The Shadow with Steven Lamorte
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Looks like it's 6 more weeks of winter when Alec Baldwin emerges from his subterranean dungeon and sees his own shadow. That's right, it's The Shadow, with special guest, director/producer Steven LaMorte! See his projects @ stevenlamorte.com or follow him on instagram @stevenlamorte
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Starring Ash Blodgett, Bret Eagleston, Samantha Willson, and Pat Edwards.
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Ash: Anytime I'm like oh babies and then I hang around someone with a baby unlike nevermind.
Bret: Hello and welcome to another episode of Let's Rewatch, the show we watch movies that we loved in our youth and find out if they're still any good I'm Bret.
Sam: I'm Sam.
Ash: I'm Ash.
Pat: And I'm Pat.
Ash: Oh yeah.
Bret: Whew I'm excited cuz we've officially cancelled banter for like three episodes in a row now I think it's it's a new trend.
Ash: Do you hate it do you hate the vanter.
Pat: Where are you being I can't today I can pick until he's being serious or no.
Ash: He's probably being serious.
Bret: No I hate all of you this is as I'm dragged here against my will.
Pat: That I believe.
Pat: Text.
Bret: He's just really into dragging.
Ash: And you asked us why we call you the Negative Nancy but we're also joined here we also dragged here by his free will though he was willing to come Steve Le morte.
Steven: I'm really into know what I said was I was into drag and she took it totally the wrong way.
Steven: There you go.
Ash: Oh damn sorry will you know what I do know some fun bars we could go to later but yes Steve Le morte director extraordinaire he's made several short films feature films commercials music videos even the live TV events he has done fan films such as an awesome Star Wars fan film which I've seen and also a Powerpuff Girls fan film which I still need to see Steven I still have it open the tab is open on my computer.
Steven: It lost with the tab.
Ash: Also super cool fun fact is Steve has directed Ben Affleck guys.
Bret: Hello.
Bret: Is he has buff in real life as he looks in the movie.
Pat: The director Ben Affleck.
Steven: That's right the director Ben Affleck that's right and he's trim down a bit I think quarantine he might not have been working out so much but he's super cool very nice I got to go to his house and so he.
Bret: Excellent.
Steven: His bike he's with so great because you can tell when someone doesn't live in their house you know you go to some of these houses and you're like oh this house is like clearly rented and cleaned by a third-party this is his house cuz he's got you know in the same way we have memorabilia and pictures of our family he's got like photos of Matt Damon you know and him winning an Oscar and he lies on the Matt Damon photo like.
Ash: I hope it's all just photos of him and Matt Damon doing various activities together yeah.
Ash: Wow.
Steven: His home movies are like or like you know cuz we were in his excited station he was as physically pull up some old footage that you'd actually be able to use cuz obviously any footage of like Batman we can't use and he's just giving through and all of his home movies are like Casey Affleck and Matt Damon and he's like yeah me neither my whole movie of course.
Ash: Yeah we shot this one on a red this whole movie.
Steven: Righteous playing basketball in 35 millimeter film it's whatever you know.
Ash: Could you imagine someday.
Pat: No cuz I don't know what that is what a red is.
Bret: That's a color it's one of the primary colors.
Ash: Oh sorry that's a camera Pat.
Ash: Tattoo.
Steven: A red is a primary color Yes or sure.
Sam: It is a creative color.
Ash: Which we shot it only with the color red.
Pat: It's the color of the Grenadine I put in my drink.
Ash: Yes.
Bret: Hey go.
Steven: That's what I meant.
Bret: Connecting the dots finally.
Ash: The I yes don't worry you can grab one.
Pat: Go go.
Bret: Drink drink drink break Drink Break.
Ash: Oh no.
Steven: I'll get one for that I'll get one for the microphone.
Ash: This is not vamping this is not vamping.
Bret: Describing the chat is not vamping patno the sets.
Ash: No.
Pat: Alright I'm with Steve it he was getting up and he's going to get a drink we can see his lovely living room with a nice fireplace and it's not as long as you're doing something to fill the airtime okay that you go.
Ash: You have to be entertaining you can't just.
Pat: Go say something funny say something funny wedding and Charming Brett go.
Ash: Absolutely absolutely.
Bret: Listen I would love to discuss all day your lack of vamping skilled in fact I think me and Ashton Vamp on that for the rest of the episode in the same way that sun is not an element describing exactly what is going on second-by-second is not vamping.
Pat: Like the sun.
Pat: Yeah.
Ash: Wow he know he really burned you heart you asked for it and he burned you so good please don't cut any of it out keep it all in I will say though to to bring the burn full-circle this is Banter Brett so f*** you.
Steven: I don't understand are we allowed to banter or we discourage from bantering.
Ash: No please Panther.
Pat: You can say whatever you want you can banter away.
Pat: No.
Steven: Okay cuz I was told this was a banter free they initially we were cutting out the banter.
Pat: Nah.
Ash: Well that was just Brett we don't listen to Brett.
Steven: Call Greg.
Bret: For like 6 months 6 months in a row Pat was like super disappointed with our banter inside just like no more banter.
Pat: No it was it was the if you can call the Bandit was the banter of calling out that we did that we didn't f****** the intro cuz he used to be a thing we always hook up the intro and then we went for a streak we weren't f****** up the intro and then we are always calling out that we didn't f****** the intro.
Pat: I would like the stop calling out the recycle the intro.
Steven: Nothing there's nothing.
Pat: Would you get the drink Steve.
Steven: I got I got a wanderland nectarine ale.
Ash: Oh wow.
Steven: If I have to go.
Sam: Is it called Skull Island because it just melts the flesh off your skull.
Ash: Yes.
Pat: That was also supposed to be evocative of pirate stuff so I'm trying to.
Steven: Cousin.
Bret: And that what it's called when you when you slam a drink real hard your skull in it.
Pat: I've heard that.
Bret: Irish or something they use Schoology.
Steven: Which is also Irish.
Ash: No you're you're thinking skull f****** which is not a thing but you want to be associated in here.
Bret: No no yes Khalid you can.
Pat: Nope nope nope he's not because that's something else.
Steven: Also Irish.
Ash: Oh boy.
Pat: That's something else this is a great segue into Steve what movie are we going to watch tonight.
Bret: Assess.
Steven: Tonight we're watching a movie that has more skull f****** than you think.
Bret: Oh goodness.
Ash: Oh no.
Steven: Or not we're watching The Shadow.
Bret: Look up.
Pat: Yes 1994's the shadow to be exact.
Ash: And you brought this film to us right.
Ash: So it's all your fault.
Steven: I did bring this film this is a film from it's all my fault you're damn right it's a film that I can't get my girlfriend to watch for reasons that may or may not be obvious when you see it.
Sam: Uh-oh.
Steven: And it's for whatever reason just a movie I was like as a kid I don't know why I just tell you.
Pat: Yeah that's good that's perfect that's like a perfectly we want for the show or movie like when you were younger or haven't seen in awhile that's where.
Steven: Inexplicably by the way I couldn't tell you why I just remember.
Pat: Oh you're talking to the right guy about.
Steven: But I don't know I have some fondness for this movie and I'm not sure why and at the time I couldn't tell you and I guess that's what this podcast is for so hopefully I picked a good one.
Pat: All I do is subject when I get to pick is subject my my poor suffering friends here to two movies that are objectively not great but I love for whatever reason.
Steven: Bears.
Bret: Yeah Surf Ninjas.
Pat: How dare you I was not with.
Bret: Are we talking about something else.
Ash: How what were you talking about then.
Pat: Surf Ninjas 3 Ninjas.
Sam: Ninja Turtles.
Steven: 3 Ninjas 3 Ninjas entertaining.
Pat: Is that Ninja Turtles.
Steven: Ninja Turtles surprisingly I watch that that's one of my pandemic benge's I actually couldn't believe how good the original Ninja Turtles was.
Pat: Yeah we like that episode we like it's been a minute.
Ash: Yeah Weaver net positive on that one.
Steven: Eva third one I recall.
Pat: Yeah I still want to make them watch the second and the third was the third one hoof I really want to make them watch the third one this movie.
Steven: Si1 VHS.
Pat: Go ahead.
Steven: That's that one VHS I feel like we never got to watch it's just like yeah we watched it once or like now wants the first one or do you know what he's brand ever wanted to watch that third one.
Pat: What would I want to talk about the real quick with this movie is because it's part of a trend and its kind of at the tail end of a trend of this era where I love the phenomenon we've seen it a bunch where a movie will come out and be very popular and then Hollywood will take one aspect of that movie or whatever their reasoning and decide so it must be this thing people love this and just like redo that one aspect was like no it wasn't so this was an ERA I feel with their were tons of like comic book e movies that were headache Noir 20s to 40s era vibe to them.
Ash: Is this around the Dick Tracy.
Steven: They're helping their Pope.
Pat: Yes so it came out 1994 it started Batman come out in 1989 was is kind of Dexter's TV color TVs and all that but there was a we we did for the shelter there was a pretty strong aesthetic like a pre-war aesthetic to it had is kind of a weird blend right and then immediately after that in 1990 of Dick Tracy also we have Darkman Sam Raimi.
Ash: Darkman whoa really.
Pat: 91 you got The Rocketeer 94 you got the shadow 96 you got the Phantom.
Pat: All have a kind of a similar vibe to them that that look that aesthetic would I find.
Ash: They're forming the new Avengers group you know the Phantom Rocketeer.
Pat: Yeah but I do like it's like Batman comes out super popular and they look at Batman the show about a Batman and they're like oh it's the the forties aesthetic that's what people love let's just give him more of that.
Pat: Only comic books.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: Definitely took that the wrong lesson they're like oh we had to go back to the source material way back tell radio and newspaper cuz these characters you know but not I mean even The Rocketeer like these characters are not traditional comic book DC Marvel I mean either you know their pulp Heroes and I think they took the wrong lessons.
Pat: Yeah.
Bret: Is this the one where they ate the lesson I took was a Batman had his shadow.
Bret: I have no idea what this movies about Pat is what I'm trying to say.
Ash: Fun.
Steven: Oh yeah.
Pat: Yeah so it's so it's the Very Old Source material it started as a radio play like one of those radio shows you listen to for 1 year or so dwells played The Shadow.
Ash: You mean a podcast.
Pat: A podcast that you can trick rewind or pause or anything.
Pat: And then it was yeah they were doing like Pulp stories and Pulp Comics of it and let's talk about the director it was a gentleman named Russell Mulcahy.
Pat: Who directed Highlander andycine A6 and Resident Evil one of the umpteen Resident Evil so we just one of them and he has a bunch of episodes of the MTV show Teen Wolf.
Ash: Oh with the who is that again okay.
Bret: Who is the Teen Wolf.
Ash: Who hit the T-Mobile.
Pat: He's there and I mean a ton like a hundred of video shorts to whatever that means a lot of music video shorts ton of Elton John's stuff has been around and then the two credit writers are Walter Gibson who is the the he passed away before this movie was made he was the creator of the character like the Shadow and then.
Steven: Oh wow that's a.
Pat: David kept who works yeah he was a screenwriter for Jurassic Park the first Tobey Maguire Spider-Man possible.
Pat: Panic Room.
Steven: Yeah he looked to Saint David kept so super legit screenwriter.
Pat: He's done.
Steven: Who clearly had a career after this which is.
Steven: Impressive.
Steven: Jose.
Ash: Good news maybe maybe.
