him get Superman can f****** turn Batman to Ash from 3 miles away and just like just like like.
Bret: Batman he's like prepare and research and Superman is a f****** reporter with superpowers that he would know.
Matt: Not having this fight.
Ash: Why do they have to fight though can't we shoot defy.
Matt: Anime kiss.
Pat: I love the movie My My Mind Is Lost I'm powering through I'm powering through I was blown away when I first saw it.
Sam: Shut the fuk up.
Bret: It's a Highlander situation.
Pat: Oh my God this is such a long episode already.
Sam: I have to pee so bad I will murder you read just priced.
Pat: I know I'm already so tired we watch a movie.
Pat: I love the movie when I was watching it or I first thought I've seen it a thousand times I couldn't tell you the last time I saw it but I probably will recite like 900f the lines just I did love it I think it will still hold up as a very good movie everything has been said yes is going to be issues with this going to be some issues and things that don't hold up it's going to be crazy to see I think going back how much we joke about it but really how much.
Pat: Has ripped off this for the last decade and just on from it.
Pat: TriMet.
Pat: I want to see if there's anything else that jumps out of it I know it's like get Heath Ledger thing is going to be great and refine talk about stuff that's like maybe doesn't hold up but I'm just I'm really curious what what are the other nuggets were going to find like where did I go I didn't remember that or it's crazy that they did that at that time so I'm really curious with the unknown what are the I feel like I'm really curious what's going to come up we don't anticipate.
Bret: I'm a come back with like redlettermedia is like 20 questions like I have questions about the fly.
Matt: Darius.
Ash: I will say we haven't even talked about the CG even though no one doesn't like CG I'm pretty sure there is some heavy CG on two faces face as well as Prosthetics and that I'm concerned about not holding up.
Bret: More like 3D faces.
Matt: Hello.
Bret: Is horrible.
Ash: Was that good was it.
Sam: So two things that really stand out in my memory of this movie one is that Heath Ledger's Joker truly gave me the experience as an audience member of.
Sam: Like watching an unpredictable character I remember being on the edge of my seat and being like I literally cannot predict what this character is going to do and it was just it was amazing because sometimes he does kind of I wouldn't say the right thing but he does things that are less bad and maybe he's not that crazy and then other times he just does it inexplicably horrific things and I think.
Sam: The scene that really like stands out in my memory is like holyshit this guy it cannot be trusted is when he is on the pile of money and he just likes it on fire like that is such a beautiful character moment of like really doesn't care like his motivation isn't money it isn't like and when you don't know a character's motivation it creates this unpredictable chaotic 4th and I think that's what this film got so incredibly right the other thing that stands out and it's a very common thing for Nolan films is his ability to leave space for the score.
Sam: We saw this with Inception we see this with the prestige and it's I really like that you know he's not afraid to have a scene that's driven by the cinematography and by the score and I think it creates these really beautiful films that are balanced between dialogue and Visually pleasing and stunning moments so I'm excited to see how well those hold up in this movie cuz I like you said you watch this movie at 10 that year and art school this the soundtrack to this movie is like what everyone Drew to for like a whole year so.
Bret: All right.
Matt: Yeah I forgot to measure before really quick before we jump and I forgot to mention before that no one is one of the first directors where I started recognizing this is a director I know his style and I like it that you're right like they were the first two directors that I really went oh I know what their movies look like I understand what it means for them to be directors I like what they do and some cherries to see if that's still a very apparent to me cuz I haven't seen tenet I haven't watched to Nolan movie in a while so I'm curious if that's still kind of pressure in my brain.
Bret: Yeah I think I think mostly for probably for the reason Sam mentioned that the soundtrack is Big with the with the Nolan stuff so I think that'll probably be the most apparent even even outside of visual Style.
Bret: A couple of scenes that I can think of from different movies so I guess those were actually nobody was talking in those that was music and Vonage.
Bret: Really that's fun.
Matt: Cool.
Ash: I'm really excited to cuz I don't think I've told you guys but we ended up getting so do surround sound speakers and let me tell you all it's f****** Brad like you can hear like a car like like watching The Fast and the Furious like you hear these cars like zoompass you behind you and stuff like that so I'm very excited I think it will be a very theater like experience for me.
Bret: Right on all right we're going to pause the show and go watch The Dark Knight and we will see you when we get back.
Pat: Raw movie.
Sam: As beautiful as beautiful.
Pat: That's what I was going to do.
Matt: Lalalalala.
Ash: Batman I mean Batman.
Sam: Definitely our finest work.
Ash: Thanks.
Matt: Yeah let's see remix that mr. Wizard.
Pat: No I'm fine I'm good.
Sam: You seem pretty tired if you have a heart out time so we can try to keep to that beforehand.
Pat: I am good I am just.
Ash: Because we don't actually care about your feelings.
Sam: That's true.
Matt: Mimi and pattern in the same time zone I think are we both East Coast.
Ash: Matte but but Pat has children.
Matt: I have a life I have a life.
Sam: Living alarm clocks that wake him up at like 6 in the morning.
Ash: No no no you don't understand yeah.
Matt: Fair enough.
Pat: I have I live I'll drink a pot of coffee tomorrow.
Matt: I have a job that wakes me up at 6 in the morning so.
Ash: Well I'm sorry.
Matt: No I I can roll out of bed at like 8.
Sam: I figured you had a job but not like not the 6 a. M. Fart like cheese.
Ash: Are you employed.
Bret: Jesus.
Ash: Especially in covid-19.
Sam: That's not what I meant by that statement I meant the 6 a. M. I don't know anybody that has to be to work by 6 a. M. So that was beat.
Matt: No I mean if I were going into the city Maybe.
Sam: Yeah exactly.
Bret: Like Batman.
Pat: I appreciate that though I'm good I'm ready to rock and or possibly roll.
Bret: Roll into bed.
Ash: I'm just going to come out the gate and say that movie is too long I'm sorry it's just too.
Ash: Yes.
Matt: You felt it when did you felt its length you were sitting in the movie going. I'm bored this is too long really I disagree out of the gate I wholeheartedly disagree I saw the time and was like that's too long and then watching it I was completely wrapped.
Pat: Snooze 20 minutes that could be.
Ash: I am very very yeah I like.
Bret: That's the movie.
Ash: I'm I'm just also like very you got 2 hours that's movie I'm sorry it's to our anything over 2 hours is too long in my opinion and I'm very much like anytime I watch a movie it doesn't even the Marvel movies like I love them but like to f*** is long.
Matt: What 20 minutes would you take out I couldn't even think.
Pat: Little bit tear their butt.
Ash: But I'm not saying that I'm not saying you can edit you know like maybe you could tighten it up a little bit was a little slow pace.
Sam: She would speed the whole film up by like. 5o that it's all just a little bit faster.
Pat: Everyone's voice goes up an octave.
Ash: You are joking Sam but I literally considered I was like I wish I could play this faster I did have that thought while watching this film.
Pat: Why though there is even a little bit.
Matt: Right.
Ash: I'm not but I agree with you Matt though with your Counterpoint of like I'm not saying like story-wise that there's anything that you could cut out I'm just saying.
Matt: It was too long for your human existence.
Ash: It's long.
Ash: Oh yeah.
Bret: In fact I think we need another hour to explain Harvey Dance very quick descent into madness cuz he got really evil real quick.
Ash: Real quick this is true.
Matt: Bright sounding like a chipmunk.
Pat: I'm still fixing him telling one of his scar origin stories but like cranked up the speed and like his voice a little higher.
Ash: Do I have his wife friend.
Ash: Oh yeah yeah.
Matt: I will say something one of my favorite things are going back to a movie like 12 years later is noticing the bit parts of actors who are not working like there's one of the Thugs who brings the Joker to the black Mobsters one of the Young Thug's is actually a regular on Star Trek Discovery he plays character named Booker and I recognized him immediately I just I saw his face.
Matt: Cillian Murphy.
Ash: Same with like the guy who plays scarecrow like I totally forgot that he was in this movie and I yeah I love that guy he's so amazing and I'm not saying that he was like a nobody before this fell but he's definitely taken off since this film.
Matt: Oh yeah that was like around the time that he was starting to get some lead stuff to isn't he in 28 Days Later also wasn't that him.
Matt: I think that was him.
Ash: Yes I think so maybe wasn't it definitely looks like him.
Matt: I mean I never it was a zombie horror movie so I never saw it I just remember seeing him in the ads I thought.
Ash: What you've never seen 28 Days Later.
Matt: Nope don't do scary movies.
Ash: What.
Bret: Shocking a well can I shock but it.
Pat: Or I forgot about.
Sam: Play I'm Not The Only One alone.
Matt: With the exception of some recent stuff I don't do scary movies you're not alone Sam.
Ash: But it's the best.
Sam: No it's torture why do people torture themselves with films like that.
Pat: I'm in that weird Middle Ground.
Ash: Cuz I love it.
Bret: It is it is one of the only good ones go ahead sorry Pat.
Pat: Scary movie the man that weird Middle Ground where it's like I don't watch them by myself I don't go out of my way to watch them but but.
Ash: Oh it's so much fun in a group yeah.
Pat: In a group I'm off for watching this and it's one of the things I don't know so I wouldn't call myself like cuz they're people who aren't they like a horror fans they love movies to see most of them they like them and I don't know what to call myself a horror fan but the act of seeing.
Bret: Yeah you never know what you're going to get.
Pat: Scary movie in a group I do enjoy that very much that whole like group commodity like hey where to do is f*** this thing together and I'm going to be a big big big scary Pat yeah.
Ash: Scary boobies are like a box of chocolates you never know what you're going to do.
Bret: I like the guy who is going to.
Ash: Do you basically though described.