Pat: I'm trying to look up he wrote the screenplay for the Tom Cruise mummy.
Bret: Do the Kami.
Steven: Dammit.
Ash: Ono Ono it came back around Ono.
Bret: The worst.
Steven: Hey you still got paid you-know-what homie still got paid.
Bret: The worst movie poster in history that billboard.
Bret: Oh no.
Pat: Oh buddy know this isn't looking good for him he also is credited on the screenplay for the Crystal Skull Indiana Jones that one they did.
Steven: Oh yeah.
Bret: Is this is he going to take it too far in this one in the early days.
Steven: I would be curious I don't know I do think that hearing the things he made that are not so good it's kind of like a James Cameron I think right like if you look at all the things that make James Cameron a good director the more control he has the worst those movies yet is like a sweet spot of some control with him still being somewhat schmaltzy that makes like the perfect Hollywood film and then he is when he runs wild you like oh no it's like nobody told Christopher Nolan.
Ash: Thank you thank you so much for bringing that to the table because pot and I have a rivalry over it.
Steven: I enjoyed it.
Sam: You have no idea what you just started.
Pat: I like to move it.
Pat: Osher.
Steven: I liked it but it just seemed like what happens when you just leave somebody alone with all the money and don't question anything you like you guys wanted any pictures you know we can't hear the words right and he's like.
Steven: Don't question what I do we can't we can't hear the words like he's I got some purpose.
Steven: Yes.
Steven: We're allowed to like what we like.
Pat: For me it's one of those things where everyone who has a the criticisms of it are 100 orrect they don't know you are right like this this Parts a mess this thing is wrong I still like it.
Bret: And also doesn't like chocolate so you know you can.
Ash: Oh there it is.
Sam: Hahaha.
Steven: There it is.
Ash: Okay.
Pat: I don't stop ioi I'm happy you open this door but cuz I have I want I have like kind of an evolution of this like a way to phrase this how I feel about chocolate I don't not like chocolate I think. That's fine and here's what movie terms okay I'm bringing around.
Bret: You have a monologue prepared for this f****** topic Pat.
Steven: Alright here we go this is type five about why he doesn't like chocolate.
Pat: You open the door chocolate is best as a supporting character not the main protagonist.
Ash: FALSE.
Pat: Like.
Bret: Tell that to chocolate.
Sam: FALSE.
Steven: Yeah that's false that's at false.
Ash: You're not going to win this argument Pat or not.
Steven: No no no.
Sam: Unless The Supporting Cast is flour eggs and leavening agent.
Bret: You think.
Pat: Like a Reese's Peanut Butter and then like the chocolate kind of like as a flavor or like an Oreo for me the primary flavor is the cream in the chocolate is secondary.
Steven: I do.
Ash: Why are you digging yourself a hole you should just wish.
Pat: I'm not I'm explaining it how it might my preference and why I think chocolate I think chocolate is great in an in the right setting.
Steven: You don't look everyone's allowed to have a preference.
Bret: Pat is a man with certain preferences.
Steven: Every everyone's allowed to have a preference yours is just wrong that's fine.
Pat: It's okay you are not the first guest that has shamed me for my chocolate beliefs and you won't be the last.
Steven: Dammit Bobby.
Bret: I can't remember the name of what they called it but you're hurt your watch King of the Hill there is an episode where the one dude he was he was the the opposite of the model consumer you could watch him and the things that he bought were destined to fail because he likes everything that was the least popular I think that's Pat in real life.
Steven: Stark.
Ash: That's so mean.
Pat: Hahaha thanks.
Ash: Wow.
Sam: I have zero idea what that's like.
Steven: We have that with my girlfriend if she ever says go let her sense of direction is so bad I genuinely do the opposite of what she says so she says go left I go right.
Ash: Wow.
Steven: Every time I would say 95.
Ash: She just like mess with you inside the opposite then.
Ash: That's true.
Steven: That's only going to make us late for the thing we're already late to like why would I invite this chaos since here.
Ash: Oh yeah.
Bret: They were talking about a movie or something.
Steven: Pantera free zone has been demolished.
Ash: Bathroom police Panzer police.
Pat: This movie stars mr. Alec Baldwin and then enroll.
Bret: Before that time he yelled at his kids.
Sam: That seems odd.
Pat: Yes I mean that we know of.
Steven: Alec Baldwin.
Ash: About this.
Pat: There was a voice.
Bret: How did you not know that Alec Baldwin's kind of not a nice guy.
Ash: No I didn't know that.
Pat: Yeah he's not there was a voicemail came out of a very not nice voicemail he left his daughter.
Steven: Yeah but.
Ash: Didn't he like getting a fist fight with someone over a parking spot in New York as well.
Bret: I would believe it.
Pat: I was so blind.
Steven: He's got one of those like Russell Crowe style tempers where.
Steven: If I'm recalling correctly all of his indiscretions are always like.
Steven: Yeah he just gets annoyed you know then like any doesn't take no s*** you know Russell Crowe if you don't have a reservation for him.
Steven: Hot shit at one point.
Bret: Alec Baldwin's like I was in Beetlejuice dammit.
Ash: He's probably getting to a point where that's not going to work anymore and all the like Generation Z or whatever is going to be like what.
Pat: Oh you're that guy from that Old show 30 Rock.
Steven: Right oh my God.
Steven: Oh man the first season of that show is so long ago like surprisingly like a surprisingly long number of years ago you're like a boy.
Bret: Yeah it's from like two different decades ago.
Steven: Early 2000s.
Ash: Hope so.
Pat: There are some folks in this movie names are very much recognized and faces you'll recognize if you don't recognize the names John lone as someone whose name you might not know but he might recognize his face and things same with Penelope Ann Miller.
Pat: And we hear some hear some Peter Boyle is in this.
Pat: Yep McAllen is in this.
Ash: Wow.
Sam: What.
Steven: Really.
Pat: Tim Curry is in this.
Sam: Oh my God really.
Ash: Shut up.
Bret: This is one of those.
Pat: Jonathan Winters James Hong someone who even if you don't recognize the name you have seen him he has he has an insane amount of acting credits.
Pat: Yes James Hong yes keys.
Steven: He's that guy and all the in all the movies in the 90s write you one of those whatever is in this movie is that in every movie one of those right.
Pat: He's got 441 acting credits.
Ash: A real single character actor.
Bret: I'm looking forward to seeing Tim Curry go he's.
Ash: That is coming.
Steven: Luciano you know that yeah yeah I mean you don't have to have seen the movie to know where that's nowhere that's headed you know that's coming.
Pat: How long has it been since you seen this movie.
Ash: Wow.
Steven: Easily hand plus maybe 15 years it's been out it's been a long time I tried to watch it once maybe 3 years ago and then I stopped.
Bret: Stop.
Sam: It's not a good sign.
Bret: Why'd you stop.
Steven: I don't think it was I don't think it was without giving too much away because the opening is so dramatically different from the rest of the film I was like.
Bret: Okay.
Ash: Okay.
Steven: Is what is what I will say.
Steven: And so that's the only part that's really fresh in my mind cuz it's your matically different from the origin story and it's has some it seems tangential to what unit was in the trailers.
Steven: So yeah the opening of this film may surprise you.
Sam: Like Kung Fu Panda.
Steven: It's like clickbait the opening is felt.
Ash: Yes.
Bret: Clickbait Maher podcast from the 40s.
Steven: May you go lose never surprise me.
Pat: I'm the sheriff.
Pat: Just to give you kind of.
Steven: I don't understand that reference.
Ash: They never surprise me to wake up every morning they're still there.
Steven: I'm surprised when I wake up and they're also there I'm like.
Pat: I'm trying to give you a little bit of flavor of what type of movie this is help you definitely already talked about that sort of era it's set in post World War 1 was a radio play and.
Pat: I'm going to I'm going to give you a quote during the radio play that every episode ended with the same line.
Pat: In the narrator would go the weed of crime Bears bitter fruit crime does not pay the shadow knows.
Pat: And then.
Ash: Like Santa Claus like he knows what you're doing at all times.
Pat: I think yeah yeah you better not bootleg you better not bank rob.
Steven: What were the crimes back then you better not be nice to someone who looks different than you like.
Ash: You better not go to a speakeasy.
Steven: McDonald's or liquor unless you do in case.
Pat: We're down to go to the money game in a second here but I'm going to share something with you that might be a little too much but I kind of want to give you guys a little bit of a ballpark to play in.
Pat: Alvin Lee thumbs-up so keep going.
Pat: So they had big hopes for this movie okay they.
Ash: Clearly by the cast imeem cheese.
Steven: Money well spent.
Pat: Yeah they were planning on it being like a franchise.
Bret: Really toys.
Pat: With toys clothing line a game.
Ash: How do you make a toy out of a shadow.
Pat: Well you'll see you see his cool outfit.
Ash: I mean it was a joke I wasn't looking for a real answer.
Pat: It's just because black construction paper cut in the shape of a.
Steven: No they sell out they sell a light.
Ash: Really.
Steven: And the rest is up to you.
Bret: Who framed Roger rabbit sold the portable hole.
Ash: Did they really.
Pat: Was just a black sticker or something or.
Bret: You can buy ya know it was a real physical hole that broke the fabric of reality Pat.
Pat: You're I'm sorry whatever I did to you brat.
Sam: Now why you so mean to PAT.
Ash: It's like piss to you today.
Sam: Wenis.
Bret: You can't kill wenis.
Bret: No.
Pat: I'm going to kill your character in two days when we played Andy just so you know I'm chilling I'm chilling wenis I'm chilling wenis he's dying.
Sam: Yes.
Pat: So.
Bret: It's it's horrible.
Pat: Unfortunately for the shadow it opened Against The Lion King and the mask.
Ash: Oh no.
Sam: So that toy line.
Pat: Yes.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: I mean did they did they did that because they thought they should dump it or they did that cuz they thought they had a snowball's chance in hell of beating those two.
Ash: I mean I'm guessing.
Sam: Yeah.
Sam: Yep.
Pat: I mean I don't think either of those two were considered I feel like salmon probably especially with Lion King I don't feel like either the mask or The Lion King were considered like in the bag mega-hit like Lion King was the secondary project right like it was Pocahontas was the one they were like that's going to be the big s*** and.
Pat: I don't know that I mean.
Ash: Wait it's not.
Pat: And the same thing with the mask I mean that was like Cameron Diaz is like first main role big role.
Steven: Jim Carrey was kind of on the on the up was on the way up and he wasn't I don't think he had arrived at that point.
Pat: No I mean he was a star I don't know if that was right after the first day Center I think it and was the first thing you did right after the first Ace Ventura.
Pat: You look kinda slightly different audiences but let's go ahead let's go ahead and do give you the cast you kind of know like the arrow that you can probably visualize a lot of the aesthetic of this I'm sure that let's go ahead and go to the money game.
Bret: Alright.
Pat: Steven Seagal last.
Ash: All right I think Steven is going to have an unfair Advantage as the one person the one person of the podcast is actually made feature Phelps.
Steven: Okay.
Steven: Okay.
Steven: I can go.
Pat: UF you have to go last then sorry guest sorry guess guess their last here welcome to let 3 watch.
Ash: I mean bread already established that.
Ash: Yes.
Pat: Ask Sam brat who wants to jump in first with their budge everybody who got a buddy idea.
Sam: I'm going to go and this is 1994.
Steven: That is a lot of lot of money.
Bret: When did when did Super Mario Brothers come out.
Ash: 60 I'm moving now.
Bret: Dino table computer up.
Pat: When did what.
Ash: Super Mario Brothers.
Bret: Super Mario Brothers when did that come out.
Bret: Did I ask the same question.
Ash: You did.
Steven: Just checking to make sure the just checking to make sure that answers still.
Pat: I think that was the year you act like you also ask that last time I think it was the year before I think you totally did yeah yeah I was 93.
Pat: And you actually did a skit last recorded yes.
Bret: Oh God.
Ash: Yeah he's judging budget.
Steven: That's what is at the bar by which you like Super Mario cost so.
Bret: That's this it's it's a good thing to know when was the most recent huge failure in a semi related like you know adaptive genre saying so yeah I'm going to say so.
Ash: 55.
Pat: Okay Sanford 8055 Ash I know you were all.
Ash: I was all over the board I changed it to 60 but.
Pat: Okay Steve what do you study answer like s*** Steven.
Steven: I'm going to say I'm going to say like.
Ash: Austria.
Steven: 40 cuz I think that was a lot more money in the 90s 80 million dollars.
Pat: It was 25.
Sam: Wow.
Steven: I was way off I was.
Ash: 25.
Bret: I think I went High cuz you said 80 but I was like the cover was just Alec Baldwin and his f****** shadow.
Sam: But they had a line.
Steven: Still this is no I mean if you think about it I mean you know back then that would be the unit 25 million which I think would probably the equivalent of like at least 60 or 70 now right.
Ash: Probably yeah.
Pat: I mean if you want me to go to inflation calculator I can.
Ash: This is our new segment called do the math.
Steven: I'm Cherry aibek just cuz it you know I mean like I mean Deadpool and Deadpool was made for 4.
Steven: Deadpool was like only a $49 movie and then there's you know they're small.
Steven: Films of this ilk.
Ash: Wow that's why they couldn't afford all the X-Men in it.
Ash: That's true.
Pat: I mean.
Bret: It's not an inflation calendar you need a Hollywood inflation calendar like you know he's just chimed in the waters with any old thing and making f****** 200-300 Mill.
Pat: Okay well I found a regular I found a regular inflation calendar and it says 25 million dollars in 1994 is like 45 million dollars today.
Sam: You're very close.
Ash: Okay.
Steven: I was I was doing today math that's what it was.
Ash: Yeah that's what you are doing.
Steven: Fun fact about.
Pat: Isuzu.
Pat: Good fun facts.
Ash: Oh my God.
Steven: Not that fun fact about that that Deadpool budget they actually had that I think it was in the forties it was low and add that budget cut like 2 weeks before production and so yeah so they asked if you want to still shoot this thing we got to drop 5 million 5 million dollars off the budget like Ryan Reynolds everybody and so they decided to cut all of the Gunplay cuz every time you fire a gun and you know this so it's either it's either a pyro charger like the effects right-sided Gunplay from the third act so that's why do Pender leaves all of the guns in the car and it drives away and he's like well I guess it's going to be a nice fight because they literally didn't have the money for squibs.
Ash: Wow.
Ash: Yeah.
Pat: That's great I love that stuff. I'm a huge fan of a huge proponent of like limitation breeds creativity like I feel I enjoy I almost prefer they getting writing assignments where I'm giving like I have like parameters or something I feel like it really rather than just a blank slate cuz I I thrive on that like I love that like the challenge of like okay I've got a cheap this in this but it can't do this I've got a kind of like contort around and I love that stuff and it's some of the coolest things we've ever seen in movies and books and TV Comics have been come from that some kind of hurdler Genesis like limitation that they had to work around.
Pat: Yeah.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: Smrt the Monty Python coconuts right I mean is way funnier in the Holy Grail they have the Coconuts cuz they didn't have the money for horses and you're like this is so much better.
Pat: Yes.
Ash: Exactly.
Pat: Let's do a cumulative worldwide gross.
Pat: On this.
Bret: Tested make its money back.
Ash: So it was 2725 was the budget.
Bret: Or maybe just barely made it when he died.
Bret: Samesies.
Ash: Yeah I want to say 20.
Bret: 18 20 25.
Ash: What you saying Steve.
Steven: Call C10 I'm going to say is a huge disappointment.
Bret: Me.
Pat: Whoever had the highest number wins it was it did it did make its money.
Bret: I-25.
Ash: Oh did you do 25.
Pat: It was 48 actually worldwide but but I can see how it's like if you're just talking about the movies budget and returns and had all this other s*** lined up.
Ash: Made the money at.
Ash: Right.
Pat: Like maybe the movie itself was profitable but the whole machine probably took a bath like with all those other ancillary things I was talking about that they're trying to line up.
Steven: But we also you know dollar-for-dollar you spend about $1 per.
Steven: Production Dollar on marketing right so if the you know you're working on Spider-Man and they spent 200 million there in the hole for like 4:50 before they you know so they're like yeah oh yeah I have friends who working on one of the Spider-Man movies and they were like.
Pat: Jesus.
Steven: You know I got cool you'll just.
Ash: It will though.
Pat: It might sound amazing and terrible at the same time.
Ash: It will.
Steven: Sony Spider-Man's are not Marvel movies this was one of the.
Ash: Oh I thought I thought it was the Marvel one sorry.
Steven: No this was back on the.
Pat: The Garfield ones or.
Steven: Yeah the Garfield one one of them they were shooting at music to make a billion dollars were all fired up.
Ash: Wait Garfield's and Spider-Man guys.
Bret: Good God asked.
Steven: He's just hanging in there.
Pat: Spider-Man hates Mondays.
Steven: Spider-Man loves lasagna.
Bret: Really love that f****** final fight against normal.
Pat: It was really tragic how the alien symbiote attached to OD and then is like this like OD Venom hybrid thing he defied his best friend.
Steven: In Spider-Man Garvey.
Ash: Oh my God.
Pat: Which one of us is an artist I could not do like Spider-Man and Garfield mashups Lakes like Spider-Man Garfield as Spiderman all the characters as characters.
Steven: We just come back so what you think of the Shadow well I have these sketches they're all Spider-Man theme Garfield sketches.
Ash: I forgot to watch the movie.
Bret: Distracted.
Steven: Puppy sketches.
Ash: Of course Garfield is still voiced by Bill Murray in this scenario right so.
Bret: Absolutely.
Ash: Yeah.
Ash: So good.
Steven: John would have to be Mary Jane.
Ash: How does John fit into it though he just isn't he's cut from the film okay.
Steven: Or the Kingpin running everything.
Bret: As ya ever say he could Bianco band.
Pat: Oh I just said he was Aunt May.
Ash: Uncle Benny's killed in the beginning of the movie.
Pat: Garfield without Garfield Garfield.
Steven: Spice spell.
Pat: Aging and like his suit doesn't the Spider-Man suit doesn't fit in his little like cat tummy is spilling out a little bit another shirt.
Ash: This is wonderful.
Sam: Quick copyright this idea.
Sam: It parody.
Bret: Dispensary going in the trash cutting room floor.
Ash: Yeah cuz we can wow what is up your butt today.
Ash: Cheese.
Pat: Brett is going to be just Savage with the editors knife on this one he's like all this nonsense.
Steven: He's a guy I didn't like any of those jokes are all cut.
Pat: Getting there.
Pat: I'm in a mood.
Ash: I don't care that you're a director Steve I'm taking the Final Cut.
Sam: Can you tell what the baby woke up at 4 and never went back to sleep.
Pat: Baby not nice.
Bret: The baby is staring eyes wide at a at a blank wall while Sam's rocking him in the thing just like.
Steven: Baby.
Pat: Let's do predictions know if it makes sense for you to go first cuz you've seen this the most recently as far as how you think it's sending us.
Ash: Well your color our expectations so have the people who have it.
Pat: I'll have to be going okay.
Steven: No I I think you guys you guys should go over yeah.
Ash: Yeah yeah.
Bret: Yeah they're not.
Ash: Alright.
Bret: Is it like a detective movie or something it seems like it would be a detective movie what's the can you throw a genre at me at least no spoilers just to just a genre what is this.
Ash: Comicbookmovie.
Bret: That's not a genre.
Steven: Yeah.
Pat: There's Lobster epithel like I think there's like I seen a one-time I don't remember a ton about it it's like he has he's he's a vigilante.
Bret: Okay.
Steven: And I tell you this it's kind of a it's like a new war comic books.
Steven: Right at the.
Bret: It said they were there trying to do a Dick Tracy tracing that dick I don't know man if they were trying to copy Dick Tracy I feel like Dick Tracy was awesome in ways that almost couldn't be replicated even if attempted.
Bret: And if they were trying to do that I don't I don't know I don't know how I'm going to feel about this but I do love more stuff and I might enjoy it just for the vibe.
Ash: I know you didn't enjoy Blade Runner for the newer Vive Sol.
Steven: Les it's Noir but sci-fi Noir doesn't really count.
Pat: Are we going to open every issue but I have with each other we're just everything that like.
Ash: Hi weirdo van every issue all of them live in the station.
Pat: Sure open the closet for all the skeletons out.
Pat: Dammit Sam what do you think.
Ash: Laying it out shots fired.
Sam: I don't know anything about this I have a feeling it's not going to be great and now I'm very worried yeah I'm very I'm very worried it's going to be gratuitously violent.
Ash: So interesting.
Sam: That's my fear.
Ash: Is that because he said he can't get his girlfriend to watch it.
Sam: I don't know possibly or the beginning opens up weird I don't know is it the fear.
Pat: It is PG-13 also.
Sam: Or it opens up with the big sex scene one of the other.
Pat: Yeah.
Sam: That's true that's a good point.
Pat: I mean a lot of lot of living things die in Lord of the Rings bud.
Bret: I would call a uber violent.
Bret: They have like.
Pat: Wild Bratz just cuz there or spread they don't care.
Bret: I just lord-of-the-rings favor they had a fun time killing Orcs he slid down an elephant you know like it was fun it was fun. Fun murder.
Ash: Murder.
Pat: Good murders there good murders everything.
Bret: Good murders.
Ash: Alright well.
Ash: Well if I save are you done.
Ash: Okay.
Sam: Yeah I mean I don't know what else to say I mean yeah I think maybe there will be some cool practical effects that all appreciate Maybe.
Sam: I don't know that's it that's all I got.
Ash: It's.
Pat: Yeah you still a spelt hunky leading man.
Steven: It's a very spelt movie star Alec Baldwin I think at the height of his power I had to guess.
Bret: The height of its power.
Steven: Early 90s yeah I think that was.
Ash: I like that you probably haven't seen the poster but from the poster the takeaway is maybe there's some good special effects.
Sam: Yeah.
Bret: Was that one of the taglines.
Sam: It's true.
Ash: Because the poster doesn't make it look like there's going to be a special effects.
Ash: I I don't know anything about this movie either I didn't know it existed until Steve brought it to the table I know that Steve is a fantastic director with when it comes to visual effects and special effects so I'm assuming that he chose this movie because there are some in this movie.
Ash: I'm not optimistic about them being great.
Ash: Yes yeah.
Bret: It is very rare that none of us have even heard of a thing like cuz I totally hadn't heard of this.
Steven: It's also not wasn't a small film I mean this was a big Studio Pictures is not some weird Little Indie I mean this is based on existing IP it's early 90s it's got a bunch of people you've heard of it and I'm surprised that you guys had no.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: But it did flop so I did flop but not and maybe not.
Ash: So maybe they tried to bury it or like Dear God.