Ash: Mine and Brett's High School is we were just get a bunch of us together and watch scary movies and it was great.
Sam: Was to a scary movie.
Bret: It wasn't a scary movie though.
Sam: It has.
Ash: We've heard at Sam.
Sam: Tracks that check.
Matt: Like this story is come up before though the sounds familiar I feel like exactly on a podcast I've been on I feel like the the the Evil Dead episode we did the Army Darkness one I feel like that story got told.
Sam: It's just you it's the or you give us.
Matt: What's the aura I bring out the horror I mean I agree Pat like I paid to play hard video games but I stream Dead Space 1 and 2 last year because it was fun with an audience watching me play especially folks who knew the game or watching me playing like saying hey watch out as I'm getting jumpscared and losing it.
Matt: Oh yeah by myself never.
Ash: You are not going to like last of us to then it is very scary.
Matt: Oh no it's a different kind of scary it's more stressful and suspense.
Ash: Yeah you're playing it.
Pat: Yeah I'm away bigger sissy with scary video games then you're in it you're like the person in the video game and that I'm a much bigger sissy than movies I can watch free scary movies and even.
Pat: Scared about the first BioShock.
Matt: Okay yeah you're.
Ash: The first BioShock is very scary though.
Matt: Spicer's.
Pat: Those whatever those things people are that it would yeah they're terrifying man.
Ash: It is very lucid I started playing it recently and I never played it before and I'm me so of course I have like the lights off and everything and I was like a bit spooky freaked out.
Matt: So how about that Batman.
Sam: The Batman.
Matt: Your favorite line.
Ash: How about that Batman can I tell you all my favorite line from this film was when Morgan Freeman's like he want to be able to turn your head like such a yes everyone does Morgan's thanks.
Bret: The movie started and Sam was like I'm having a hard time looking at him in the Batman costume and not just seeing George Clooney.
Sam: Yeah that first scene I was like.
Matt: Yeah we have because it's it's the one giant piece the Cowell.
Sam: Yeah yeah.
Ash: No it's so funny yeah.
Matt: I forgot that this movie had some legitimately funny lines especially between between Michael Caine and Christian Bale but also Christian Bale and Morgan Freeman like genuinely like silly goofy lines.
Ash: Or even like the scenes with Ito Heath Ledger and the Batman like there's just like these like Corky quippy lines that like on keford probably didn't read us funny but the way that they're like performed like when he sits down next to Harvey Dent in the hospital and he's like high is so hilarious.
Matt: It's such a good mom.
Ash: Yeah yes.
Matt: I can't even say it he just mouths.
Ash: He's like oh that's a lie.
Ash: Michael Caine.
Pat: Yes the love that that deliver that one stands out to me that deliver the high cuz it's all in the delivery and then also Heath Ledger when he's in interrogation room after he got beat up by Batman and the cop ain't and he's like how many of your friends they kill and he says he has little Spiel the cop he goes and you killed six of my friends and his delivery is just like.
Ash: Alright yeah.
Pat: Play Michael Caine's Inception Christian Bale's knob basically.
Bret: I have a hard time believing that Michael Caine at doesn't have good rapport with anyone.
Matt: Yeah that's true.
Ash: Oh yeah.
Pat: With anybody with a.
Ash: Probably the sweetest.
Matt: That's true but he even has good rapport with Mike Myers in the Austin Powers movie.
Matt: And probably the best part of that movie so.
Pat: I love those movies due on the show.
Ash: I would love to do that.
Matt: I don't know I feel like that I like.
Pat: I feel like they would they got some if I have some dirt and stuff says.
Bret: There's at least one very problematic.
Matt: They definitely a problematic stuff but I don't know Patrick Williams did a video essay on them and said that there was a lot of stuff that did hold up from a filmmaking perspective.
Pat: Oh yeah.
Ash: Yeah I feel like because I actually will this is like a whole can of worms but I had not seen it some likes it when it came out I remember my mom renting it and we put it in and washing for five minutes my mom was like oh no and she like took it out and my mom's like super religious and so she was like absolutely not I don't know what she was thinking when she rented the movie anyway so I hadn't seen it until like maybe like five or six years ago and I was just like this is unbelievably funny this is so great and I feel like it really I mean that was like five or six years ago but like it really held up well in my opinion.
Bret: Yeah we have.
Ash: Five or six years ago I don't know about now.
Bret: We stopped pretty recently too and it was at least 80.
Ash: I have to say though I.
Ash: Especially.
Ash: I just.
Ash: I did I didn't want to say the words.
Ash: Brett was right but.
Ash: I left this movie being like Oh no I see your point.
Sam: Did you did you drink the haterade.
Bret: Come on come on.
Ash: I'm not hating on it but I definitely see like I definitely see the comparison and like justito.
Bret: I hope I didn't color it for you previewing.
Ash: It's not you it's like the current climate for living in and then like as the movie finished rice turns to me and he's like oh wow the FBI just issued warnings that this weekend extreme right-wing activists are planning to attack every capital of every state.
Sam: Let's let's make an addendum to that headline right-wing terrorist.
Bret: Please and thank you.
Matt: Yes by Wing terrorist.
Ash: Sure yes yeah absolutely please thank you.
Sam: Not not your fault it's the media but just for us I would like to make that.
Pat: F****** what they are.
Bret: A whole rant last night about that we just can we just please call them terrorists for the love of God.
Ash: No do you're 100.
Bret: So on that note.
Matt: Yeah I mean no bread please.
Bret: I just wanted to talk about some of the very interesting things that happened in this movie.
Sam: Are you going to ruin this or that we can't say anything positive after this cuz maybe.
Pat: He's going to read it up is what he's going to do.
Bret: Okay.
Ash: I know should I have not brought it up this early I'm sorry if also.
Ash: Brace yourselves.
Sam: Be real weird real weird if you're like this movie this movie is.
Pat: He's going to open a big can of Brett or Hugo.
Ash: Brace yourselves for the bad review here we come here Here Comes those one star.
Bret: I'm going to start with I'm going to start with the easy one which is did you guys know that the Giants by machine is it is a thing.
Matt: Yeah that exists that Tech actually exist.
Bret: But it's existed since then also it wasn't even futuristic and but the but the wild wild thing is is that it doesn't do what it does in the movie it's just for advertising because of f****** course it is.
Matt: Yeah it does not actually it's pies for advertising it doesn't spy to know where you are or follow you or anything.
Ash: I remember when.
Bret: The high-frequency sonar of letting advertisers know exactly what you're watching and talking about it all time so they can advertise to you.
Ash: I remember back in the day where that when the LG TV saying came out.
Bret: You got to learn these acronyms Ash.
Ash: What are you talking about.
Ash: LG the company.
Ash: F*** you you a******.
Sam: Brett LG TV the television not lgbtq.
Pat: The television did you think.
Bret: Oh my God I thought you were trying to say lgbtq remember corner.
Ash: You f****** dick wad you f****** go sit in the corner U-Pick lot open this for you I open the can of worms for you and you came at me and you came at me bro.
Sam: She had your back we were we were all ready to s*** on you and ask saved your ass.
Ash: UF forget it.
Ash: You f******.
Bret: Download can we talk about the TV.
Sam: And she's backing up your boys Cheese's Brett.
Bret: I'm in a different frame space.
Ash: You know what you know what you have been just like Twitter I'm putting you on pause you have you have focal too many times today.
Bret: Account suspended.
Bret: Delete that tweet please.
Sam: Television just say television please.
Pat: LG television.
Ash: Remember when the television thing came out and they were like or no actually was it LG or was it Samsung anyway one of them they're like careful what you say around your TV cuz it's listening to you and I was just like I f****** told you all that they're listening to us cuz everybody thought I was crazy and I remember being like I noticed that I would I would just be around friends and they would mention something and then I would start getting ads for it and I was like I've never searched this thing ever I'm not interested in this.
Sam: You're not crazy people that say that their devices are listening and are not crazy it is fact because I know through channels that I can't say about wood platform that it is a thing that a person who I'm connected to programmed so.
Ash: So interesting because I have also worked with someone.
Matt: While I used to I used to work for Mozilla it's a thing trust me.
Bret: Yeah IDM.
Sam: Absolutely hands down.
Ash: Yeah I work for a guy who helped make what is it Watson the the intelligence the AI that does it and he was like oh yeah they're definitely listening to you for marketing reasons and I was like oh cool.
Matt: Yeah I don't think people are crazy for bringing that up I've just given up all hope I'm doing anything about it it's like I have a phone you have a phone like I can't control your phone even if I can control mine so.
Bret: Okay.
Sam: Just when you start f****** with the the ads and you just start like listing name brands like this is going to cost you you bastards.
Bret: I've done that and I regret it a lot because I follow that bought the worst things for sale and I click on the ads for the things that are the worst things for sale in Amazon thinks I want to buy a butt stuff and my recommendations are f***** up.
Sam: But but that is how you were LED.
Sam: No no trust me.
Ash: You think your recommendations are f***** up I have two friends that are pregnant all I get is f****** wedding rings and baby s*** now.
Bret: Yeah but do you get advertised the Sham bong and Tactical Bacon cuz that's what I get.
Ash: That sounds so awesome.
Sam: Yes yes I've don't forget the sex toys.
Matt: I mean those are those are okay if you ask me I don't got no complaints.
Pat: You know what so there's.
Ash: Yeah I mean the sounds way better than baby shift.
Matt: Right exactly.
Pat: A joke about like you want to f*** with your algorithm that keep them on their toes I'm like you know what know they're going to spy on me anyway we all have our computers in their phones and are Alexis and our Google home spying on us and like you know what I carry amalga rhythms cuz you know what they're going to spy on me anyway why not make my life a little crush. Easier so I I nurture my algorithms I tend to them like bonsai trees and I'm very protective of them because you know what I'm going to.
Ash: Why yes I would like this Mandalorian t-shirt thank you.
Pat: Look if you want.
Matt: Depending on how well Brett edits this it'll either be great or a nightmare for the people who are actually here to hear about Batman I'm just saying just throwing that out there.
Ash: My fault I opened the can of worms and said the words thread was right.
Sam: It's not the Kenilworth.
Sam: Yeah.
Pat: Listen if you want super nuanced targeted breakdowns of film go listen to blank check okay.
Ash: Stop directing people to be other podcast that does the show.
Bret: Our last.
Matt: My check is your show.
Bret: Jackpot.
Sam: Noah the last episode Ash.
Ash: Sorry no there's a podcast called.
Pat: No no I meant the podcast blank check with Griffin and David yeah.
Bret: Fire chair pat.
Ash: Yeah there's a podcast called blank check guys that's what he's talking about.
Sam: Basket call Pat the f*** no don't.
Bret: How do you know what path talking about.
Ash: You all need to f****** trust me more man you all coming at me you coming at me.
Ash: Because he talks about it on every episode he brings up there podcast.
Pat: No I mentioned it like twice I mentioned it like twice.
Bret: Cryptic writing blank check Pat.
Pat: Pikachu.
Pat: Credit where credit's due.
Pat: I did not say that this is ours is way more fun.
Sam: Apparently better than ours what are you listeners doing here Pat says leave and go listen to a better show.
Ash: Of course.
Matt: Exactly he wants to be a guest.
Bret: This is like this is like how Pat is a constantly promoting stok cold brew on on our stream because he wants to get sponsored he's secretly wants to get on blank check you just like I'm going to just keep saying it until they notice me notice me senpai.
Ash: Did for joining call it was very sweet of love.
Pat: I mean hey they said it's like a dozen coupons for free bottles of stoke for the forecast for the joining call film cuz I finally how did them enough.
Sam: That's awesome.
Ash: I feel like Sam's been trying to make a point for the past like 5 minutes.
Bret: You had a good one.
Sam: I don't know if I have a point anymore I do have a lot of point.
Sam: Okay.
Bret: I've got a really good way to edit it blew my mind I was like.
Sam: Are we sure we want to go there first.
Bret: Go there first.
Ash: We've already open the Brett can of worms how could it be worse.
Sam: Oh boy.
Matt: Well I mean I I will put it up front so we can come back to it that I still love this movie and I'll explain why it has its problems but but I still love this movie but.
Sam: Messages.
Ash: No no no not at all.
Bret: Yeah I don't think this is leading towards a place where we all hated the movie but there are things to discuss.
Sam: So so did you guys notice that the Joker only kills black people on screen and minorities.
Matt: Besides the Ville.
Sam: Besides the Clowns eposides the clowns in the beginning.
Bret: After the opening sequence after the opening sequence he only kills black people on screen.
Matt: And the prison scene where he blows up the other guy.
Bret: But he didn't kill him.
Pat: We don't really know.
Sam: But directly on screen he calls.
Matt: Tabitha Stalin screen that's right.
Bret: Joker superpower is that he's a racist.
Pat: What are the guy in the video in the meatlocker is white.
Pat: It's like soup.
Matt: Yeah but you don't see him kill him we're saying the ones used to visually see him kill like do harm to.
Matt: Problem.
Sam: Yeah.
Matt: It's true.
Bret: This is this is probably a terrible podcast but the visual everyone looks so deeply disappointed that Sam brought this up.
Sam: I was going to save it for later.
Pat: Joker's Jokers a proud boy.
Bret: She is literally like like it's the proud boys are around you've been like a proud boy like that would have been his thing in this movie.
Pat: The Boogaloo with the Boogaloo boys.
Sam: Yeah that's.
Ash: She definitely would have recruited them I mean that's for sure.
Ash: Yeah that's true.
Matt: I will say though that we don't actually see him kill anyone like we don't see the violent act they cut away from it most of the times like you see the body drop or you see like the whoever Buckle over but you don't see him cutting flesh you don't see him stat like an actual inserting the noise into people which I think is just generally.
Bret: Did disappear the pencil.
Matt: He did disappear the pencil but you don't see the insertion its Offspring just below you just seem come back up but but but yeah I didn't at your I never noticed that but you're absolutely right Sam everyone that we see the violent act actually play out on screen is too personal color.
Bret: And that is and also except for the one who did who was in the lock what was that thing where you talking about.
Sam: The cell phone guy stomach cell phone guy.
Pat: The the the wannabe vigilante the Batman copycat he has them in the meat locker and he makes a video of him like kind of f****** with him and.
Matt: Can we see the body hanging.
Pat: Music screams used eyeglasses grams is he's the one who was like hanging outside the mayor's office.
Sam: So there's one non black guy good job.
Ash: Will do you don't see it on screen though.
Sam: Is true.
Matt: You don't see that violence you used to this do you see that yeah.
Bret: That was not an on-screen as Oscar.
Sam: But still.
Pat: And he people the phone and he put the phone in the guy do you want to see that.
Matt: We don't see him blow up the Cutaway to a giant explosion.
Ash: I mean do you count him exploding people cuz that definitely happened.
Ash: The cell phone scene.
Matt: We still don't see who explodes in that scene like we can infer based on who is in the cell yeah they cut away the bigger explosion.
Sam: I meant more.
Ash: You can see the people in the big explosion.
Bret: That's true but he doesn't but he's not like their like.
Sam: I meant like if they're like physically killing.
Ash: Right physically okay.
Matt: Mutilating or threatening.
Bret: Just an observation.
Matt: I mean I will say to pick.
Matt: I will pay you back on that by saying wall I still love Heath Ledger's performance the whole scene with Maggie Gyllenhaal in the party when he's touching her and like moving her hair and putting the blame your mouth like it made all of it made me uncomfortable in a way.
Matt: Which is kind of the point and I get but like it's just that's definitely something when I was younger and I was excited about Batman I didn't think about where's now I'm just like oh my God there is no consent in this moment this is terrible it's gross it's horrible which is obvious.
Matt: Yeah absolutely.
Sam: Every Woman watching that scene skin crawls cuz we've all had at least a watered-down version of that experience of like you are too close to me without my permission and I uncomfortable.
Sam: But.
Bret: Oh no.
Pat: Jesus what the f***.
Sam: I have to it's.
Ash: I have had co-workers kiss me on the face and I was like cool not not okay with this yeah at at work social events where I was like no no thank you.
Matt: Terrible.
Sam: Do you want to know how you stop that.
Pat: But wasn't that little scene.
Sam: You turn your head and you make them accidentally kiss your ear it will never happen again.
Sam: Nope there's no getting it oh yeah.
Matt: No there is no understanding it it's not okay.
Ash: Well they didn't one of was like the top of my head which was weird and then one was like the cheek and like I get it it's like you know the European like whatever but I'm not comfortable with it thanks.
Matt: I kiss I kiss.
Bret: West Coast is as far from Europe as possible.
Matt: Eye to eye kiss to people on the head my nephew's and niece's so that group of humans and my spouse I don't kiss anyone else on the head that's inappropriate and not acceptable and even then I asked if I can kiss my nephew or niece or niblings like I don't just show up and do it like.
Bret: That was a real creepy scene.
Pat: I mean those who sings Yeah and they're meant to be super creeping off-putting and they are obviously I mean sharpening near mouth is a very end I don't like but it was funny and it was still off-putting and creepy.
Sam: It felt wrong to me.
Ash: Oh I kind of did to ya.
Pat: The scene with gamble though in his pool hall when a lot quicker than I remember I feel like I remember that like for the first time I'm watching it that scene just attention and Lasting so long and me being terrified that guy they going to show him do it cut his mouth and stuff and it was actually really quick the scene but I remember thinking it was much longer like remembering as much longer which credit to the filmmaking which I am making me because it's so tense in your like.
Matt: I mean I would give Sam credit there for that because what Sam said earlier about the music before we watched like every seeing that stent has that low since hum and they dragged that's in time before they bring in percussion to make like the on the punctuated moment like the cut to literally cut the tension in like that's in flying happens at least three or four times or more in the movie and everytime it conveys the same thing and the score builds or breaks down based on it which I I've noticed before but I paid even closer attention to this time.
Bret: Lets you know exactly what's coming.
Ash: I was really confused by that scene though Pat that you mentioned because he has the knife in the guy's mouth and then we cut to a reversal from the guy's body. Like we just see his back and we're assuming that he slices his cheek open and then the guy falls down as if he's dead but that would not kill you.
Matt: We don't know what he did to his face get a plunge the knife into the back of his head he could have like we don't we don't see the actual action we see him fall so he could have done anything with a knife inside his head.
Matt: It's possible.
Ash: Right so okay I just assumed that baby he slit his throat instead or something because I was like cutting his cheek open wouldn't kill him.
Pat: Iggy I don't like it.
Bret: You got another one cuz I don't make don't make me don't make me keep going.
Sam: Yes that scene was super tense and I haven't seen this movie multiple times sat through that scene with my eyes covered and like curled up in the fetal position cuz it was so I will say well directed like he had a clear motive for what motion he wanted his audience to feel and he executed that perfectly.
Pat: The whole corners of the mouth thing stuff is so on some reason it's a huge thing I'm just I mean there's another movie where they were almost going to do that to someone it's Elijah Wood movie actually called Green Street Hooligans and.
Pat: It's a good movie.
Ash: Fuller's Pan's Labyrinth which in my opinion did it even more creepy.
Bret: Oh yeah I remember that one.
Matt: Oh yeah yeah yeah.