Steven: Will something slap so hard right like Water World slap so hard you know that everybody knows that one even though a lot of people I think nowadays haven't seen it I think those.
Ash: I've seen Waterworld.
Sam: I have not seen it but I've heard of it.
Ash: It's it would be a super fun one for the podcast.
Pat: Yeah.
Ash: Definitely.
Pat: Agree hardigree.
Sam: They actually sold them.
Ash: And fun fact about Waterworld is the costumes for Waterworld have been used over and over and over again and so many films cuz they still have them at this like prop house and they just like rent them out or did they sell them.
Sam: Haha.
Ash: When that happened recently.
Ash: Okay.
Ash: Oh wow.
Ash: Yeah.
Sam: Lake 2016-2017 I think one of my friends who makes props she bought one and she was very excited granted they might still have the main characters but it was like a background characters costume.
Bret: One of the smokers.
Sam: Yep.
Ash: Yes exactly yeah.
Pat: They're just like great-great like generic post-apocalyptic rag type like.
Bret: Totally.
Steven: Well that's amazing that Hollywood right like you think I'll man they built all this stuff costume and then you're walking around here like oh there's that location and also that's the location from and also that's the look like you look at you know the Clock Tower from Back to the Future you know the ReUse a thousand times you know and sometimes you go to like we go to rent things you renting it from Sony which used to be MGM right I think he has history.
Bret: Yeah totally.
Ash: Definitely.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: Especially if it went into a soundstage like that's yeah Hollywood.
Pat: Love it I love that stuff actually live.
Pat: I'm somewhat optimistic.
Pat: That this will be.
Ash: This could be the couch from the actual ship Titanic thanks for almost appreciating that fret.
Steven: Show me like one of your French girls.
Pat: I'm somewhat optimistic that it will be fun to wire entertaining I think maybe it's just a product of like it went up against two like crazy all-time huge mega hits.
Pat: It may be just.
Bret: Just a grill gradey dick.
Pat: It's too it's too it's like maybe two in between right like the viable be kind of adult cuz it'll be that super I got I get there one time but seeing images and I'll do my research for the housing and stuff it looks like they almost feel like we're doing Dick Tracy but like a gritty Dick Tracy like a serious Dick Tracy without without the.
Steven: Every time.
Pat: I'm getting I'm getting.
Pat: I'm getting like we're doing to Tracy but without like The Cheeky looks like parody of self-parody Vibes like we're getting the and we're doing it real is going to be this like action Noir Thriller and I could see I'm not saying it's a hundred percent but I could see it like all occasion to go back and watch not too long ago I re-watched The Maltese Falcon.
Bret: Really.
Ash: Shocker.
Steven: When you're telling me Casablanca holds up no way.
Pat: And and also Casablanca like 2 months ago or something but I think it's going to be an interesting film and I'm excited to watch something that we kind of don't know what we're getting into that's always fun.
Ash: Yeah.
Bret: Yeah I'm genuinely curious about your prediction cuz so often the making something the grittier and more adult just means like removing all of the fun from it.
Steven: Right let's make it dark why would we want Superman to smile.
Steven: Dammit Alfred go back to the dock Alexa send them I'm just going to handle this I'm sorry.
Ash: Can you can you ask the robot to go back to the dock cuz that's amazing.
Steven: Yeah Alexa send the shark robot back to his dock his name is Alfred. Give me a second.
Pat: Probably thinks I just called Wally iRobot vacuum.
Ash: Ours is just DJ Roomba.
Pat: You did.
Ash: DJ Roomba.
Pat: We don't have a hook up to like a Google home but it's have an app on the phone which is easy I love technology.
Bret: Sadly this is vamping.
Ash: What is your problem today you're in such a bad mood.
Ash: Yeah.
Bret: I'm in such a dumb right now.
Steven: Then we go out.
Ash: Vampire lord.
Steven: Alfred has been put to bed we're all good.
Ash: Oh good.
Steven: I think I think if you're into I think yes I think you'll be pleasantly surprised if you're if you're if you picking up what I'm putting down I think you're like it but I think if it's not for you than you're going to hate the whole thing.
Steven: And I seem to recall it being one of those films that doesn't like you know divots towing a bunch of stuff at pixel Lane and it goes hard.
Bret: Is there a little or a lot of Tim Curry in this.
Ash: Oh good question.
Steven: I haven't the foggiest idea I genuinely can't remember I mean when I tell you I watched the first like two-and-a-half minute years ago and was like all and pass on it I didn't know he was in it I couldn't tell you what the hell even the calendars doing in there like.
Steven: Yeah where I'm really.
Steven: I said no variation in very short order.
Bret: It's strictly a Vibe dick like.
Steven: Got to be in the mood I guess you know.
Bret: Alright well I think we're going to pause the recording and going watch.
Bret: Shadow shadow is it shadow.
Pat: Yes it's it's the shadow.
Steven: The Shadow.
Bret: Z-shadow Valvoline shadow.
Ash: Nightshadow.
Pat: No not like musier just the shadow.
Steven: It's age is it a shadow.
Bret: He yield shadow.
Pat: The Shadow.
Bret: Going to watch the Shadow and then talk about it in the future.
Bret: I've been looking for a new beach.
Steven: The actual song.
Pat: It's a city of Shadows at the city of light in the city of Secrets the city of crimes that does not rhyme but that's what the lyrics are I listen to it three times.
Sam: Oh you poor thing.
Pat: Not the whole thing.
Bret: This is like listening to the f****** It's Always Sunny guys try to write a song.
Ash: Yes.
Pat: Yes it's very Dayman nightman energy that's that I mean shadow man yeah that song.
Steven: Is this city of Shadows.
Pat: That song comes out of nowhere.
Ash: Shadow Man.
Bret: Is nightman the movie holyshit.
Steven: And you're like the 90s.
Ash: Oh yes.
Pat: Man.
Steven: So grateful for their contributions.
Ash: Guys but we must talk about them Nails then they'll.
Bret: Iris and long Coke nails.
Pat: Oh man.
Ash: Nails.
Sam: They were opium nails.
Ash: He definitely made sure to get his nails did everyday he was in China.
Steven: Hey.
Bret: When where they injected until where they were.
Sam: Tibet allegedly.
Bret: Allegedly.
Steven: Allegedly.
Pat: Yeah okay where do we start.
Sam: I don't know I don't know.
Pat: So I haven't you know what Imma jumping is a this movie answers the question what if Batman was also a Jedi.
Ash: Yes.
Pat: I have a confession to make everyone I apologize about halfway through this movie I stopped being a part of let's re-watch and I started being part of another podcast on our Network another past because I and I texted case during while watching this movie like dibs on the shadow I'm coming another pass and we're doing the shadow because I have so many ideas for this movie could have been better.
Bret: Kennesaw.
Pat: It's a bunch of little things but literally I feel that they have all the pieces I've ever felt this movie is 1000nfulfilled potential so many little pieces so in the very beginning for one don't show him is like this.
Pat: Don't show that.
Ash: No we didn't need that no.
Pat: You can it could be it's one of those things where you do the opposite usually show don't tell but that could have been a really powerful moment if he had likes some kind of heart-to-heart with Margo.
Pat: About like how we got here and he's like I used to be a terrible person I actually LED this like criminal organization 47 years and I.
Pat: I'm trying you maybe had a head like his brush with death right his low Point his brush with death and then she's like like tending to him he's like why do you do this like what he's like II need to make up for this I need to do some good in the world I spent a decade causing nothing but pain and misery and then I was the I somehow can't found the temple and be a little more vague about it cuz it sounds kind of Epic and is dark past if you're talking about it but it looks f****** silly.
Steven: It's absurd to see a white guy as a drug lord in the Opium field he has.
Pat: Yes.
Bret: Well okay so.
Ash: Are poppies right.
Ash: And to repay them.
Bret: I mean the setup without the Opium Fields cuz that's a Topia sure did he is the words that they put on the screen where it where they said and then he got magical powers also said that they just made him do it.
Pat: Yeah yeah.
Ash: Yeah I was could I didn't get but he was trying to repent I thought he was being forced to do it.
Pat: It was a force it was a forced penance.
Bret: A lot of slavery in this movie.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: Compelled it seem like it was Forrest yeah cuz of the the magical nice not the most culturally sensitive of films.
Ash: No.
Bret: That's that's my biggest like I don't even have other thought this one was just so overriding in my mind is the bad guy.
Ash: I mean he didn't really act like a good guy to the point that he kills Tim Curry the same way the bad guy is killing everyone.
Ash: Yes.
Sam: Wait that was him who killed Tim Curry I thought that was a bad guy.
Ash: No.
Pat: He know she she made him jump through the window yeah yeah.
Sam: Yeah that was messed up.
Steven: No he he made him jump through the fake exit window.
Bret: Yeah he killed.
Pat: In his hole.
Steven: But like in the Zack Snyder in his defense and is Zack Snyder Batman film like Batman murders everybody like he's got guns he's driving around like he might not shoot somebody in the face but he definitely throws a car that crushes another car filled with people like our Batman kills people today.
Ash: Is this a defense because isn't that like weibley like the criticism of that movie.
Pat: Yeah I mean there was a narc.
Pat: Yeah.
Steven: I don't think it's the right choice I'm just saying Batman kills people right now until we get a new one in the current Batman murders that he stabbed the s*** out of that one guy in Batman v Superman he picked up a knife in the camera panned away here like did he just stabbed.
Pat: There was an arc in the comics were you did start he did go dark and start killing people but also I also argue even normal normal Batman he kills people he doesn't understand how brain trauma works like.
Steven: He throws them off a building and he's like well well done.
Bret: Oh yeah and that's the movie we get the great-great which which our hero also does but then the hero also uses his main powers to manipulate women which is horrifying.
Steven: Repeatedly he's cuz the cab driver says this is not like the all the other women you do this too and he's like I guess not.
Steven: I was just thinking the same thing.
Sam: No.
Steven: Fully clothed fully dressed.
Ash: Oh yeah I mean I can't believe I have to say it again but a woman waking up to a man staring at her is not sexy know so freaky yeah.
Steven: Play just been standing there I had a dream that I ripped my face off and there was someone else underneath.
Pat: That was what was that scene.
Bret: Okay.
Steven: She's trying to be sexy it was Majestic.
Pat: And why is he Rich why is he.
Pat: From his drug money maybe his drug money.
Pat: The police commissioners.
Ash: Okay thank you I was like this movie is like the biggest the biggest well clearly he's like the what not the mayor but the the police chief's nephew or something.
Steven: Nephew right.
Ash: But I was like this movie is like white privilege the poster child like this dude disappears for seven years and comes back and now he's like the richest dude in New York.
Bret: If you're really looking for a reason why he's the richest dude in your cats because of his worldwide network of slaves.
Ash: Estero.
Steven: And that whole drug ring the drug ring he runs.
Ash: That's a good question a good question.
Pat: Yeah so that also begs the question does he only save people that he thinks he can use with select desio.
Bret: So I got strong Vibes that he was orchestrating like I need a cab driver and Mike's would set it up so he could save the cab driver's life now that you owe me your life.
Pat: Which she doesn't need a why do you need a working cab driver who might be on a call all the way across the city when you need them when if you apparently have all this technology that's like 30-40 years ahead of the times and you're rich like just have a chauffeur.
Ash: Yeah.
Pat: Yeah.
Ash: Well there's so many.
Pat: I will.