Pat: Yeah that whole thing wasn't new.
Pat: Chucky.
Sam: I need an edited version of that movie that the G-rated Pan's Labyrinth cuz I do love it but it is a traumatizing film.
Pat: With only the Fantastical stuff.
Matt: The chicken movie about it's so hard to watch.
Sam: I know we're going to talk about it but I'll just come out of the gate Heath Ledger's performance still is f****** top-notch guys like.
Sam: And it's the subtle things that like.
Sam: Unless you're looking for them if you don't notice them but you feel them like in the beginning of the Joker's talking with people and they're like in that weird kitchen bobster meeting at Hillside this crazy guy and like he just he has this moment of like.
Sam: I'm not crazy like holy s*** like you feel that like you don't need to beat people over the head with like he's had a bad past he's been called names like he's been called crazy like in the delivery of that line you know his past you know what he's sensitive about.
Sam: I like how it's it's it's.
Bret: I'm getting called crazy is like seems to be a violent trigger for him throughout the movie it happens a few times and he always does something real 300 awful right after that.
Ash: They don't really talk about it in this movie but his backstory is he was he was locked up for being crazy he was in Gotham's what's it called.
Pat: I defended the innovation of the Joker there are lots of different backstories and.
Matt: And the thing is is Nolan said with this the reason that he tells one story to the mobsters and another story to Rachel is because that way the audience doesn't know which is true they could both be true for all we know the ideas he didn't want this Joker to have a clear past like the comic book 1.
Pat: Multiple different iterations of his backstory depending on Legacy did the movie or the comic of the film of the show or the iteration.
Pat: Take the quote-unquote type of volcanic away is like is the chemical that and he was like a passy for the mob and it's but my head or Dark Knight is he does reveal his in this is not my theory it's it's been well batted around on forums and subreddits and what not but might it just really hit home for me and like the timing in the air of it just feels so perfect that I'm like yet it just makes me feel like it makes so much sense.
Pat: He does say he does let slip what his real origin is when he's in the hospital with Harvey.
Pat: And he says a truckload of soldiers gets blown up and no one freaked out and it's quarter like I totally am I hit my head Canon he is a like Iraq Afghanistan war veteran who was like.
Pat: Why he knows demo is why he's those like tactics and like maybe was an intelligence he knows about interrogation.
Matt: Next thing I never thought about that.
Ash: Because he also doesn't.
Bret: That's why he doesn't immediately get his ass kicked in a fist fight with Batman.
Pat: Yeah and he's holding his.
Ash: Yeah and he also says to Batman he's like what it what should I do just go back to ripping off mob members and like we just saw him starting to do that so it seems like he didn't have much of a history in Gotham before he got there recently kind of thing like it feels.
Pat: I totally see him as he was guessing over for this meaningless War got blown up like an ID lost people got stuck disfigured in we treat our veterans horribly like we do not take care of them when they come back like too often and.
Ash: He talks about fairness like he does seem to care about fairness and he seems to believe that chaos is fair and so it seems like he's trying to spread the chaos that maybe he saw during war.
Ash: And bring it here it's interesting.
Sam: That I wanted to propose a question to everyone which is.
Sam: What do you guys think the Joker wants.
Ash: Oh I I know what I think he wants.
Sam: An answer to.
Ash: I am okay I I mean I think he wants to spread chaos but more specifically I think he very directly wants to.
Ash: Batman I think he sees Batman as a challenge and he is because this whole movie he's like talking about like it's it's all the provoke Batman and he only shows up when Batman's there you know like he didn't like he says in the movie like a year ago you guys were totally fine doing your thing and now Batman shows up and you have problems I think he sees Batman as like this ultimate Challenge and he just wants to go with Batman and manipulate him into something evil and make that man do something evil and that's why I went Batman kicks him off that building and he is falling he is laughing because that's exactly what he wants he wants Batman to commit murder.
Sam: Interesting.
Ash: And he wants to be the one that Batman kills but then Batman grabs him and pulled him up he's like you just couldn't let me go could you you can't be turned can you he says or something to that effect so I and then he's like why would I want to kill you Batman because you're my perfect Nemesis you complete me.
Sam: That's that's.
Matt: See I have a.
Sam: Piggybacking on ashes that's what I think he wants not so specific in yours is like it has to be Batman I think he wants to not be alone he wants a partner and Chaos yeah so he's he's an agent of chaos he knows what he's going to do but he's not getting an external Factor so he can predict what everyone is going to do life is really boring for him so he wants to turn somebody into a an agent of chaos to be kind of counter to him which is why he tries to turn Harvey Dent and why do you so excited about that.
Pat: When is element of that and he and general wants to topple authority figures moral Authority and then it would be like these are already figured in these roles in government or local state federal like we're the good guys were the good guys but they're like f***** him over f****** people maybe people he cared about over so he just that's whole agent chaos things they do their order it's really like what they call order it's like they're on top and they're making the rules and everyone's puppets dance like f*** that s*** I'm going to pull the rug out from under you.
Pat: I think he wants to.
Pat: Magic cast in general specifically he wants to topple authority figures and people that are held up whether through their own day they're doing it for themselves or other people are holding them up is like.
Pat: Shining examples of like good people and he's like f*** you no one's that good but.
Ash: No no no.
Ash: Yeah.
Matt: I'm actually kind of in-between everybody because like I think that's right but I think it's mostly that he wants everyone and even playing field like when he's being interrogated like don't be like them you're not like them you're like me where all this level but also like I'm inferring because as I said I'm a big joke so I've read his very sore doesn't hate that man at all Joker loves Batman Joker wants to be with Batman I don't know necessarily romantically but for sure like as a friend.
Matt: Like because in at least an animated series that's how it was always play Jokers like he calls them bats he thinks he's his friend he's just playing with him it's twisted but he's playing a game because he wants an agent of chaos to work on them like Sam said like I think it it's it's a it's a rivalry in the way you said Ash but I think less and it's a rivalry Lakefront competitive friendly rivalry.
Matt: Having a good time.
Ash: Oh I didn't mean it was yeah I didn't mean it as a Ryle I meant it exactly like what you're saying that's that's how I see it and that's why I said that's why he's laughing like he's enjoying it that's why he's laughing as he's falling to his potential death is like yeah I don't think he hates the the oh you made it I'm so Overjoyed or whatever he says like I totally believe that for sure.
Matt: I think that his performance I agree with Sam is is top-notch it's not it's it's at the performances Untouchable some of the things he does make me more comfortable now as an adult than they did when I was a little younger but like the hospital scene will always be my favorite scene because both him and Aaron are on display in Aaron Eckhart doesn't even have to stay that much it's his physical movements in the hospital seeing but like the high like that moment pulls me every time my favorite line is as well as like Gordon's Humanity throughout the whole film also like Gary Oldman is unimpeachably one of the best actors alive and in this movie he taking he's taking a character like him but he plays it so well.
Pat: That's a great sign out as far as a duration of Gordon is anyone else here watch the HBO Max Harley Quinn animated show it's so good go watch it it's so good it's like are rated as anyways so so good.
Pat: Highly recommend but the way they're taken Gordon's just very amusing.
Matt: Alkyl of check that out I haven't seen it yet.
Sam: Yeah I noticed that.
Matt: Honest Chester.
Ash: I have to say though the the hospital seeing a detail that I noticed this time that I hadn't noticed before is he the Joker's wearing the nurse's outfit but he also has an I believe in Harvey Dent sticker on which is so great.
Ash: Yeah.
Sam: I mean cuz he wants to turn them I mean and he does he does in that moment or he did. He's the one that.
Sam: Is either going to turn Rachel or turn.
Matt: Turn seems to faze also those special effects held up the special effects held up his face looked awesome and disgusting the whole time like Harvey Dent's it's just.
Pat: Is anyone disappointed that he he died.
Pat: Would you like to have seen him carry over to the third movie.
Ash: 2face yeah.
Pat: What was he.
Matt: Back then yes I think yeah I would have wanted to see more of him but also the 3rd movie is completely different from what they had written originally cuz it was a it was supposed to be Joker and Harley Quinn and then Ledger passed so they moved to something else.
Pat: Right but I kind of wish cuz I have this this like cuz the way they were setting him up as this this iteration of two-faced.
Pat: I heard there's really interesting where.
Pat: You could spend the key in my head is a theoretical third movie where he doesn't die in this and he isn't like a straight-up criminal but he's kind of like.
Pat: In the Batman cranked up to 11 and that but he is murdering and he's doing his coin flip or anyone he feels like deserves it.
Pat: Is like you know Pokemon leave it up to fate you like you deserve you probably deserve death.
Pat: Other criminals or bad people Obama flip a coin but he's doing right so roughly 500f the time he's killing people you know like maybe he kills maybe that's opening of my Batman through my Nolan 3 is he kill scarecrow he shoots Scarecrow in the head like.
Pat: And then Batman's like he's busy a serial killer he's a mass murderer and then you have this whole thing is like honestly how are we really any different.
Pat: But you're killing them it's like is it really a difference.
Pat: Hold me like it's real.
Ash: I bet they regretted it right I bet they regretted it after he's passed and they're like well s***.
Ash: Gucci kicks those people off of building.
Pat: The whole thing of Batman's at the exitosa that kills like you definitely have ruin people's lives like the sum of these injuries you're you're Doling out to people like breaking backs and stuff like that like you've definitely yeah you definitely left some people paralyzed for life like you've definitely killed people with like brain hemorrhages.
Ash: Yeah.