Steven: Writers have a driver why is going to be a cab driver who could I maybe it's hiding though the cab driver he can go around and it's not like a fancy car just kind of Blends in maybe.
Ash: Except that cab look different than all the other cats.
Pat: Yeah and I would argue you can buy a personal car and paint it to look like a cab.
Steven: This is.
Sam: Or just buy a decommissioned tab like Phoebe on Friends.
Bret: So the captain looks unlike every other car because there was one identical cab that has the bad guy at one point it was that was the character you should watch it's in this vehicle.
Bret: Big banner.
Pat: It's.
Ash: I mean there's so many times where like the logic of.
Ash: His powers.
Ash: Don't always line up either we're like he mind telepathy is hurt Margo to come across town and save him from drowning but then when she gets there he's like open the door like this turn the wheel and I'm like.
Ash: Okay.
Pat: Also it's like also I wish you would have been like yeah no s*** like yeah that's cool.
Steven: Rite Aid.
Ash: But like why is he why is he mouthing open the door doesn't can't he talk to her with his brain.
Steven: What is mind power.
Bret: It's because she's dumb.
Ash: Okay I'll wait until we take a detour and talk about this actress because oh my God she's the the worst actor in the film and surprisingly she was nominated for a Golden Globe for the film she did before this one.
Steven: Annapolis film.
Ash: No.
Bret: I feel like they.
Sam: I mean.
Ash: But like I can imagine you get worse as you progress through acting so how is it possible.
Pat: Sandra Bullock won an Oscar and a Razzie in the same year.
Pat: So.
Ash: Okay.
Sam: Really what for.
Steven: I mean it seemed like.
Pat: Blindside and All About Steve.
Pat: I'll let you decide which is which.
Steven: It seemed like tonally the direction was all over the place like you have some moments that are dark and Gothic if some moments that are.
Pat: Yeah.
Steven: It's the part you don't use unless you believe in.
Bret: Telekinesis or telepathy.
Sam: Telepathy.
Pat: Is this ya unless you believe in.
Steven: Unless you unless you believe in Jesus.
Bret: Goodness.
Bret: Yeah and then evil thing you did who knows if the bad guy was actually even injured by the brain Spike but he convinced the doctor does lobotomize them or whatever like I think he's the bad guy.
Pat: That's right cuz the doctor of the Ring the doctor was one of his lackeys.
Steven: The doctor was one of his guns yep.
Pat: So he might have needed his lobotomy or whatever and they that wow.
Ash: Oh he'd 100.
Ash: Yeah.
Bret: It's dark it's a dark movie.
Pat: Yeah it's dark as a shadow.
Steven: And also I think take it and take it even a step further the man the most prison Arkham right where it's a prison for the criminally insane and not a treatment center right this man is now this normal man who no longer has the superpower that made him a threat is now locked up with like other crazy people who think they're this guy in that guy live out his days in a jail for insane people.
Steven: Just like as a normal day like oh yeah.
Steven: Yeah but if I.
Ash: I mean I wouldn't I don't know if I'd call him a normal dude.
Steven: But he's not.
Ash: He definitely has problems but he's not crazy.
Pat: He's also a liar cuz he's not the last he's not he's a liar he's not the Last Descendant of Genghis Khan's like 80f Mongolian males can trace their lineage specs.
Steven: Write a good percentage of the planet.
Pat: Well.
Steven: Why's it also felt like this movie in many more mean I counted cuz I pause I was like wait a minute okay to Shadow is back the movie after the opening scene we didn't get any Shadow like red mask hat for easily 50 minutes like almost an hour without your without your hero like on-screen swinging gunzos like around solving crimes and.
Ash: What was the point of.
Sam: Yeah.
Ash: The Prosthetics when he's the shadow.
Pat: Sonos.
Steven: No one knows what he looks like so why does he change the way he looks.
Ash: Yeah.
Ash: Yeah.
Ash: Cuz it was so weird the weird choice.
Pat: Right or wise put that scarf up over your face I want to talk about the face yes thank you I don't it's a disguise but it's also like you just could it will look so much cooler just to have that red like over his nose the red scarf.
Ash: Well he doesn't adhere to CDC mask standards so he can't he's got to have the snow sticking out.
Steven: He doesn't even know that that note the mask is ineffective he doesn't pull it up over his nose.
Pat: Willow Point is I don't and I looked for that I looked for that in the Wikipedia is I couldn't find anything at the referencing that in the original.
Pat: Like about the originals like show or the original.
Ash: Cuz it cuz if it was a radio play it's not like they'd be like and suddenly he looks completely different you know.
Pat: No that's cssd said in the radio they give him the power of invisibility cuz that like was easy right it's just like they can't see him don't go see him and then they had to come up with what he look like when they were doing the Pulp Comics and then they came up with the design for his costume.
Ash: We are at.
Pat: And as far as I could face changing I found no reference to that I could obviously could have been there so it's almost like that was just a decision they made to make him look more like the drawing like as a drawing cuz it's got the comic book cuz of drawing has a very pronounced.
Steven: I think yeah where he's got that very prominent nose yeah.
Ash: Yeah.
Pat: Yeah but that's cuz it's like it's like a comic book Rights was like exaggerated features and stuff and you want and what it's it's that's all I can think of it like that's such a choice to make why not just the outfit look kind of cool if it if he just had this like scarf covering his face.
Ash: Yeah it's a cool costume it's just it was just so distracting yeah.
Ash: Yeah.
Pat: Except for that yeah so imagine if they like the Red Scarf was like covering his nose and mouth completely and have a hat in the dark and then his eyes do that like glassy thing f****** cool and intimidating schnozz hanging out over it.
Ash: No.
Pat: He looks like Sam Eagle the Muppet.
Steven: It's not even a normal nose it's a prosthetic cartoonishly comically large like Groucho Marx.
Sam: Adidas.
Steven: When we made the fan film that I did I opted to put the mask over his nose cuz I thought it looked cooler and we got is there any Hay Day the early days of YouTube we did get commented like supposed to be under his nose and I was like.
Steven: On YouTube.
Steven: Oh yeah.
Ash: You got negative comments on YouTube oh my God.
Pat: Do not believe it that doesn't happen People series on the Internet or the nicest Souls.
Steven: Also kind and I'm there Anonymous screen names.
Ash: I will say though you know it's kind of going along this thread and what you said earlier Steve is like there are moments where Alec Baldwin looks f****** bad-ass and there's like really cool shots and like really cool like lighting choices and like oh here's the shadow being like cast against the wall or whatever and it's so.
Ash: Jarring and odd that we go from that to like really like.
Sam: Yeah.
Ash: Pinball machine rules with the room Affleck the things like pinballing around the hotel in like I don't it's so bizarre.
Ash: Yes.
Ash: Why.
Sam: What about the line where he crushes the warrior guy on top of the gargoyle and says next time you can be on top like.
Pat: Flakes.
Steven: In what is a conceptually a kids movie.
Sam: Yeah.
Pat: Okay.
Ash: Yeah.
Ash: Yeah.
Bret: That.
Steven: Right and then you have moments where like they you know they both fired bullets at the same time and then they flattened because they hit each other you know like it's a mismatch of so many parts in this film it seem like why are you you went you covered all the that's at least half of this movie is all the scenes you should have cut out in the script and unlike the other thing like in so many moments take Zig where they really should have zagged you're like no you still stayed at the restaurant.
Ash: Yeah his face.
Steven: Can you see that.
Bret: Yeah that bullet scene where the bullets hit each other with such a like it was cuz it was conceptually cool and the bad guy was anxious to get away as so he kept running but they can over to Alec Baldwin and you sitting there with his look on his face just like.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: First of all let me just tell you he's like all stoic and then he stops and he was first of all let me just tell you I'm going to stop you but like he just he just like completely breaks character and all of a sudden he's you know this like some wisecrack you're from New York.
Ash: That's true.
Pat: Thomas kind of like twin connoisseur to dress like if I was a kind of stuck with it like you like stealing his like he's biting his whole style and he's taking that and then but then he just doesn't feel like that one scene and goes back it's like no go with it like you're becoming get the haircut he's like I like your style.
Ash: Cuz I like the tie line.
Pat: Yeah.
Ash: Right.
Bret: Yeah it was great it was weird cuz I also really like but he was stealing his style and then all of his minions or just in the full armor.
Pat: Where did they come from.
Ash: I don't know I was I asked that exact question was like weirded.
Bret: Okay.
Sam: Oh.
Pat: He got here in the sarcophagus that's he snuck in unnoticed where.
Pat: Okay.
Bret: 5 right there because he owns that building for 6 years and installed a rotating pinball floor and like hypnotized the entire town of New York do you think he wasn't there already I don't know why he did this sarcophagus thing why did he do that he lived in the building downtown.
Ash: That's a good point.
Ash: Wow.
Steven: That's a very good question especially when you consider he's not an ancient will he said no he did say that he took the sarcophagus to absorb the power of the Ancients or whatever he did say that so I think that was part of some kind of ritual but he's.
Ash: Cuz that sounds like a real thing.
Ash: Right.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: Right but he's also a regular dude like he's not actually Genghis Khan Frozen for a thousand years he's just been woken up he said very people at the building we know that so like this dude grew up.
Pat: But it's.
Bret: Yeah yeah he's not gangis Khan he's like Jeff Khan like.
Steven: Right and he doesn't and that's why when he started biting a style I'm like wait a minute you seen clothes before like he's not he didn't comment you don't even like.
Steven: He's a contemporary hat.
Pat: Oh that's right it's like I forget I forget that he's like a contemporary he's not like been like if he was an ancient.
Steven: Gino's New York Rite.
Ash: Well he even says where'd you get that tie and he's like oh I wherever he's like oh on 27th and what act like he knows where the store is.
Pat: Yeah so that makes no sense s*** no cuz if it would totally work if he was like an ancient and he been asleep for like 30 000 years is like Oh I like that I'm going to get with the times I'm going to moderate up and it's like this thing.
Bret: Yeah.
Steven: Which leads to the greater question not just of where did the minions come from which we can assume they're all Bewitched or where do they get their wardrobe did he fly in.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: Accurate weapon reteach them sword work right like there's a so many implications because this is definitely that dude was like in his forties maybe like this is you know he's just a regular guy be hypnotized everybody and was like you know if he's sick if we all got matching jackets and pointy hats and fake mustaches.
Pat: Yes.
Bret: That we talked about this a little bit when we watched three ninjas and I don't remember who came up with the point I think it might have been Pat but it was you know sometimes the bad guy just has a thing that they're really into that you know and I was.
Ash: Pinball and old outfits.
Bret: Yeah just like.
Steven: What other function would that floor serve really though right like.
Steven: Skateboarding around like all Yogi cool.
Ash: Or like.
Steven: Get pinball floor.
Bret: It was a sex thing for sure it was like.
Pat: Oh I'll totally dulge an eccentric villain who's got like a little like a what sort of looking for just like a little Quirk or foible that they want to indulge in my golf I'm all for that but it was just all so I like how is one main minion was obviously a white guy.
Bret: Yes.
Ash: Yeah.
Pat: We seen him in style I've seen him and stuff to that guy.
Bret: He's like the bassist from System of a Down or whatever that guy.
Steven: Just.
Pat: Nils Allen Stewart.
Bret: It's out.
Pat: Yeah.
Bret: I mean if we're talking about the things that don't quite line up the one that really stuck out for me was.
Bret: They go on their date at the beginning of the movie and then he needs.
Bret: Sana Sana Khan and then.
Bret: And then they then there's another date where they're eating dinner together for 5 minutes and then something later in the movie Son of God finds out about the date and my his connection to this girl I don't know how he found out about it cuz there's nothing that tied them together outside of that five minutes if they had dinner.
Ash: I don't know but it was tying them together I just assumed she was the daughter of the scientists he kidnapped and so that was his reason for sending her I don't know.
Bret: Okay button bigger questions cuz go kill go kill the shadow why would you think that would have any chance of success unless she already knew who the shadow was unless.
Steven: I thought that's why that's why he sent her because she knew he's the shadow like maybe I guess you would have.
Ash: But she didn't seem to realize it until he snapped her out of it and she's like wait I'm here because you're the shadow you're the only one here like it was until that moment that she realize he was the shadow but I guess you could make an argument that they had some sort of weird mental connection.
Ash: But I don't.
Steven: And they're all reading each other's minds.
Ash: I guess but I don't know how con would like.
Ash: Good question.
Bret: Almond butter so could she not have her mind be red or could she have her cuz he was like kind of my controller and he couldn't but the other guy could but.
Ash: Yeah.
Bret: I'm not really asking these questions he has his bad writing but.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: The answer is Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the Crystal Skull I mean it's like you know what I mean he got the check he took the notes he just did them without questioning in the slightest as like yeah man pinball floor or whatever to do some cocaine will type it up don't worry about a second like screw it.
Pat: It hurts my soul.
Steven: Play the vacuum sealed.
Ash: I mean there's even a scene where it's like this is not how water works like the whole there's like the bullet holes and it should be water spray paint out of this hole but it's just like dripping slightly even though the waters like way past the hole and he's like oh I can breathe through this whole time just like this isn't how this works.
Bret: Yes I was like there's no way he could have stopped that with his mouth and I was like maybe he's just got real strong ass lips like.
Pat: Athletics.
Steven: But it really should have been spraying out before you're 100.
Ash: I mean there's even other holes that are spraying the water out for some reason this one isn't it doesn't make any sense.
Bret: What was the big water or broom.
Pat: That's where he makes his beryllium sphere which.
Steven: That's where he makes his beryllium sphere SA.
Steven: Are they all in it.
Ash: I assumed it was the sphere like which I think would have been more interesting cuz he's like where is the sphere and I expected Tim Curry to be like you're in it and like turn the water on and yeah.
Ash: But now.
Sam: What person designs their water thing with the shut off and on valve inside the water tank.
Bret: At the bottom.
Ash: Bad writers.
Steven: Easy.
Pat: No he knew he was going to turn bad Tim Curry's character and he's like I may have to trap the hero in here this is my out so it doesn't really make sense man his character have so much fun with my rewrite of this two of what I have solutions for everything I feel like I got it I'm retired altogether was crazy though is I feel like you can see.
Pat: Is how much this movie or this character predates Batman.
Pat: And Superman Wonder Woman so you can see how much of the groundwork for super archetypes was laid by this with the hidden Lair with like the network of allies and Sidekicks he's got a little bat cave is Library Batcave which came before Batman even Bob Kane crater Batman has cited as a major influences like getting a s*** you pretty much just like.
Bret: This was before Superman.
Bret: Well.
Sam: This is before Superman really.
Sam: Wow.
Pat: Ignite.
Steven: As it was in the house when this come out when is the character first appear.
Pat: I'd like knife-like 1930-and Superman's first appearance was like 1938.
Steven: 38 yeah cuz I think he's.
Pat: Yet the shadow debuted July 31st 1930.
Bret: That's why I'll.
Steven: I believe the shadow is supposed to because you can always see like with the pulp and comic comic newspaper comic heroes they all feel like they've grown out of whether it's Greek mythology like Superman is based on like a strong man you know from like the circus days so you really feel like the shadow is kind of like that Lone Ranger like modern-day Gunslinger type you know between the band Urban environment you know which is what makes the Phantom fun cuz he's dressed in purple and he's got you know two guns and he's like rope swinging through New York City.
Pat: I want to do that movie for the I love but will be a bigger it's not good but I loved it I want to do that movie so bad.
Pat: Yeah yeah.
Steven: The Phantom's got some realize I'm really solid female characters in it too because a female lead and female we watch that one recently cuz I got like the female pirate plane no pirate Pirates Pirate pirates pirates there female bad pilots and they fly by planes and stuff if that's for sure.
Steven: And Billy.
Pat: Battison they're villains they're good Pilots they're good at piloting their skills.
Steven: Are good at piloting yes.
Pat: Let's do lion TV.
Bret: Alright.
Pat: So see if I'm going to say 3 facts about this movie one of them is b******* that I made up.
Ash: You have to guess which one.
Pat: Yeah.
Pat: Fact? Number one the only reason Tim Curry did this movie was cuz he wanted to work with sir Ian McKellen.
Pat: 2.
Pat: There are publications of.
Pat: This work and other works that tie the character Margo Lane is the main.
Pat: Female lead in this cuz your last name is Lane and there are multiple fieldworks Publix sorry I'm talking too fast published works of the Shadow and Tarzan and Superman that reference her being Lois Lane's sister.
Ash: Interesting.
Pat: And then three as part of the multi-faceted marketing initiative a movie with Michael Keaton as Batman was planned but was scrapped after the lackluster financial performance of this.
Bret: Interesting.
Ash: What was the first one again.
Steven: I have hope that last ones.
Pat: That the only reason Tim Curry did this movie was to work with Ian McKellen.
Ash: Hugo.
Steven: Was Ian McKellen as famous as he is now I mean not now but as soon as he's become recently then I know.
Ash: Yeah he's an actor's actor.
Pat: I think he I think he was like actor famous like actors were all but like knew we wasn't big fans of him.
Bret: I think this he is done a lot of stuff I think he was my guess is if you ever seen Tim Curry's IMDb you would know he says yes to everything that's my guess is I think Tim Curry just said yes because he's been.
Ash: Okay I'm guessing the Batman 1.
Sam: I'm guessing Lois Lane.
Ash: Oh wow okay.
Steven: That would be my my guess is well okay well choice.
Bret: Full spread.
Pat: And see what was yours.
Steven: My eyes are my guess was ashes as well it's the Batman 1.
Ash: Yeah.
Bret: Alright.
Ash: Wow.
Pat: Steven Asher ride I made it the Batman crossover yes there are published references in multiple works that reference Margo Lane being Lois Lane sister and to Tim Curry that even counting.
Bret: Okay.
Pat: Those are real.
Steven: I didn't realize he was that Discerning good for you Tim Curry.
Ash: Alright let's ask Tim Curry to be in there.
Pat: I'm saying there's the elements.
Sam: I do have to say that the costuming was pretty awesome in this like Margo's yeah Marcos dresses were fantastic.
Steven: Amino City shots look great.
Bret: Oh yeah.
Sam: Yeah I'd like so many backgrounds were matte paintings and it you could tell but it worked it was really cool looking it had a good Style.
Ash: I mean that.
Pat: I was thinking of you saying during those moments supposed to say I would like those backgrounds.
Sam: Yes.
Steven: Near the painted Bridge just stopped 10 ft behind them and then it's just perspective but it matches so perfectly.
Sam: Yeah that was ridiculous.
Ash: Yeah and you can tell they just move they just move the car to the other side for the reverse you know it's like the same it's the same background we just flipped the car around and I mean like the whole the whole like letter in a tube sequence was like it was ridiculous but it was like.
Ash: Stylistically it was like this is a really interesting style that doesn't fit the whole rest of the movie but like you know it feels it's got this like almost all Mele style to it you know like this quirkiness or the what's the one we watched for New Year's.
Bret: But as Sam was saying it's Tim Burton e also their plans to Mike kind of music over that.
Pat: New Year's blank check.
Sam: No no.
Ash: No no I was thinking it's for the kids you know.
Sam: Yeah yeah I can't think of.
Bret: Yeah you know for kids f****** the hudsucker proxy.
Sam: At soccer practice.
Pat: Oh.
Bret: I could see that.
Ash: You know for kids yes it felt sort of hudsucker proxy to me or it's like kind of Corky and yeah.
Bret: Bathtub system relied on a lot of unchanging buildings and infrastructure in that town.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: And people not asking question in the slightest right like now I'm being like.
Ash: Yeah.
Sam: Yeah.
Bret: Over sure.
Bret: Absolutely.
Steven: You can build it.
Bret: The city planner.
Pat: Everything that Cannon is once he gets it a light so the shadow wants he acquires another Force Ally he extends his pneumatic tube system until wherever they work or live and he's already throughout the city and he's like all right so the builders will be by sum of the first the first allies he Force recruited were construction workers so that he could build out his system.
Ash: My initial thought was like well this would be entirely unnecessary if he just had cell phones like this has to take place in this time.
Bret: Okay but yeah you're going to say what I'm going to say.
Ash: That's true.
Steven: You got a video file yes he does.
Pat: He had the technology he's got the video call thing with the guy yeah.
Ash: Only has one guy though.
Bret: And a pager ring.
Ash: Oh yeah.
Sam: Yeah and the secret letter deliver person.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: Oh yeah that's that's.
Pat: Is very inefficient to many different.
Sam: Couldn't couldn't they not just like telegram each other like.
Steven: That strikes me as they like someone trying to jam everything from like the comics and like okay will do the pager ring even though it does totally break the rules of 301 and you use it he just use the one why can't they all have blank.
Steven: Manganese badass rings.
Pat: Also the jeweler's got to be one of his out for stylus to write who's making those Rings cuz otherwise it's like why do you keep buying the same ring from me like over and over like every other day.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: My real question is why do you need the ring if you know the passcode isn't the ring so much more obvious like if everyone all of his Heroes the heat like all right we're good like they just hold up the ring you know like in theory.
Pat: Two-factor authentication Steve.
Ash: Or why does he need the ring if he can like telepathy.
Steven: Right right you got the ring but do you know the code but ya couldn't you just know the code like when that Baeza visit.
Ash: But also like can't he just to leprosy into people's brains and talk to them that way why why Amy of it.
Sam: Do I think he could.
Sam: Yeah.
Ash: Oh that's true.
Sam: He could only do it.
Ash: No.
Steven: If you're talking to each other right like on behalf of the Shadow right which we never which we never saw.
Sam: Yeah he could only do it with the chick because she could read his thoughts and they had like a special connection right.
Sam: Margo.
Ash: No he can totally.
Steven: He knows he knows what year.
Sam: Yeah.
Pat: I think so she was he's not psychic she is she can read his thoughts he can he can he can he can just control like mind control but he can't read saws.
Pat: Oh.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: No yeah the shadow knows cuz he he wasn't surprised when he knew yeah he wasn't surprised when he knew her dinner order because that's something he normally does right he's a go I was just thinking I was going to have Peking duck she's like me to know he's.
Pat: Oh okay.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: He has the ability to see their thoughts and stuff.
Sam: Oh I thought he just like Inception her to like want that for dinner.
Bret: Yeah I thought he was mine controlling her a little bit for the whole scene was like.
Steven: I hope.
Ash: I thought he was just being every guy on a first date at my right.
Bret: Like 10 minutes ago ten minutes ago he ordered a bottle of wine and then saw it coming and then went over there and be like there's like you want this wine like.
Ash: Yeah that would be awful.
Steven: You want this line that is so much worse than what I thought I hope I'm I hope you're wrong.
Bret: I mean that's what I had to have happened because why doesn't just appear.
Pat: Guys the Shadows problematic cuz any of those dresses from.