Matt: Yeah I mean I will say Harvey Dent corruption didn't seem too fast to me but I did wish we got more of it I like to Aaron eckhart's portrayal of the character I thought he did a great job is both Dent & Two-Face I will say though the thing to bring it back to where I think Brad is coming from a little bit and engaging in some of the stuff because it's okay but like everything with cops in this movie like we created this narrative that not all cops are bad in this movie like it's just a couple of Bad Eggs cops are good and it's such a load of crap that Hollywood's fetes for Ed ages and like of course you're seeing that play out in real life now with the actual police in like you to see them this movie every time it came up about you know they're bad cops and the commissioner not listening or that had the lieutenant at the time like felt so gross cuz it's so real it's absolute exactly what's happening.
Bret: And the thing is is that in this movie all cops were bad they're fake they played it up like they were good cops but either they were working for the mob or the Joker or they you know witnessed a murder and then did a cover-up and pinned it on the wrong guy which is how the movie ended like that's just that was the whole moral pin of the movie.
Pat: Is Isis going to be tomorrow.
Ash: Or even the one that's guarding the Joker and he like he just because the Joker yeah he just decides he's going to beat him up and I was like well that's not okay.
Pat: And again it reminds me goes back to for a long long time.
Pat: It's definitely something we've been fed and indoctrinated.
Matt: Nope.
Pat: Have you ever seen an internal affairs officer portrayed as a protagonist is of sympathetic person that you should like in Media.
Matt: Always like.
Pat: Are always the bad guys there was like you're in the way of us getting Justice you're in the way of you know.
Pat: They're pretty important job they're doing it maybe they could or should be doing even better but you know it's out have some kind of oversight.
Pat: It's it's one of those things where it's like that's definitely kind of like an indoctrination thing like a propaganda thing cuz you always see.
Pat: I am Internal Affairs officers as like they're always support Uncle villainous roles.
Ash: Wait what was the internal affairs sorry I'm not.
Pat: Used to Bia Harvey that used to be in Internal Affairs officer before it became a lawyer.
Matt: That's why he says would you used to call me to face.
Pat: That's how we know so much about like that's come you're working with and I've investigated other people as cookie used.
Matt: He was investigating them before he became the district eternity.
Pat: Harvey Dent was a police officer he was Internal Affairs before it became a lawyer got his law degree in wooden to the DA route.
Ash: Okay okay.
Matt: Yeah it is it's weird. But like on the other hand I feel like the movie does do some interesting.
Matt: Things like first of all seeing the Staten Island Ferry in the wide shots I've I've remembered the oh yeah they shot some of it in Staten Island in New York that ferry that you're seeing at least on the outside or know about the inside is the Staten Island Ferry but the scene with the people on the boat and like.
Matt: I thought it was really kind of actually brilliant how like they had the big large convict that actor whose name I can't remember who always plays like the big.
Pat: Tiny he passed away he just passed away recently.
Matt: Did he he's always been like you played like the henchmen or like this again big Burly dudes across all movies but like to have him like whisper like melodically like sinisterly almost like give it to me you should understand minutes and then tosses it away it's like.
Matt: It's just such a powerful seeing I like even though in like though they showed the white privilege in the white entitlement of the older white man is a to do it f*** these guys criminals in our hearts blow up and then like also had second thoughts I don't know that I believe that would happen I feel like the privileged white guy would just blow them to hell up but believe that for someone else.
Pat: U. S. Election locations I forgot how much it was like in a ton of the show that is Chicago and I'd like your boys like I recognize a lot of those streets and I was like it supposed to be on the chase scene with the big city like with the truck and everything and then go down on Lower Wacker I mean what's in real-world Lower Wacker Drive in that with the like that's going to go below and stuff but I'd like damn I forgot how much is like.
Ash: Yeah I totally know.
Sam: Why do I got your back.
Ash: It's incredible.
Ash: Yes yes.
Matt: I feel like that scene is Incorruptible the whole Chase like truck scene like that whole thing like that's just good Batman like the the Isle of the the brief.
Pat: I want you to do it.
Matt: Like the whole moment is very Batman Joker like from the comics classic and I just thought that seeing as it as it stands as one of my favorites in the movie action likes it just played that very much like a comic book it feels very much like a comic book.
Ash: I want to.
Bret: I am curious how he got the Batmobile to jump though.
Bret: Previously unannounced ability of the Batmobile.
Ash: Yeah he hit a car yeah.
Matt: You right I think he hit a car it didn't hit a car or something I don't know.
Bret: Will he turn the Jets on and left over a car he didn't actually hit that one.
Pat: Thrusters or whatever Lucius Fox can do anything.
Matt: Hey it's true.
Ash: A f****** motorcycle shot out of it like it was being birthed.
Ash: But I.
Sam: Is that how you think things are birds I hope you're right.
Bret: The rocket speed.
Matt: Fly Right Out Sam don't worry about it you good.
Bret: Guns-blazing.
Sam: Excellent.
Ash: Yeah yeah it's a quick process that pushes on your belly and it shoots right out.
Ash: But you mentioned you know something Matt that I mean not to take the dark path again but you mentioned like I don't know that I believe that the privileged white man wouldn't blow up the other boat and I feel like in 2008 when this movie was made I was like I believed it and now and 2021 I don't and there's a really good quote in this film that I was just like damn that is f****** relevant but I think it was Harvey Dent who says you thought we could be decent men in an indecent time and I just feel like that so encapsulates 20/20 where it's like you thought people could be decent and just wear a f****** mask but no.
Sam: The one part that is super believable about that part that boat is that yeah that's the bad white man that wants to kill the boat full of people is not going to be stopped by any other white person on that boat.
Ash: That's true nobody did try to stop him.
Sam: People nobody tried to stop him Mikey up accurate.
Ash: Po300 whatever of them said yes so the mass majority was on board literally.
Bret: Yeah I do have a hard time believing that 300 people said yes and not one of them like just give it to a kid or something.
Sam: Oh my God.
Ash: Hot Breads oh my god wow.
Pat: Take me to Second for the tooth.
Matt: The floors.
Pat: Toddler.
Ash: Literally cuz the boat would have said.
Bret: Pat you know you can you can toss that thing your kid be like I turn the key.
Sam: Oh my God.
Ash: Oh my god oh I thought they had to pull the key out.
Pat: I mean yeah you can totally.
Matt: Was unclear how the mechanism work – it's fine.
Ash: So your future child Sam.
Sam: So back to the boat scene one thing I really liked about the directorial decision with it is it's a really fun spin on kind of your traditional filmmaking ticking clock.
Sam: So like we do have the.
Ash: But literally was the ticking clock.
Sam: Yeah it literally was the ticking clock but like if you traditionally it's like the bomb does go off at the end like butt.
Bret: The clock is the MacGuffin.
Sam: But I like that it wasn't the end of the movie so I liked it is generally the end of it but that's not what finishes the story and I really like how they played that ticking clock on the boat with kind of the ticking clock and Batman and the police in the building cuz that man is like trying to save all these hostages that are disguised as the clouds and so I really like that the boat kind of attention to the informal taking clock of Batman trying to save these hostages before the cops shoot without asking accurate.
Matt: I like like I think.
Matt: For all the movies problems I think I still enjoyed it from seeing to seeing as a full plot I enjoy the movie but I definitely had many moments where I'm just like this is an okay this seems not to have aged well like also the person who the bomb living bomb was a fat guy cuz why not there's more room like it. Just seems very calculated also like literally anyone else could have been the bomb but it's the.
Ash: Also how dumb are those cops how do you not put that together through like weird there's like stitching on them huh is that a phone like are you f****** stupid get away from him he's a boss.
Sam: I thought it was the paramedics.
Sam: That were there or cost.
Pat: I mean he's in a cell.
Ash: We're Cops too but like he was like literally telling them that he was a bomb and they were not listening like as a viewer I put it together 20 minutes before they.
Ash: He pretty much said that.
Bret: Sorry.
Pat: Well that's that's the other that's the next movie that boys press That's the next movie.
Ash: I have a question for you guys though about the boat scene because I have a theory also I had a weird memory of one of them exploding which may be made me concoct this Theory but my theory is they actually did have their own detonators and they would have blown them own selves up.
Matt: Yeah definitely yeah I agree.
Pat: But back to the the bomb in the guy thing a thing to is.
Pat: What's so funny is go back and watch movies.
Ash: That's true yeah.
Pat: Do they have movies in this world because the tropes we would rather like right and it's like a lot of movies they apparently don't have movies or TV shows in that world because they're not they would totally.
Ash: Play zombie movies they've they've never seen a zombie movie before.
Bret: I don't have movies in this world they don't have music Bruce Wayne's party had no music.
Ash: I noticed that.
Sam: Oh yeah real fast.
Pat: Which the movies.
Matt: What's that about as a DJ at hurt me.
Pat: The movie very entertaining I did catch a few things I'm like.
Pat: Body I'm like I don't know why that had that had to happen I don't.
Pat: Like the thing with the like.
Pat: Is cover stories like absconds Russian ballet it's like you could have gone on vacation I don't know why they had to be a whole big thing.
Bret: I think they talked about.
Pat: Easy patty tiu.
Ash: Because he wanted her to not go on the date with Harvey Dent he was sabotaging their date oh yeah.
Matt: Yeah he wanted to screw her he wanted to screw her over absolutely and sound.
Bret: Bruce Wayne is the petty Queen.
Pat: Take me to Alfred did it cuz he said he did the plan.
Matt: Oh I have a I have a question for everyone actually.
Matt: From a directing perspective since there's a few folks who dabble in that area in the theatrical release of this movie Upside Down the whole time the whole time he's upside down in every version since after he passed and after he won awards they slowly flip the scene so he's upright saying his final lines in the movie.
Matt: How do you feel about that that they spun him around like that so it looks like he's up right.
Ash: I love it for Ivy and I will say I did not know that that is not with the theatrical release was I was watching the film and I was like this is the first.