Ash: 44 minutes in.
Bret: Newsflash water is wet.
Bret: He does not.
Steven: It's like a trading system.
Ash: Take address leave address take address leaving grounds.
Ash: Yeah.
Pat: Hear those dresses why does he have all those dresses even put hold on even if he has many consenting women Partners come over why do they have the dresses at his place where do they where do they wear other dresses and they leave the dress they were in kids.
Steven: This belongs to my pants anyway it's the size of a nano young woman.
Bret: So you don't think he just kills them.
Ash: She even has that comment she's like oh she kept her figure it's like yeah.
Pat: The only.
Bret: Tell me thinking you just murders the ladies like he's an American Psycho guy.
Ash: Wait so he's the yeah he's the Noir American Psycho.
Pat: I love Peter Boyle.
Ash: Why don't you stay and one of my many guest Rose.
Bret: I mean when he finally realizes that that hotel hadn't been knocked down and it was there the whole time he's not just like that dastardly villain he's like like like it's f****** embossed like he has outfits is 100.
Sam: Absolutely like he actually did it the whole city.
Bret: Yeah.
Pat: You all like the business card scene but with his lair like his his lair is his lair better than my.
Pat: Pizzicato pinball.
Steven: Why did I.
Ash: Alright.
Steven: The counter.
Ash: Yes a hundred percent.
Steven: Comparing layers.
Pat: Oh that's ask that's a scared or ask it and villains comparing like layers but in this I like American Psycho Style.
Sam: Cribs.
Pat: Curves.
Ash: Or even like what's feel like MTV Welcome to My Crib thing but like Chris villain.
Steven: Cribs MTV Cribs MTV layers.
Ash: This is great.
Sam: This you guys need to submit these two Robot Chicken.
Ash: Yeah.
Bret: For sure.
Steven: The only counter to all of the wild logical inconsistencies that followed the script is that I think everybody else worked really hard on this movie cuz those models look really good the matte paintings look good like you're saying the Wardrobe is great I mean even the shadow gags where you literally see his silhouette like those are like there.
Bret: Oh yeah.
Pat: Yeah I like that wouldn't when like the shadow gets pinned to the wall with the daggers needs like step out of it to get free it's all the pieces were there.
Ash: Yeah.
Pat: They're all there they were just assembled shittily.
Bret: One of my favorite moments.
Steven: SI call dressing and no structure right like the house was painted well and like they cut the grass but it's like f***** up it's like slanted and doesn't have none of that water runs right Scott five bathrooms but you can't turn the faucets like it's the.
Ash: Yeah.
Bret: Yeah it wasn't even the scene where he dips into the dark alley to escape being tailed and it's just a simple like they turn the lights off and you can't see him but like they made it work as a shadow thing cuz it was the only time he was actively trying to I'm sneaking around doing some Detective.
Ash: Yeah even like the lighting would sometimes be like but then the rest of the film it was like normal lighting.
Ash: Oh yeah.
Steven: Damn it we didn't spend all that time doing her hair so she could be in silhouette.
Pat: Play one aspect that wasn't great on production was.
Ash: Oh just one.
Sam: Oh.
Pat: Conn's beard hautboy that's fake.
Ash: Oh boy yeah.
Steven: All over the place that I mean that yeah the hair I would say the hair left a lot to be desired all the fake beards the foo Manchu mustaches or like so many reasons why this is not working.
Pat: The more I did I never even put that together I'm sober brother love cuz it's to middle-ground of him was like wait he is a contemporary person that makes no sense he should be all in one way or the other like if he's contemporary and he's from New York or something he should be slick from the beginning of the yeah I'm a descendant of rings I'm going to fulfill his legacy but looking like this right and like looking badass and using.
Pat: The power isn't everything but or he's like I've been asleep or you three thousand years.
Pat: Now I'm back and yeah it's just.
Ash: We have like an Encino Man moment.
Ash: Yeah.
Pat: Yeah but either or just it just as so you can point out given this that it's so weird that he's like I know the city I'm like a modern person but I'm sometimes going to act like.
Ash: But he's not.
Pat: I haven't been.
Pat: Yeah.
Pat: Yeah.
Steven: Confused and surprised about the world just cuz he lives in Vegas cuz he came from China or whatever cuz he's supposed to be from.
Steven: Recent like you said.
Pat: Great I love you like that.
Ash: And sometimes he's going to match his outfit to the tile and he's going to lay on the ground just because just because listen the shot was fuckingawesome but it made Cirrus SR20.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: But he's just sitting there waiting right is that y'all what you guys are watching.
Pat: Vet.
Steven: That's like the most baller s*** ever though right you do you like this jacket matches my floor.
Ash: You know he had them like straighten it out like a bridal train for him on TV later.
Pat: But that is one of my favorite.
Ash: Yeah absolutely.
Steven: That's a like rapper that's like some rap or s*** though really to be like I got this jacket that matches that's like sometime Haverford I got this jacket it matches my floor and this hat matches the walls.
Ash: Yes exactly.
Ash: Chilling.
Pat: What you're doing now is one of my favorite mental exercises with stuff like the villains like imagine the moments leading up to this moment that were singing like to Stage this like dramatic moment or stance like how long were they sitting there when they like waiting for the hero like clapping their hands like like.
Steven: You're sitting in that chair right just sitting in the chair waiting for the hero to show up before you could spin around.
Sam: Can you imagine the meeting with the Taylor weight you want to you want a suit that what.
Sam: Where is it.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: Who goes first though did he bring the tile to the tailor or does he bring the the jacket to the architect.
Steven: You know Isaac I want this.
Sam: I think the building gets filled first and he brings the tailor to the building.
Bret: I like the thought that they built a building around the.
Ash: That super baller right there.
Steven: Right I love the jacket someone's I got my floor made out of it you know it's crazy while they were doing it I had to put a pinball thing while you're down there you might as well you know but like a lover in it and you know.
Ash: I had them put an air shocks airbags in my floor so that I would bounce around you know like a LED sled.
Ash: Just a little.
Pat: All the way from Italy fall through the floor a little bit to get you off a little bit like.
Steven: I think there's a world in which he flips the wrong switch and a disco ball comes down in like Dave Matthews start playing and it's just like a roller you know when all the guys in their Suits come out with escape and they're like oh s*** or we.
Steven: I thought it was just like.
Ash: I thought it was Friday night.
Pat: Workshop print.
Steven: I thought I was a roller derby night.
Bret: What could it possibly have been that has to be it right like a roller derby or something it's because like why else would you build the giant like lazy Angus or whatever.
Ash: I don't know.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: Or is it maybe it's like you're that thing that special thing you have in your house that's only for guests you know like you know we have a champagne we have a champagne sword here at the house you know you can use it until like slice the top of a champagne bottle off of it makes a mess elude champagne let's get the champagne sword will be gangster maybe it's just like when people come over like.
Pat: I totally.
Pat: Yeah.
Ash: Well now I really want to come over to your house see because I do want to see the champagne sword yes absolutely.
Steven: It's extremely wasteful and awesome.
Pat: That's a little more baller than my my I think if we had anything like that here at like I've got some really nice would like boards for like charcuterie and cheese that I only use of people are over otherwise I'm just leaving it on The Cutting Board I like to make.
Steven: Teach yourself put it on a board.
Ash: Pat you need to treat yourself you deserve to use.
Pat: I do I make like a cheese and charcuterie board like every 3 days probably I love it.
Ash: But not on the fancy board you're a fancy boy.
Steven: Use the fancy board.
Pat: I should use the fancy board I should use the fancy board.
Ash: Does he do it on the baby.
Sam: You know what Brett's version of that is it's not really yours but it's no it's the the Sham bong that he bought his best friend.
Ash: Excuse me.
Sam: Beer bong the champagne.
Bret: Achampong is the worst thing it's it's a it's a champagne flute but then the stem comes off of it down and then at a 90-degree angle and it's actually Halo.
Steven: I thought.
Ash: Oh okay okay yeah I was too.
Pat: Oh I think another Bond I was like when you smoke it.
Ash: Haha yeah.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: It's a sham funnel I think is what that is it's not a sham banga Shang Bond would be for for smoking things that's a sham funnel.
Pat: Well knock is a beer bong is.
Steven: Oh okay that's very.
Pat: Yeah yeah.
Bret: But it's like you feel it and then you anyway it's it's horrible.
Sam: But.
Steven: You're not using that home alone you just.
Bret: But it's only fair when when.
Ash: Only when you want to get crunk on champagne with your guess.
Bret: Dan something.
Sam: Slept through all that movie and doesn't know what to contribute.
Bret: Okay.
Steven: He also finds the Asian characters representation problematic.
Sam: Yeah uh-huh.
Ash: Yeah.
Bret: Tell me more.
Steven: Now you know whether.
Ash: I mean they definitely they definitely dubbed over to coup right the guy in the beginning.
Pat: Calculator.
Sam: Goku.
Ash: Toto yeah.
Pat: The guy gave him the powers.
Ash: Yes.
Steven: Will the kid who is out like an adult yeah.
Bret: I'm surprised you guys caught anyone's name in this movie cuz I feel like they all got said once and then never came back to it.
Pat: I mean the Toca was that is going to come through this put on the screen but like.
Pat: So are we to believe that con.
Pat: It was on the screen.
Bret: What the name was on Skateway do we have subtitles.
Ash: I don't mean it like you no put you on blast Brett but it was that a couple times.
Pat: No no when they did the one time they put words on the screen at the beginning.
Sam: Yeah.
Bret: I must have looked away at that moment.
Steven: Oh yeah cuz he said yeah they called him that's all talk or whatever they call them.
Pat: I guess I just you know.
Steven: It was now you understand why the first 5 minutes of the movie.
Pat: Was being more respectful than you.
Steven: What.
Ash: Absolutely the first 5 minutes of the movie where the worst 5 minutes the movie.
Pat: Yeah.
Steven: I was like oh oh No and then he leans forward and you got the nails and the hair and I was like you know guys I think this is a treasure that should stay buried and I've turned it off like now I can't get this time I was glad to revisit everything but the first time I was like this.
Ash: We.
Bret: Did they give us enough of an explanation for why he specifically was the guy that was there with the nails like.
Ash: No I don't think so.
Pat: No after the after the war but yes.
Steven: Something after the war I did they say like you disappeared after the war.
Steven: And became a drug lord.
Ash: But he disappeared for seven years and became a crazy man.
Bret: Wow.
Pat: Which if he is one of those times one of those few times when tell again tell not show would have been better where he had this like really like honest moment and he was like I saw some things that were just like god-awful in the war and I just had to leave and I traveled at try to get as far away from home is humanly possible and then I kind of fell into this while just trying to survive and then before I knew it.
Pat: I just was really good at it I do my fighting is really good at fighting and then before I knew it I kind of lost myself in that and then I was leading a whole f****** organization of like.
Pat: Drug people cartel.
Sam: Are you.
Bret: Tisha McStuffin station told animetal the stuff that they.
Steven: Hundred percent.
Ash: Yeah.
Sam: Yeah your savior say this movie is so bad that they showed it so poorly that it would have been better if they'd just said it.
Steven: Is the one-time the audience has politely requested Mercy please make this exposition.
Ash: Yeah.
Bret: Like MMA MMA skip over the whole getting magic powers part and instead gave us like a 3-minute long mail to.
Pat: Has powers now.
Sam: Is that what he calls his dick.