Ash: Creative use of a camera move in this movie and I know that that's sounds like a really like loaded thing but like really if you watch the rest of this movie the camera angles and use of coverage and everything is pretty standard filmmaking there's nothing crazy like One-Shots or Dutch angles or super motivated camera moves that are revealing an emotion about a character in a scene it's pretty cookie cutter Hollywood filmmaking but the moment where we turn the camera so that they are on the same plane of looks face to me felt so story and character motivated because it's this moment where the Joker is telling the Batman that we are the same and that why would I ever want to kill you you know like you you are I want to do it he says you are my forever or something or like I would to do this with you forever and it felt so motivated to me and I was like wow that was awesome I love that and it also adds to his craziness because he looks like he's flying with his like cope draping behind him I thought it was brilliant.
Bret: It's sold the the point they were trying to make in that scene really well because it was you know I can't I can't talk about things without it sounding like I'm being mean about them so just listen but you know it's the right at the writers room of like you know if the Joker's hanging upside down but he's the one who seeing clearly and we flip the world and suddenly The Joker Is the one that's the right side up for it with to the audience and it works for that.
Matt: I always just thought it really interesting and I could be mistaken maybe it was that way even in theatrical release but I don't remember too strongly until I saw it on DVD and so I feel like it was something that changed later with they might not have the internet will correct me.
Matt: Like it wasn't meant to be that way yeah.
Ash: I mean you might be right because I did notice that it felt a little wonky almost like it had a little bit of a warped stabilization effects like it was done in post and it wasn't it wasn't done in camera.
Bret: Like somebody drew in the extra parts of the screen that weren't there so they could do the full turn.
Ash: Well like I don't know if you guys have ever seem like a shot that has bad warp stabilization on it but like you could totally tell and for people who don't know what warp stabilization is is it's this wonderful feature where if you have really shaky footage awesome feature that you can throw on there and it will both in Premiere and after effects it will stabilize the shot and it uses like a i and stuff to like even process the details of the background and you have different ways you do you can have it settle you can have it extreme but if it's done.
Ash: Poorly that you can often see the background especially on the edges of the frame sort of warp in a weird way that it wouldn't naturally do and I feel like I saw that a little bit but I'm also not sure because if you think about the fact that these were IMAX cameras on some rigs that they literally had to build for the film so I don't know you know it could have just been the rig wasn't super stable for that sort of movement because those cameras are huge I don't know but I'm saying it could possibly be a weird posting cuz I did see something weird around the edges but I'm kind of a pixel peeper like that.
Bret: Yeah at the places people would have noticed it before is if you ever watched any one's vertical cell phone video online that's when I like the newer cell phones and s*** looks all weird and wobbly that's what it is.
Bret: Sounds do it automatically now.
Bret: So is there a I mean I don't like nitpicking about like continuity usually because you know whatever continuity doesn't matter except there is one that I noticed real big that it affects the plot in a major way which is in the scene with the bomb the body bomb.
Bret: The Joker is holding a man.
Bret: By the neck with with the sharp to his neck in a room with eight people in it and then the bomb goes off and we cut back to the room and the Joker stands alone.
Bret: Completely alone in this room in a separate room that is just had the windows blown out but like presumably there was still a people in but that was like our shot of like look he's alone now he got away and I was like I don't think it got away.
Sam: I thought they died from the explosion.
Bret: You would have died.
Sam: Is using a little meat Shield.
Pat: Use the cop he is yet yes.
Pat: Use his house is capital bear the brunt of the Shockwave of the explosion.
Bret: I'm just saying go back at go back and watch that scene and you'll be like.
Sam: Also I just I kind of like the idea that he's a little Rasputin like you know like he's in all these situations that should have killed him he's an explosion he walks away.
Bret: Russia's Greatest Love Machine.
Matt: I appreciate that reference.
Sam: He's in a big rig that flipped over and he literally just it's his f****** mission in life to interrupt a serious thought of mine with some f****** b******* joke he knows I f****** love it thanks Brett.
Pat: What's that might get that and that by that too cuz they'll so it's kind of juxtaposed with Bruce Wayne he's also gets is getting beat up or let me see like his likes cars and stuff earlier in its.
Ash: He hits he triggers the explosives while he's still in the building.
Matt: Wiki it's it's clear he doesn't care if he lives or dies like the hope his whole mission is to.
Pat: He wants to die but he doesn't want to just like himself he wants to he he wants he would love to make Batman kill him or he would you know.
Pat: Yes.
Matt: He wants a glorious death essentially that kind of nonsense.
Sam: I don't know I don't know his motive is not to die as motive is to live in that moment of uncertainty and that's the only time he can he can get that as like I'm the only time I'm uncertain the only time I cannot predict what's going to happen is in the moments when my life is in danger like.
Sam: Exciting to have.
Bret: I have another theory.
Pat: I dig that a lot.
Ash: It's like the people who get off by being choked during sex.
Sam: No.
Pat: Baby.
Sam: That's different.
Ash: You're welcome.
Sam: A lot of reasons.
Bret: I have a theory that's that's designed specifically to upset Samantha.
Ash: Is it though but they're living in that moment of uncertainty.
Sam: But that's not.
Bret: So what if the Joker is actually a master of Buddhist philosophy.
Ash: See the sex thing was funnier.
Sam: You have no idea what Buddhism is just.
Bret: And that he truly has no desires other than to Enlighten others and the entire plot of the movie is that the Joker goes around asking others to drop their facades and reveal their true in ourselves Harvey Dent's angry and herself the convincing people to do the things that you know it's.
Pat: I'm pretty sure you're not harming living things is pretty high up there and Buddhist tenants so but.
Bret: He has no he has no desires no desires.
Bret: I don't know about that.
Sam: He's fully he is fully succumb to his desires he is the antithesis of Buddhism and he only acts on the whim of his desires and thinks of no consequences hundred percent.
Pat: Yeah I was going to say you shouldn't.
Ash: You just offended a lot of Buddhist people and I just defended a lot of sex people that are into kinky stuff.
Matt: What's not your other people's yam.
Bret: I don't know maybe all the sex people were like no she's got it.
Bret: Text people let us know find us on Twitter at let's rewatch.
Pat: You know what you can at your.
Sam: I'm not going to explain do you want me to explain the Kink it's the lack of oxygen that makes the orgasm better allegedly not that I've tried but it's not the uncertainty of knowing that you might die during sex.
Bret: What's the what's the optimum f****** blood O2 level for ultimate orgasm please let us know medical professionals.
Ash: Okay I brought this up but you know what I'm done.
Matt: If you dial your back.
Sam: Yeah regretsy okay so let's do final thoughts I feel like we spun around the circle insulted Buddhism and we've gotten into sex games it's definitely time for final thoughts.
Pat: Breton Celtic Buddhism.
Matt: Great episode guys for doing great.
Sam: Breton.
Ash: I think of or just hitting the pizza.
Pat: Yeah no until the Buddhism asked you and me did not do those bad things Sam.
Bret: Buddhist find us on Twitter and Enlighten us at let's re-watch.
Sam: I can let it go what are your f****** final thoughts.
Ash: No enlighten brat because he clearly doesn't know anything about Buddhism all right.
Pat: I fell that's so my final.
Ash: Before before we move on to the finals odds okay nevermind go for it.
Pat: No go ahead go ahead ask.
Ash: Well I was just going to say in defense of what Matt has been saying this whole time.
Ash: Besides a train wrecking this movie review is I mean overall it's a good movie I mean the score the the visuals I'm trying to find good things to say the acting I feel like maybe if I hadn't seen the film before it wouldn't have felt so long but because I had seen it before it felt long.
Pat: When we can go down this road for a little bit if you want to because I was going to talk about my final thoughts but like.
Pat: The effects this film had on other movies that followed it.
Sam: Yes.
Pat: Basically feeling a lot of filmmakers took the wrong lessons from this movie as far as like.
Matt: Like a certain Zack Snyder.
Pat: I'm not you said it not me but like yeah like the the washed-out pallet which like works for this and it's very specific instance but like just making everything just like visually not like content dark just visually dark is just liked it doesn't work for everything.
Ash: So there's not a lot of colors right it's gray black green and blue and that's pretty much it.
Pat: It kind of works for this I'm saying but then like people there are a lot of people especially on different DC properties that they try to do they just try to keep doing it over and over again.
Pat: Over a long run times did Joker is stuff like Jared Leto Joker The Joker Joaquin Phoenix Joker.
Pat: Like don't like.
Pat: Like I would do or sedan in Joker that they went the opposite way where they made him like more polished is it was like all right we did like the Uber creepy Joker ain't never going to do it better than it done like the whole psychotic unhinged it done Ledger nailed it right leg stop trying to do that and one of that cuz you just look like a sociopath in real life like the other two iterations we've seen.
Pat: Go like the other way with it may be more polished put together and maybe a more cartoonish version of it.
Pat: But yeah it is funny how many but I feel like the wrong lessons a lot of filmmakers took from this film it should turn duplicated success like that no don't don't do that.
Ash: Yeah I like your point about the color palette because that was something while watching this film I was just like cash there's really it could almost be a black-and-white film like there's really not a lot of color going on and this is my personal preference I really enjoy colored filmed and I feel like.
Ash: You know why they chose a muted palette I was still trying to Rack my brain and be like we'll are there like motivated colors for characters and like that really you know like you had I feel like there was the opportunity with.
Ash: The Rachel character.
Ash: To maybe have some significance with color with her but I mean maybe there was but she was wearing such a dark green dress but it just sort of it all all the colors mute into each other and nothing really stands out and the other is fine that's definitely the Nolan style but.
Ash: I feel like it's a missed opportunity for some more storytelling.
Bret: What is what is gaming call it had a little bit of the next gen filter.
Matt: Oh yeah everything's all brown and gray and blue.
Pat: Giraffe.
Bret: Does asthma say about about hats comment on that is like yeah it wasn't just filmmakers that took that but over do a lot of TV and I won't go on a rant about it but I've talked about it a lot on the podcast before about the post Nolan media and it's just the endless stream for a decade of dark gritty everything sucks like the life out of you media and I'm glad we're finally getting away from it because this was the start of it and like because of how much I didn't like it and actually colored my memories of this movie which actually turned out to be a lot better than I was remembering it.
Matt: Yeah I mean.
Bret: But it's like this started a thing I didn't like.
Matt: Oh yeah it was at that time to that like a lot of Shooters did the same thing you were making that joke also Pratt like Gears of War was a great game and Gears of War made a great series but because of Gears of War being gray and brown and like in a ruined City every shooter after it also did the same thing like Halo was pretty bright and colorful especially on the planet's surface is but like a lot of other Shooters after that even Call of Duty's got grey and gritty and it's like.
Ash: In Fallout can be kind of gritty in.
Pat: I love Borderlands.
Matt: Why Borderlands was such a revelation when it came out to Borderlands was like cel-shaded bright colors like.
Matt: You know cartoon exactly and I think Nolan indirectly had a similar fact or even directly in the movie sphere I completely agree like I name-dropped Zack Snyder before but absolutely what he did in 300 worked and then what he did after 300 didn't work because it was the same thing every time like it was not it was not Innovative and no-one perpetuated that for sure.
Pat: Asset drab and not just the matches the colors Just A vibe just a drab Vibe does gloomy and just.
Matt: Everything super serious.
Ash: And how cool would it have been.
Ash: You know if everything is drab except for the Joker what if he's got really poppy colors and he stands I know like I feel like there was a storytelling opportunity with the colors and it wasn't really executed but we are talking about a guy whose first film literally was a black and white film so maybe colors not his big.
Ash: Alright everyone shut up and Sam is going to give her final thoughts and don't you f****** interruption.
Matt: Set the big mouth on my.
Sam: Oh God it's just it makes my heart stop a little bit just seen that out of the corner of my eye at Brett is holding a giant thought at the tip of his tongue to interrupt me at any second.
Ash: Is wiggling the tongue.
Bret: Speed.
Sam: My brain does not want to speak my heart is like don't speak it's not going to be heard.
Ash: Don't speak I know just what you're thinking.
Matt: Sorry we all going to no doubt we are all around the same age it's it's very funny and very sad.
Sam: This movie it did feel like you totally right. Like what would you cut I don't I honestly don't know I really like how the story flows and how there's like different sections in different problems I think that really helps move it along I really like the directorial decisions for this film there was a scene in the beginning with the clowns you know and he's like standing or the mobster guys are standing on the corner and he has the mask down we like zoom in and then like really well motivated can't move down and then the bus comes in on the bus like it's really good or really well with the visuals.
Sam: Acting is phenomenal just on everyone's part there's no bad actor in this movie and everyone brought their A-game yeah some things are dated I honestly it's almost alarming when there's a movie that doesn't show how much we've grown as Society so it's like it's kind of like.
Sam: Bypass sure is problematic but also.
Sam: I don't think those decisions would be made today which is a little reassuring.
Sam: And yeah I just enjoyed it it was super fun to watch again and I'm glad we did it.
Sam: Could speak now.
Pat: Just listen.
Sam: Was that really hard was that like the most self-restraint you've had all day.
Ash: Good job Brett good job.
Bret: I feel like this is a you just like to dunk on me here.
Sam: I give him such a hard time of the Five Guys.
Ash: You are going to go back and you're going to edit this and you're going to hear.
Bret: Listen I had it every episode and I am an angel.
Pat: At least after you edit you sound like.
Ash: Are you doing air quotes around the word angel.
Pat: I mean overall enjoyed it hates and that positive he'll drink.
Matt: It is catchphrase.
Ash: Yeah.
Pat: Ledgers great honestly I like Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne Batman and he does a good job of like he's got these two personas right he's got his Batman Persona voice that we talked about in the first half but then he's got like taken Bruce Wayne is like he's playing the part this mug smarmy.
Pat: Billionaire privilege Playboy guy who knows his socialite and he definitely knew put a spin on that in general thing all the acting is great in the movie I think pretty much everyone does a good job acting really good job acting.
Pat: Also recovered the only other things that really for me though I caught this time I'm like I don't know if those hold up to scrutiny or two little slot areas in one is the little mini detective.
Ash: Oh my God yes thank you.
Ash: Ridiculous.
Pat: Sing in the middle bit where it's like we go to this apartment with two dead people and they have Harvey and debt and those workers are bought whole I'm going to pull a boat out and I'm going to duplicate that and I'm going to get the I'm going to recreate the fingerprint and Department of the fingerprint I'm going to go there and just in time for the timer to be pins like.
Matt: CSX.
Matt: Seattle Deus Ex.
Pat: That feels like a wretch of logic to me. Like how was you ever.
Bret: It's so intensely Batman but it's dumb as hell.
Pat: Yeah then like I'm going to recreate the good gunshot and then use that to recreate the grooves of the it feels yeah and the other one honestly on my choice and I know it might be a little long why would you talk about adding something but it was weird for me of.
Pat: Rachel and Harvey you're fine and then off screen their kidnapped and put in warehouses full of like gasoline and explosives.
Pat: The fact that happens like off-screen is weird and feels kind of jarring.
Bret: TRUE.
Pat: I felt like cuz he just survived and he just survived an attempt and he gets safely to the intellisense like they did make it home.
Bret: Well I guess that Harvey's kidnapping was at least explain later that he never that you wasn't safe going on with the person he was walking away with but yeah Rachel's getting kidnapped off screen was kind of a bummer.
Sam: I mean I think it was set up.
Pat: Oh yeah.
Ash: No it was she was being put in a cop car we see we see it we just don't know that they're there bad cops at the time.
Matt: When are they going to get them.
Sam: Yeah it's it's set up by the name tag right because the Joker's leaving a clue for who his next victim is so I think that decision was made to kind of build the suspense of like when is it going to happen I think that yeah.
Bret: So Sky High.
Bret: I just let start off with saying Skyhook if a plane came by traveling at even atalo when a speed it's still going like a hundred and twenty at least and it is there.
Pat: Is rep is fine I was body.
Bret: The real real quick way to turn Batman into 2f Batman's.
Bret: Just putting that out there I had a whole bunch of stuff to talk about I think we felt I feel like we're covered most of it.
Bret: I've been in I've been on Twitter too much lately and my brain isn't such a weird political space that's the that's kind of my takeaways from this movie is the the lessons that they tried to teach us were all Incorrect and poorly thought-out and.
Bret: It was very noticeable watching it like when you really try to get to the the core of like what point are they trying to make with this sequence and what point are they trying to make with the movie as a whole and like the.
Bret: Trust the cops implicitly even though there's bad ones and likely know I've made a joke earlier but like really the end of the movie is.
Bret: The cops are going to stand together and cover-up that one of them went on a killing spree and blame you know the the Batman for it instead and that played off as like a hero moment.
Ash: The mayor who's like how long can we cover the Sun.
Bret: How long can we cover this up the whole I mean again and also it also a joke about that the Buddhist thing but but but the actual reality of that the Joker was trying to get people to show their true selves and that like.
Bret: I don't know if it's just the whole vibe of everything that was in the movie where you know yeah they're they're playing you know it's a plausible deniability of having the villain beat be the one that saying the thing that the writer actually thinks is true but like you know isn't true obviously because the villain was saying it and he's misguided but like nuggets of Truth and what the Joker was talking about you know that kind of stuff the whole vibe of this every message that they put out with like the worst that aside but action was choice I loved the chase scenes that the truck flip is still amazing like.
Bret: Just so cool.
Pat: I actually did it.
Pat: Make a really did that.
Matt: Flip the truck yeah.
Bret: Yeah with a giant pneumatic piston that just launched the truck into the air I saw that behind the scenes amazing but yeah.
Ash: At least you're realizing it now.
Bret: I'm conflicted on my overall enjoyment level because it's a good movie with stuff in it that's bad and outcomes and like a real weird picture of society that ended up coming true within the next 10 years and like I don't know it even started off with the pressing stuff like you know that even laughing me I always got to bring up the pressing stuff but like the Aurora thing with the with the with the guy dressed as the Joker doing the evil stuff and.
Bret: I could go on and on I had a whole I had a whole thing you know that the beginning of the movie of the press conference where they announced that Harvey Dent is Batman there's the one cop in the back no more Dead Cops and it's just like all right listen five years after you made this movie a guy went out and kill the judge or a judge's daughter or something in LA and you know what happened there wasn't a cop corn all of the cops in La went on a Manhunt and tortured to do in the cabin for 3 days and burned it down like that's what what happened to Joker's but if he does any of that stuff there's no rest of this movie in the real world but yeah this is there is no.
Ash: Well he's white so you know.
Bret: Best true that's true when it happened in La I don't I don't think that dude was white but you know what it was a good movie on iMovie I recall this being the shining star in the middle of a Trilogy I didn't particularly enjoy I remember being like hype after the first one and the first one had kind of like the Prometheus effect where is like the longer I think about this movie The more I don't like it this one I never really had that about where it was just like this was good and I have nothing bad to say and then the third one you know the third one.
Ash: You have nothing bad to say about this one.
Bret: No I mean I feel like but I feel like the stuff that's bad to say about this movie is about the world in general that exists that we live in and not so much about the movie and that's that's why it's hard for me to deal with this stuff but the movie itself was pretty good like we thought it was going to be good at is like at ride and a cool movie review.