Steven: But I'm saying this movie consistently you kept in the parts that I would have cut from that first draft and then left out all the s*** that like like you're saying why the hell do we see him get the powers we don't need to see him with a cup now what is this.
Ash: God.
Sam: Oh my gosh.
Pat: Okay I'm surprised I'm gone this long and haven't brought this up I went how we feeling about the the living dagger or dagger baby.
Bret: Everyone girl did everyone hate tiger baby I love tiger baby.
Ash: Oh my God.
Steven: He had to learn to control dagger baby by.
Steven: Wanting it more.
Ash: Bye.
Bret: He became the one he.
Pat: By letting go he had to let go he had to gain control by letting go.
Bret: Doesn't exactly the same as the last episode of the show he he became meow at he was the one he suddenly could control the flying baby nice he could stop the mirror explode the hallway against agent Smith he stopped the bullet shot mirror shards the bad guy.
Ash: I thought that was already established.
Steven: Lada.
Ash: They're just successful.
Bret: But it's just surprising everytime I see like an iconic moments from a movie that not that long ago I am I feel like a lot of people or like it's the first time any of that was on screen and it's like actually know everyone beat them to it they said I was just like a really good accumulation of really cool stuff they'd seen.
Ash: Okay so I am dying to know though what is the reason your girlfriend won't watch this phone.
Steven: I can ask her Amy they want to know why you didn't want to watch The Shadow.
Steven: Well I guess I don't really know much about it but I am not inclined to watch witness that made the 90s like old.
Steven: Potentially very bad 90s movies are not my jam.
Sam: Fair.
Bret: That's totally understandable yet that's avoid this whole show.
Ash: Welcome to the podcast avoid at all cost understandable.
Pat: Hello.
Pat: Intubate.
Bret: In Tibet.
Pat: Yeah.
Steven: Hi the movie opens with Alec Baldwin with long scraggly hair and Coke Nails as a drug lord and really dead and it just goes downhill from there.
Ash: Yeah you know what it was great he really really you shouldn't rush.
Bret: It was a it was a nightmare.
Steven: They.
Pat: We all agreed that scene was key.
Steven: I like Alec Baldwin.
Steven: You would have got to watch and rip his own face off.
Bret: Not after this.
Steven: Yeah mister good time if you listen you can hear us talking about all the reasons why you should have watched the film the last 20 minutes of the movie and knew I didn't need to watch it.
Ash: Smart smart you hold onto that because she's a smart one.
Steven: She does have a good pick whatever we we got part of the way through the Phantom and then Amy bailed on that one as well.
Steven: Sometimes there are some that I see then the real gems and I love them unexpectedly.
Bret: Yeah.
Ash: Yeah.
Steven: Other times it's painful.
Pat: Have you heard of have you ever seen Surf Ninjas.
Bret: They seem to be fewer and farther between lightly on our show but yes no.
Ash: Oh God no stop stop.
Ash: No.
Steven: Surf Ninjas now we can watch Surf Ninjas tonight.
Pat: Ninjas Cruise surf.
Ash: No Amy Ryan Amy Rose.
Ash: God.
Steven: It's like Point Break meets 3 Ninjas.
Pat: But like amazing.
Steven: There aren't that many good.
Pat: Volume it was a perfect movie.
Ash: Oh yeah.
Steven: They got will watch that tonight instead of the good thing you wanted to watch.
Bret: Alright my sweet Mia.
Steven: Alright carry-on good to see you all.
Bret: Hi let's wrap this thing up.
Ash: Alright.
Steven: What's that go on for three more hours.
Pat: Well let's.
Steven: That's okay well we watch The Shadow for her tonight and we'll I'll put it on.
Ash: You I mean if you can watch that movie two times in a row wow wow.
Ash: Tribute.
Steven: I appreciate that fill more than I like it is what I say.
Ash: Yes that's a good so love it?.
Sam: Love is a strong word.
Pat: That love it.
Ash: Okay good okay good okay good because I was worried.
Ash: Yes.
Bret: I can ask to do my wrap up pretty quick here is that.
Bret: Everything you guys are saying about how like Pat Evans your steak was was spot-on about a it had all the pieces to be good but didn't quite make it.
Bret: I feel like the case if you're listening your show is the best opportunity for this movie to shine because my rewrite of this was at the beginning I was so so certain that the sarcophagus was going to open and Genghis Khan was going to be a vampire and I was going to be so excited about.
Ash: I like it.
Pat: Oh.
Steven: Shadow got silver bullets and he's just and all those guys are vampires and he should f****** s*** up.
Ash: Oh I love it I love it.
Steven: It's like 1940s blade come on.
Sam: Yes.
Pat: One of his omigod omigod.
Ash: Yes.
Bret: How f****** dope with that be.
Steven: Right 1940s played killing gangis Khan you know vampire and all his minions are like a mortal or whatever like they're all resurrected variations.
Ash: Lovett Lovett.
Ash: Yeah.
Pat: I mean why don't we all make that.
Steven: They've got no reflection he's got no Shadow like it's you know.
Pat: Tmtmts.
Steven: I'll remove it.
Ash: Cut that all out and save it.
Steven: The shadow vampire Hunter.
Pat: Yeah I want to make the remake of this cuz I have till I get so many ideas all I did I kept having to rewind a couple the 15 seconds back cuz I miss stuff and I was like oh wait I should have done this way they should have done this but.
Pat: Yeah it's just it's just it's almost disappointing cuz I was like this could have been actually really really pretty dang good and it was just like damn just so much unused potential but good fodder for conversation and I did enjoy watching it cuz I always enjoy having my brain poked and prodded and motivated and stimuli like that so.
Bret: Stimulating.
Ash: No go ahead.
Steven: I hope I'm glad you go ahead and I'm glad you liked it well I'm glad we got to watch it through this pain modern lens I think I appreciated it as a concept and a trailer more so like a pitch like this strikes me as a pitch that like they pushed it in the room and your life would be great and the second they started to flush it out there like all know or they started a potential where they just like took a bunch of either obvious or safe choices or incongruent choices that don't match and jam them together and I think if the good parts of the film where as if the bad parts of the film or at least as good as the good or mediocre parts of the film the whole thing would be way better but if so uneven that it kind of like.
Steven: State parks don't make up for the bad parts but I appreciate it conceptually in the Artistry I think his makes it worth of Ewing if not a serious all in one sitting.
Bret: Fisher.
Ash: Yeah yeah totally I yeah I didn't like it but.
Sam: Crime do you take that back.
Pat: How dare you.
Ash: I kind of went in with super low exit expectations and it wasn't as terrible as I thought it would be it's like slightly above as terrible as I thought it would be actually liked it more than Mortal Kombat which reaches watched recently know I.
Steven: Plague upon my childhood.
Pat: Challenge challenge I challenge.
Pat: That's the rules of order except.
Ash: It's just there's so much bad accident Mortal Kombat and at least there was only one bad actress in this what.
Ash: Yeah.
Bret: There is definitely one worst actress in this one but it didn't you.
Steven: The worst actress was a very bad actress I'll give you at least surprisingly bad considering.
Ash: Yes so bad that she made everyone else look better yeah it's just I mean everything Steve said is accurate like it just totally was all over the place I just feel like I'm going to say the same thing so yeah it's not not a fan won't watch it again but really cool shot choices sometimes a really cool set-pieces a really cool costumes you know like there's.
Ash: There's definitely elements that you see that are like oh this could have been cool but I don't know how anybody read the script and said yes I will be in this fill.
Bret: It's it's a movie that you could learn from.
Ash: Yes there you go.
Steven: Yeah a very good vampire hunting film sequel remake reboot prequel I don't know.
Bret: Regal.
Ash: Requal.
Sam: Yeah I love it yeah.
Steven: Yeah you know what are equal is right.
Ash: No.
Steven: Rico is like the force awakens that's where you make a sequel that's also a reboot but basically rehashes the films like the force awakens is.
Pat: Just like repainting the legs.
Ash: Oh okay.
Bret: I like it.
Steven: Yeah so are equal yeah so it's like they want to reboot Star Trek Star Wars but they want to keep all the original characters they get new characters to do the same s*** as the old characters so it's technically a new Star Wars but it's the same plot as a new hope so that's a remake but it's also a sequel Switzer equal.
Bret: Stephanie one.
Sam: Yeah.
Steven: That's a technical term next time you see one you'll throw up in your mouth because they're everywhere.
Ash: Oh s*** yeah.
Ash: That was cool.
Bret: Disturbed.
Sam: Yeah was this a good movie no I didn't have a good plot that you do made sense know you have a good script good acting did it have good art did it have amazing costumes and I will argue that that creepy face peeling special effect was pretty Flippin fantastic like that looked so good.
Sam: Yeah.
Steven: And a kid movie.
Pat: Technically yes I agree with you like from a technical standpoint.
Sam: Yes.
Bret: Black hole in his face and he sticks his finger in his.
Steven: And it's definitely him it's not even like a mass that's like Alec Baldwin as finger and say yeah oh yeah good call.
Sam: Yeah yeah so affect like good that the rest of the digital effects were great but I appreciated that practical effect and that's about as far as my love for this goes I'm having trouble seeing the potential of a rewrite I don't know I feel like the rewrite is Batman and Marvel and they do it much better so I don't know.
Pat: Challenge accepted.
Ash: Arrigo fat Sonic.
Sam: Okay if anyone can do it it's you Pat.
Pat: All pages of pages on your desk in the morning.
Sam: Excellent.
Steven: I'll be turning into that podcast.
Bret: Well that was the shadow tell our listeners where they find a socially and or movie visually and or anything else you want to plug.
Steven: I don't know what any of those words meant but I am on Instagram at Stephen the more day and you can check out my website Steven la morte. Com.
Sam: We wanted to ask you what is your Ben Affleck project if you can talk about it.
Ash: Oh.
Steven: Oh sure it was I can it was a promo for a tech company called OWC and they wanted to probe a profile like I do a lot of company work with them and they wanted to profile super users who use their you know their Solutions right there hard drives their rage and stuff and so I have been using a lot of OWC products to work remotely for his company Pearl Street Salem.
Bret: Waco.
Sam: Very cool.
Ash: That's so cool.
Pat: Ice.
Steven: I said dude you got an awesome that batphone he has a combat zone on his on his desk from the original 1960 series.
Bret: That's rad.
Sam: Alright Ralph.
Ash: That's so cool you can also follow us we are at let's re-watch on Twitter and we do fun things like movie pools where you can pick the movie or I will tweet a still from the movie and you guys get to guess what movie were watching and I honestly thought this one was going to be really hard I thought nobody was going to get it and Ralph got it from downtown right away good shop Ralph.
Ash: So congratulations Ralph Mitch said that Ralph beat him to it.
Ash: Mitch.
Bret: Dang it Mitch Mitch van behind not get knocked off the top of the leaderboard Mitch moving down the number to Ralph's number one.
Pat: Start keeping score.
Sam: Will give Metro pass cuz he's planning his wedding.
Bret: There's only two slots.
Sam: Also he got a promotion.
Ash: Yeah.
Pat: Something someone could come up as we grow the show at send me someone could come Dark Horse Challenger could rise up.
Ash: Who was the last time someone named Chris that we didn't know right.
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Pat: Yeah.
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Bret: Except for case.
Pat: Come hang out okay sporcu case I love you.
Ash: I love you case.
Bret: All right and that is the show please join us next time when we watch bacon Grabbers.
Pat: Did you make a movie about me.
Ash: Nailed it.