Matt: I need to make sense like but like Batman is the corrupt cops are all over Batman since the comics the problem is now we're living it so it's less comic book E I mean I get that bread up and represent.
Bret: Yeah real.
Sam: Here's the sad reality we're not now living it it's always been that way it's just.
Matt: We are noticing it now you're right yes correct is coming to light now.
Bret: Strong.
Ash: Yeah that's ya you've totally hit the nail on the head Sam like it's it's not you know it's just come to a head but.
Pat: Coleman Reese.
Matt: Oh yes and Reese.
Bret: Strong insurrectionist vibes from the I can't remember the name of the guy that the Joker called to have murdered on live TV and then and then you know and it's just like yeah TV guy says we should kill this guy so mob let's go like.
Bret: We asked them three times like Beetlejuice.
Ash: I just saw an article where I like the Washington Post interviewed one of the Trump terrorist people and he was like well yeah Trump pass for soldiers and so we showed up and I asked God's three times if this is what I should do and I didn't hear a no and I'm like really you didn't hear I yes though did you.
Sam: The definition of consent is that the absence of a no is not consent.
Ash: Yeah exactly.
Ash: I don't understand that now.
Matt: Correct but these guys don't know that bit either so.
Ash: Matt Hugo.
Matt: You sure you can go.
Ash: Okay if you insist.
Matt: Yeah you go I'll follow I'll round it up.
Bret: I'm here to depress everyone.
Ash: Well I will set all of that stuff Brett set aside and because I mean.
Ash: Here's the thing is like I totally agree likes watching this movie now in this time and place much like Boondock Saints it feels very different you know it's it's feels very different it's not quite as extreme for me as Boondock Saints but I do kind of see where you're coming from and I will say definitely net-positive totally enjoyed the film I will say it did feel long to me but I am going to defend why it felt long while also defending the film for be long and that's because I believe it's actually a four-act movie and it's not a three-act movie like most movies are and I did a little research while Brett was going on his rant because you know like the Rachel dies Harvey's in the hospital psaume could have ended there but it keeps going and the film The Script is actually 167 pages long when an average film script is about 95 to 125 pages long and on average Acts or around 30 pages or more and so if you say you know 167 - the 90 or a hundred and twenty that's about another act and so I think this film really is a 4 act structure which is why it can feel long because that's not what we're used to seeing on you know if any movies were used to seeing three acts but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's wrong laser often five Acts or TV shows can even be six acts so it's interesting I just thought that was an interesting point to bring up his ice I sort of did my own self analysis of why did it feel along to me as that long because it could have meant ended 20 to 30 minutes but story-wise it still makes sense to continue on to another fourth act I don't know if anyone cares about that the film the film nerd and make aired.
Bret: That brings brings back a thought I had from when this movie came out which was like that whole Harvey Dent thing not that I didn't feel tacked-on it felt more like truncated like there is enough meat in the Harvey Dent evil story that it could have had its own movie.
Ash: Yeah totally but but yeah I thought overall it was really good.
Ash: I enjoyed it I definitely it's feels like a a time. I think.
Ash: I think my major problem is just that Christopher Nolan keeps making the same movie and I'm kind of tired of it I guess and it doesn't mean that this movies bad I'm just tired of seeing this kind of why I haven't seen his past like 2 or so films is cuz they just have started to feel like the same movie over and over again.
Ash: Which I mean I personally love Christopher Nolan in like you said in the beginning Matt he also I also he was one of the directors that I was like oh wow I really recognize the style and I love his style and I think this is really awesome and I think it was really groundbreaking but I wish he would sort of push himself and do something different and refreshing and new.
Ash: Whatever.
Bret: Yeah I like man went band shows up in interstellar like it was a weird mom.
Ash: I enjoyed it.
Ash: And I want Batman shows up in Dunkirk and he's like Kirk I've done.
Matt: Call back everybody loves call back.
Matt: Pat's going to murder us.
Ash: Do you know my comedy thanks.
Matt: If you died.
Bret: I fell asleep 10 minutes ago he.
Pat: Cat is done downtown.
Ash: Cat doesn't care it's a four act structure shut the f****** Vashon wrap it up.
Matt: I mean I feel like I fall in between everybody here like I think I lean more towards Sam is like more than that positive I love this movie I do genuinely love this movie but I think it's I'm going to call back to a previous episode I was on with my cuz Rachel Corky shank we did Army of Darkness a movie I love that I thrust upon unwilling unknowing people like I've Loved almost every iteration of Batman I had my complaints about the pretty interesting like I forgiven the first movie that he tried to make us believe that Christian Bale was a child in those early scenes with the Mobsters in the first movie like no no no.
Matt: It's impossible to ignore things like that now and the character of The Joker's absolutely character design to twist other people and we have real people in the country doing that now and it sucks but to pull out of this nosedive of depression I do genuinely still love this movie and the band Batman and Batman's Mythos and like every scene with Alfred and Bruce were great the Jungle Story you know that I told you so but I told you so moment you know like one of them.
Matt: I love those relationships in Batman more than the action I like the action but when they actually do the character development in the relationship stuff and this movie does that well between Lucius and Batman you know when he wants the new upgrades even in the interrogation room the moment where Batman is finally face-to-face of the Joker interrogation room we learn more about the Joker in that moment and see more of Heath Ledger's acting in that moment then on a larger scale while speaking than any other point in the movie and it's phenomenal The Dark Knight Rises.
Matt: Didn't do anything like that in the first movie I don't think he doesn't even like that in the third movie like he dug did some detective work here.
Matt: Homes yes for sure.
Ash: Even the relationship between the Joker and Batman feels very much like Moriarty and Sherlock yeah it's definitely I see the comparisons for sure.
Bret: You bringing up Val fritton and Bruce relationship or reminded me that I kind of wanted I really wanted the next moment even though it would have totally ruined the flow of the vote the apply the next moment after he finishes his anecdote about hunting that dude in the in the forest because as you think about that news like giving the Santa go over like 2 days at like trying to inspire Bruce to do make the right choice and he's like so how'd you do is like the forest down and like the next moment would have been helpful Alfred.
Ash: Thanks for leading to deforestation.
Matt: Yeah I think.
Pat: So are you saying I destroy a bunch of City destroy a city block.
Matt: I forgot them to the ground so cool tried to do last year what are you talkin about or race racial Ghul whatever however it's pronounced.
Pat: Toys R Us.
Ash: Well he's kind of saying he gave the Bandit what he wanted right cuz he said the Bandit just wanted to see the world burn.
Ash: Yeah totally.
Matt: They remove the bandits Forest but yeah I don't know I think ultimately I really I'm glad personal thank you for asking me to come back on the show thank you for letting me bring this movie but I do enjoy the movie a lot and I still do I I was afraid that I would be able to watch it because of the things that brought was worried about and while maybe that should have stopped me I guess to some degree nostalgic Carry Me Through and I still really enjoyed it was captivated from start to finish it felt long in length of time and what I guess time means when were living in velvet time but it didn't end because I knew we had a record Another hat but but watching the movie I never thought to myself this is a long movie I thought it when I saw the time at the beginning and then I thought it when we were starting at midnight to record the second half but beyond that like really did enjoy my entire time with it too.
Matt: With some caveats.
Bret: Well thank you very much for coming on man.
Matt: Thank you for having me.
Bret: Would you like to tell our listeners where they can find you.
Matt: Sure I have some news that I'm spreading Oak Ross podcast I've set it on my own show and I'm almost a it on some other shows like gas but my last waiting podcast that's not on certain POV is coming.
Bret: That's so fun that's a good show.
Matt: Thank you thank you it's it's a lot of fun to do and we have some really exciting I guess plan for this month's that we are recording in which is January casinos when's the snow be out.
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Matt: Yeah Mitch love that guy.
Ash: I thought I was going to stump people like I thought I was going to have to tweet another one is like they'll never get this one but no Mitch got it.
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Ash: When does this episode come out.
Ash: Okay I have.
Pat: This weekend yeah yeah hey if you listen to this.
Bret: Tell him about the thing we started yesterday Pat.
Pat: Yesterday as of when this episode comes out I was going to. Nothing like we didn't do anything yesterday.
Matt: Time is a lake.
Ash: Wibbly wobbly.
Pat: So bright night we are cast members of we settled on Darkest Days of Dale is the the name of this new campaign on geeklyinc we play D&D we are as of the day this comes out we had our very first session the day before you can still go watch it too quick so I can keep playing or on the YouTube channel I doubt Tim's put it up by now but we're playing through icewind Dale Rime of the frostman myself Brett some awesome Geekly folks Josh Jennifer and Susie DM by Tim Lanning from Granny's Adventures.
Bret: It's going to be awesome.
Ash: Just an all-around good cast of people.
Pat: Thursdays at we move to Thursdays at 2 p. M. Eastern weird daytime DND soap opera that one movie watch it next time.
Bret: Next time next time we're going to watch that have not left for enlist anus McGillicuddy.
Matt: I love that one little sloppy though.
Ash: McGillicuddy.
Bret: McGillicuddy's what gets you and not the anus.
Ash: I don't understand what that is McGillicuddy.
Sam: It's it's it's like a phrase.
Bret: Khmer movie.
Ash: Do you mean Avis instead of anus.
Bret: No anus.
Sam: It's a portal and fun sex.
Bret: Like the butt butt sex McGillicuddy anus.
Ash: You're saying this is the dude's name.
Matt: I don't know.
Sam: Discord now.
Sam: Good goodbye.
Ash: I don't okay is it like somewhat like his first name is Adis.
Ash: Absolutely not.
Sam: You are welcome you are welcome to Google this at your own risk.